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Luis Leon's reaction was funny. What's Spanish for "bleeeeeugh."
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Theres no better sight in cycling than watching Cavendish motor it like that , for me anyway
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It is a wonder that SIr Clive Woodward is in overall charge of Team GB the olympic team is he not?
I wonder if we would do better if Brailsford were to take over ? Also, does anyone think, it cannot be long before he is a Knight as well? Sir Dave Brailsford perhaps? He has certainly done a heck of a lot for the sport in general. His approach was once described as him getting everyone to look at every aspect of what they do and making it a bit better as opposed to looking at one, two or three things and making major shifts in those. It has clearly worked. Reading Woodward's biography, it's clear he is a special coach too and probably fell from grace at the RFU because he was streets ahead of them. When he first arrived at Twickenham to start his job, they had neither a desk, an office or any staff for him!!! Reckon Woodward's effect might well be diluted down in a very senior role which inevitably would get more involved with overall strategy, administration and office politics as opposed to the specifics of devising and implementing programmes which he was clearly excellent at from junior club rugby right up to his World Cup success with England. |
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Theres no better sight in cycling than watching Cavendish motor it like that , for me anyway
![]() ![]() I also like seeing any climber who can kick again and leave the others for dust too - Chris Froome's climbing could have been that this tour but it wasn't to be, for obvious reasons. I'm in awe of these guys. Brilliant finish from Cav after Wiggins and Boasson Hagen chased the gap down. You've got to take your hat off to Sky, they have dominated this tour.
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Brilliant from Cav.........the way he went early to catch the two out in front and nobody could go with him
Overhead shot as he went past like they were standing still........ ![]() Huge hug between Cav and Brad after the finish......... |
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Brailsford has done wonders.
His approach was once described as him getting everyone to look at every aspect of what they do and making it a bit better as opposed to looking at one, two or three things and making major shifts in those. It has clearly worked. Reading Woodward's biography, it's clear he is a special coach too and probably fell from grace at the RFU because he was streets ahead of them. When he first arrived at Twickenham to start his job, they had neither a desk, an office or any staff for him!!! Reckon Woodward's effect might well be diluted down in a very senior role which inevitably would get more involved with overall strategy, administration and office politics as opposed to the specifics of devising and implementing programmes which he was clearly excellent at from junior club rugby right up to his World Cup success with England. As for Woodward, I don't think his time trying his arm at football helped him out really, as Union and football don't really mix in terms of the politics in both sports. But he did do wonders for the national team, there can be no doubt about that. |
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Brilliant from Cav.........the way he went early to catch the two out in front and nobody could go with him
Overhead shot as he went past like they were standing still........ ![]() Huge hug between Cav and Brad after the finish......... |
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Brailsford has done wonders.
His approach was once described as him getting everyone to look at every aspect of what they do and making it a bit better as opposed to looking at one, two or three things and making major shifts in those. It has clearly worked. Reading Woodward's biography, it's clear he is a special coach too and probably fell from grace at the RFU because he was streets ahead of them. When he first arrived at Twickenham to start his job, they had neither a desk, an office or any staff for him!!! Reckon Woodward's effect might well be diluted down in a very senior role which inevitably would get more involved with overall strategy, administration and office politics as opposed to the specifics of devising and implementing programmes which he was clearly excellent at from junior club rugby right up to his World Cup success with England. |
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I thought that was a great shot of them btoh hugging at the end, it showed that they really are a team, "all for one, and one for all" etc.
![]() Is it too greedy to hope for a Wiggins, Froome 1,2 in the TT tomorrow and another Champs win for Cav to top it all off perfectly?
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They've been through a hell of a lot together in their careers, great to see them share the rewards for their hard work.
![]() Is it too greedy to hope for a Wiggins, Froome 1,2 in the TT tomorrow and another Champs win for Cav to top it all off perfectly? ![]()
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Is it too greedy to hope for a Wiggins, Froome 1,2 in the TT tomorrow and another Champs win for Cav to top it all off perfectly?
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I think that's a very likely prediction, not at all greedy! No Cancellara any more and I doubt Van Garderen will TT as well as he did last time - he's no match for Wiggins and Froome anyway. And if Sky lead Cavendish out like they did today, which they're clearly planning to do, there'll be no stopping him on Sunday
![]() ![]() All we need know is for the Queen to be in Paris on Sunday, and come down to the finish and Knight Dave right there and then, to compete the whole fairy tale!
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Excellent confidence booster for Cavendish..sounds like he asked the team to help him win and they delivered.
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I was reading a book about the initial set-up of Team Sky and it was very detailed about everything (for the life of me I cannot remember the title or the author now, so I do apologise about that), and in it Dave Brailsford comes accross as someone who is very detailed in the planning stages and doesn't leave anything to chance at all.
As for Woodward, I don't think his time trying his arm at football helped him out really, as Union and football don't really mix in terms of the politics in both sports. But he did do wonders for the national team, there can be no doubt about that. At Southampton, he was also in the role of Director of Football and the MO of such a role has never been worked out in our football (maybe he was trying to do just that?). |
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As for Woodward, I don't think his time trying his arm at football helped him out really, as Union and football don't really mix in terms of the politics in both sports.
But he did do wonders for the national team, there can be no doubt about that. Cracking stage today rather than the expected dawdling peloton. If Cavendish also wipes the floor with the other sprinters in Paris it won't make his chances of Olympic gold any easier as even the other teams with good sprinters will be trying for a breakaway. |
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Cracking stage today rather than the expected dawdling peloton. If Cavendish also wipes the floor with the other sprinters in Paris it won't make his chances of Olympic gold any easier as even the other teams with good sprinters will be trying for a breakaway.
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The England rugby team did well because the players were either world class or very good. Southampton showed the limits of Woodward. Similarly in his present job he had supposedly worked out how to create medal winners and trialed it on a woman golfer with predictably poor results. Whatever his title, the sports who know how to win like cycling, rowing and sailing won't let Woodward interfere.
Cracking stage today rather than the expected dawdling peloton. If Cavendish also wipes the floor with the other sprinters in Paris it won't make his chances of Olympic gold any easier as even the other teams with good sprinters will be trying for a breakaway. When he took over England were getting thumped by the Southern Hemisphere nations and then he produced something that no other Northern Hemisphere team has ever done by consistantly beating those SH nations home and away culminating in winning that World Cup in Australia. Look at Wales with all their world class players , they still cant beat a SH nation let alone win consecutive games and win a World Cup. |
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This is almost too perfect a situation really!
![]() All we need know is for the Queen to be in Paris on Sunday, and come down to the finish and Knight Dave right there and then, to compete the whole fairy tale! ![]() ![]() Sky have shown that perfect teamwork and a couple of strong TTs really is the way to win the Tour - I doubt Wiggins would have won (or won so easily at least) without his team being around him so consistently in the mountains. Of course Evans has shown that even if the team is there if the rider isn't up to it there's not much that can be done, but the way Sky have had their team marshalled to perfection has been the major difference. |
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Sky have shown that perfect teamwork and a couple of strong TTs really is the way to win the Tour - I doubt Wiggins would have won (or won so easily at least) without his team being around him so consistently in the mountains. |
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Just watched it again on ITV4 - I reckon Cav was 40-50m down on Roche at 300m to go.
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I have just watched the finish on the ITV4 catch up.
Just... WOW. It looked great head on. Then from overhead... just... WOW. ...and I loved Roche's comments... what could he do but laugh. |
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Just out of interest, does anyone have the boxset of all of the tours (well up to 2010 I think it is)?
Is it any good? I am thinking of ordering it. |
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Right, I've just read everyone's posts. I missed Sanchez's reaction and the Wiggins/Cav hug, so I'm off to see them on line if I can...
...once I've finished picking up my jaw off the floor having seen the finish from overhead again. Still... just... WOW. |
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I have just watched the finish on the ITV4 catch up.
Just... WOW. It looked great head on. Then from overhead... just... WOW. ...and I loved Roche's comments... what could he do but laugh. |
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after Wiggins and Boasson Hagen chased the gap down. You've got to take your hat off to Sky, they have dominated this tour.
