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The Pro Cycling Thread
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swingaleg
03-07-2012
One of the Sky riders looks to have come off worst - he tried to get up but couldn't and is still on the floor...........it's Sitsov

Meanwhile Sagan had a puncture and slipped backwards.......he's coming back through the cars on his own.......where's his team-mates ?.........he's got back !
swingaleg
03-07-2012
Originally Posted by TheFridge:
“If that Sky rider is to injured to carry on in the tour are Sky allowed to replace him ?”

No..............it's tough luck, you carry on with one less in the team

It's unlikely that many teams won't lose riders as we go along

if you think about it, you couldn't bring a fresh rider in now when everyone else has ridden 3 days already
swingaleg
03-07-2012
Sivtsov has abandonned ..............
TheFridge
03-07-2012
Originally Posted by swingaleg:
“No..............it's tough luck, you carry on with one less in the team

It's unlikely that many teams won't lose riders as we go along

if you think about it, you couldn't bring a fresh rider in now when everyone else has ridden 3 days already”

Ye your right its obvious really .....

Gotta admit i only really watch the Tour for the stages Cav can win , though with Wiggins being a genuine contender ill watch the lot this time.
afx237vi
03-07-2012
Bit of an argument between Sky and JI Gutierrez about pushing the pace after a crash. Movistar are getting a bit of a reputation about doing that.
swingaleg
03-07-2012
Originally Posted by afx237vi:
“Bit of an argument between Sky and JI Gutierrez about pushing the pace after a crash. Movistar are getting a bit of a reputation about doing that.”

I suppose in the end you reap what you sow.............if Movistar's team leader has a crash they won't hang around and wait for him..........and they'll just have to take that on the chin

Harmon just reminds us that it was Movistar in the Tour de Suisse this year when the train crossing barrier came down half way through the bunch.............Movistar were on the front and had got through before the barrier came so they speeded up and left the poor buggers behind waiting for the train to go past !
swingaleg
03-07-2012
getting towards the finish now..........time to make a cuppa and settle in the armchair !

afx237vi
03-07-2012
Originally Posted by swingaleg:
“I suppose in the end you reap what you sow.............if Movistar's team leader has a crash they won't hang around and wait for him..........and they'll just have to take that on the chin

Harmon just reminds us that it was Movistar in the Tour de Suisse this year when the train crossing barrier came down half way through the bunch.............Movistar were on the front and had got through before the barrier came so they speeded up and left the poor buggers behind waiting for the train to go past !”

There was a situation involving Leipheimer too when he crashed and Movistar started drilling it.

I don't think it's necessary to stop racing every time someone crashes, but what Gutierrez did earlier just seemed a bit pointless and childish really.
tso
03-07-2012
Pile up or small crash
afx237vi
03-07-2012
Second withdrawal of the day... Rojas. Going to be a lot of bruised and battered bodies tonight.
tso
03-07-2012
Loving the Sagan celebration
tso
03-07-2012
Stage 4
Any tips ?
tso
03-07-2012
Sagan aint in Top 10 overrall yet hes won 2 Stages
afx237vi
03-07-2012
Originally Posted by tso:
“Sagan aint in Top 10 overrall yet hes won 2 Stages”

You can win ten stages and still finish last, or win no stages and still win the whole thing
Ginger Daddy
03-07-2012
Originally Posted by tso:
“Sagan aint in Top 10 overrall yet hes won 2 Stages”

Why is this surprising to you? You dont get time bonuses for winning/second/third and havent done so for a number of years.
tso
03-07-2012
Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy:
“Why is this surprising to you? You dont get time bonuses for winning/second/third and havent done so for a number of years.”

Im a newbie so dont understand how it works
Ginger Daddy
03-07-2012
Originally Posted by tso:
“Im a newbie so dont understand how it works”

I assume he finished with a large group of people? They all get the same time.

I assume Sagan did poorly in the opening prologue stage which accounts for him being down the standings.
tso
03-07-2012
Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy:
“I assume he finished with a large group of people? They all get the same time.

I assume Sagan did poorly in the opening prologue stage which accounts for him being down the standings.”

I see.Cheers
Ginger Daddy
03-07-2012
Sagan finished 24 seconds down on the current leader in Saturdays opening 7km time trial/prologue, this accounts for him not being in the top 10.
swingaleg
03-07-2012
Originally Posted by tso:
“Im a newbie so dont understand how it works”

As a general rule of thumb it works like this........

On the flatter stages most of the riders stay together in a big bunch and all get the same time........they only time them seperately if there's a discernable gap between riders

I think today Sagan officially gained 1 second because there was a length or so between him and the 2nd

From the 2nd downwards all the ones in that bunch got the same time because they finished grouped together

So you can see that on the initial prologue time trial Sagan lost 24 seconds to cancellara.........it would take him 24 wins like today to get that back !

On these flatter stages which produce bunch sprint finishes the timings don't change much.....they don't really affect the overall outcome of the race as far as the yellow jersey is concerned

The yellow jersey is decided in the mountains and in the longer time trial stages........that's where the time gaps open up.

Think about it like this...........let's say there was an athletics competition which consisted of 20 races of which 19 were 100 metres and 1 was a marathon

Usain Bolt takes on the current marathon olympic champion

Usian Bolt wins all 19 sprints by 4 or 5 seconds each and at the end of the 19 sprint stages he's 1 minute 35 seconds up on the marathon runner

Now we come to the marathon stage............you see where this is going !................

Bolt loses that one stage by 45 minutes and is slaughtered in the overall standings !

The mountains and time trials are the equivalent of marathons where people like Cav will lose 30-40 minutes on one day....the odd seconds at stake in bunch finishes are pretty irrelevant in the overall competition
tso
03-07-2012
Cheers Swing
dean michael
03-07-2012
How will the stage go like tomorrow?
Denley
03-07-2012
Originally Posted by swingaleg:
“Think about it like this...........let's say there was an athletics competition which consisted of 20 races of which 19 were 100 metres and 1 was a marathon

Usain Bolt takes on the current marathon olympic champion

Usian Bolt wins all 19 sprints by 4 or 5 seconds each and at the end of the 19 sprint stages he's 1 minute 35 seconds up on the marathon runner

Now we come to the marathon stage............you see where this is going !................

Bolt loses that one stage by 45 minutes and is slaughtered in the overall standings !
”

I like that analogy swing.

So Sagan won again? I'll look forward to watching the highlights tonight.

I preferred it when the organisers gave time bonuses for stages, it added another dimension to the race and helped offset the over-importance (imo) on TT's in the tour.
Denley
03-07-2012
Originally Posted by dean michael:
“How will the stage go like tomorrow?”

Dependant on the effect of cross winds but it should be another blanket sprint finish.
Clarkie66
03-07-2012
Deleted - wrong thread!
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