New definition of unlucky = turning up to a race and seeing Peter Sagan's name on the start list.

Sagan v Cav at the tour could be very interesting.

Would have liked to see Sagan have a crack at the overall though. He can climb and that would have been interesting

how good is sagan in the mountains ?

is he a serious contender ?

'the boys' were suggesting that he might need to lose weight and change his training regime before he could be a grand tour contender...........I suppose similar to Wiggo

he's only young but he's won a stage in Paris Nice that had a few climbs in it. He's not a GC contender yet but i'd like to see him have a proper go at a week long race to see where he is

...scratch that.

Not sure if this is better for the tour. Andy had to attack as he can't TT. Not sure we will get the same explosive attacks from Wiggo or Evans, although cuddles is a bit more exciting since his world champs win

If Radioshack survive until the Tour, it might give Frank a freer hand to attack now that Andy is out.

David Millar has been called up for the Olympic squad..........

Decisive stage of the TdSuisse today with better recorded coverage of the stage than the pitiful 4.5km last night.

Are we starting a separate Tour thread? Otherwise, I think this one needs an amended title.

The bookies have got it down as a Evans v Wiggins ITT play-off with everyone else ranked as outsiders.

If most people agree to an amended title , i have no problem in changing it.

Mark Cavendish has won the Ster ZLM Toer

Yeah, it's been a bit rubbish the last couple of weeks with ES not showing any live coverage of the last couple of days of the Dauphine or the Tour de Suisse

At least there's decent highlights tonight.............the ES1 highlights clash with the football but ES2 has them scheduled for 5.30

Ideally we'd stay here for the Tour but you know full well that other threads will be started...........I suppose we could have a gentlemans agreement amongst the 'regulars' to stay here and maybe post links to this thead in the newbie threads ?

Talking about the thread title............I've just noticed it say 'tread' not 'thread'..........oh well, it's only been here for 6 months...............

Without winning a stage either!

Cav and Wiggo battling for yellow in the tour?

Have Sky named their team for the tour yet ?

Cav's got no chance unless he's suddenly able to climb.

Have you not read Jens Voigts tweets about Cav tearing up the climbs recently?

More here

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...-ZLM-Toer.html

According to this, he is targetting the Green Jersey and the Olympics more than individual sprint stage wins.

I didn't know Jens was on Twitter. Have you got the link?

https://twitter.com/#!/thejensie

Well now we know what the SKY team is for the Tour:

Bradley Wiggins
Edvald Boasson Hagen
Mark Cavendish
Bernhard Eisel
Chris Froome
Christian Knees
Richie Porte
Michael Rogers
Kanstantsin Siutsou

looks a good strong team...........

Vacansoleil-DCM team:

Kenny van Hummel
Johnny Hoogerland
Wout Poels
Rob Ruijgh
Lieuwe Westra
Kris Boeckmans
Gustav Larsson
Marco Marcato
Rafael Valls

BMC:

Marcus Burghardt
Steve Cummings
Cadel Evans
Philippe Gilbert
George Hincapie
Amaël Moinard
Manuel Quinziato
Michael Schär
Tejay van Garderen