• TV
  • MOVIES
  • MUSIC
  • SHOWBIZ
  • SOAPS
  • GAMING
  • TECH
  • FORUMS
  • Follow
    • Follow
    • facebook
    • twitter
    • google+
    • instagram
    • youtube
Hearst Corporation
  • TV
  • MOVIES
  • MUSIC
  • SHOWBIZ
  • SOAPS
  • GAMING
  • TECH
  • FORUMS
Forums
  • Register
  • Login
  • Forums
  • Entertainment
  • Sport
The Pro Cycling Thread
<<
<
68 of 169
>>
>
Eater Sundae
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by davethecue:
“That was awful TV coverage.

Makes you realise how well they do it on the Tour de France”

I guess it can't be easy to commentate when you are sat looking at a tv screen. I presume they see exactly the same as we do.
Electra
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I think that could be the last straw for Cav with Team Sky, he surely cannot be happy with that performence and the tactics emplyed.
He sacrificed the Tour for this event, and the royally mucked it up, so I can see him leaving Team Sky now.”

The other lads didn't muck it up. They had to nursemaid him up the tiny climbs.
jcafcw
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I think that could be the last straw for Cav with Team Sky, he surely cannot be happy with that performence and the tactics emplyed.
He sacrificed the Tour for this event, and the royally mucked it up, so I can see him leaving Team Sky now.”

This wasn't Team Sky but GB.

And it was the Germans he should be angry at.
Inspiration
28-07-2012
Oh dear, someones mic is on and it shouldn't be. Hearing someone randomly discussing the result.
John259
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I think that could be the last straw for Cav with Team Sky, he surely cannot be happy with that performence and the tactics emplyed.
He sacrificed the Tour for this event, and the royally mucked it up, so I can see him leaving Team Sky now.”

That wasn't Team Sky, it was a British team. Some overlap with Wiggo and Chris Froome yes, but not the same. No Edvald Boasson Hagen, for example.
madzo2005
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I think that could be the last straw for Cav with Team Sky, he surely cannot be happy with that performence and the tactics emplyed.
He sacrificed the Tour for this event, and the royally mucked it up, so I can see him leaving Team Sky now.”

In Team Sky there is more riders, therefore more riders to take their turn at the front. Team GB were left to all the work. The other countries tactics to tire out GB worked.
Mystical123
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by CTD101:
“Not being a Cycling expert, has this been a GB balls up or just how these things tend to pan out?”

No, the GB team did all they could, and it was standard road race tactics. The difference today was that with only 5 people in their team, and no help whatsoever from anyone else (even those who had an interest in chasing the breakaway down!) there was nothing they could do.

The Germans seemed to have abandoned all thoughts of a medal - they needed to help the chase if Greipel was to have a chance, and they should have done so and at least tried to outsprint Cavendish.


And I also think Jill Douglas should be fired - that was a ridiculous question to ask Vinokourov about the Brits being left to do all the work - he's just won an Olympic gold and he shouldn't have to give a crap about the Brits! Unbelieveable rudeness from the BBC
Eater Sundae
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by davethecue:
“How poor was that interview with the winner by Jill Douglas on the beeb

he's just won the gold and she asks him where that ranks in his career !!

Then keeps mentioning the GB team. Why should he care

Everybody was against Cavendish and the GB team. What kind of question was that ?”

She learnt everything she knows from watching Sue Barker's interviewing techniques after the men's final at Wimbledon.
John259
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by Eater Sundae:
“I guess it can't be easy to commentate when you are sat looking at a tv screen. I presume they see exactly the same as we do.”

They might have views from all the cameras, not just the one being broadcast. In the Tour, Paul has Race Radio which gives info on crashes, etc. But yes, I'm constantly amazed at how well the professional commentators recognise the riders. The BBC's commentator today had trouble guessing the countries.
Phil S
28-07-2012
Team GB = Rubbish
Over confident, didn't react when they should have done.
Over hyped.

BBC coverage = Rubbish
No timing detail
No information on locations, number of laps etc
Comentators over hyping GB saying how professional they were and they know what they're doing - NO THEY DIDN'T they were nowhere!
Comentators getting the names wrong and saying someone was 4th when in fact they were about 24th
Camera's that went off the final two at the end of the race

All very poor!
Mystical123
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I think that could be the last straw for Cav with Team Sky, he surely cannot be happy with that performence and the tactics emplyed.
He sacrificed the Tour for this event, and the royally mucked it up, so I can see him leaving Team Sky now.”

They didn't muck up, there was nothing more they could do. There just wasn't enough manpower to chase down the breakaway without any help due to the limits on team size, and when you think that the top 2 in the TdF and another stage winner couldn't do it, then it's clear that there wouldn't have been any difference unless the Germans or someone else with a vested interest lent a hand. The Germans were the problem, and if I were Greipel I'd be furious with them - he's got much more reason to be angry than Cavendish, as the latter's teammates at least gave their all to help him! Only Tony Martin really did anything for the Germans.

And it's not Team Sky, it's Team GB...Sky also had Porte, Knees, Rodgers, Boasson Hagen and Eisel, only the latter of which was being any help to the Brits today as obviously the ones taking part were riding for their own countries.
Mystical123
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by Phil S:
“Team GB = Rubbish
Over confident, didn't react when they should have done.
Over hyped.

BBC coverage = Rubbish
No timing detail
No information on locations, number of laps etc
Comentators over hyping GB saying how professional they were and they know what they're doing - NO THEY DIDN'T they were nowhere!
Comentators getting the names wrong and saying someone was 4th when the were about 20th
Camera's that went off the final two at the end of the race”

I've already said about Team GB, they needed help to react, one team of 5 simply can't do all the chasing, if you watch the TdF then that becomes clear - even then one team can struggle with 9 men!

The commentators were woeful, but the camera footage was the IOC, not the BBC.
Eater Sundae
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by jcafcw:
“This wasn't Team Sky but GB.

And it was the Germans he should be angry at.”

Why should he expect the German team to support him?

Presumably they were doing what they thought was in the best interest of themselves, and so they should. Maybe they were hoping that GB would work harder and tire themselves out closing the gap, so that Cav would be on his own at the end, increasing Greipel's chances.

Edit: But they misjudged it and left too much forteam GB to do on their own at the end. An opportunist move by Vino to jump onto the break, and a good finish. Fortune favours the brave and all that.
jcafcw
28-07-2012
In a way I am happy the breakaway stayed away just to pay the lazy Germans back.
Mystical123
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by Eater Sundae:
“Presumably they were doing what they thought was in the best interest of themselves, and so they should. Maybe they were hoping that GB would work harder and tire themselves out closing the gap, so that Cav would be on his own at the end, increasing Griepel's chances.”

They didn't chase at all though. Greipel had no chance unless they helped to chase. Yes, by all means let the Brits do the vast majority of the work to tire themselves out, but by not helping them at all apart from Martin they wrote off their own chances as well as Cavendish's!
jcafcw
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by Eater Sundae:
“Why should he expect the German team to support him?

Presumably they were doing what they thought was in the best interest of themselves, and so they should. Maybe they were hoping that GB would work harder and tire themselves out closing the gap, so that Cav would be on his own at the end, increasing Griepel's chances.”

Remind me.

How close to the gold medal was Greipel?

What they did was to cost their man a shot at the gold medal. They were too worried about Cavendish and they paid the price. Nothing but lazy tactics.
cmq2
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by Phil S:
“BBC coverage = Rubbish
No timing detail
No information on locations, number of laps etc
Comentators over hyping GB saying how professional they were and they know what they're doing - NO THEY DIDN'T they were nowhere!
Comentators getting the names wrong and saying someone was 4th when in fact they were about 24th
Camera's that went off the final two at the end of the race!”

The coverage shambles is down to the Olympic Broadcasting Company. They clearly did not do their homework on how modern road races are covered. No race radio; only one intermediate timing point on the loop; and minimal and inaccurate on screen display (Henao/Uran). On the early laps the website kept faltering; it had Phinney somewhere off the back and then he turned up in the break.

Porter and Boardman were poor in spotting riders and reading the race but they had complained about sun on their small monitors in the early stages so they were probably seeing less than us. Porter often confused Spanish with Dutch riders which meant he could not distinguish between full red kit and orange and black. I doubt the BBC would use someone who would not know the main nations. He had no idea who came in third and had three guesses at his nationality implying he could not see the cross on the rider's jersey.
tennisman
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“No, the GB team did all they could, and it was standard road race tactics. The difference today was that with only 5 people in their team, and no help whatsoever from anyone else (even those who had an interest in chasing the breakaway down!) there was nothing they could do.

The Germans seemed to have abandoned all thoughts of a medal - they needed to help the chase if Greipel was to have a chance, and they should have done so and at least tried to outsprint Cavendish.


And I also think Jill Douglas should be fired - that was a ridiculous question to ask Vinokourov about the Brits being left to do all the work - he's just won an Olympic gold and he shouldn't have to give a crap about the Brits! Unbelieveable rudeness from the BBC ”

On the tennis, I don't think we agree, Mystical. But on this one we do.

Jill first made the point that 'it's not the result the British want but how does this one feel?'. Not great.

Maybe too much hype about Team GB based on the TDF?

Of course, it was a different race / environmet / team, but maybe nontheless, a race too far?

A US tennis writer mate of mine involved with TV is constantly reminding me about the nature of live TV; that even with good pre-planning, sometimes the wrong thing can be said at the actual moment (i.e give the broadcasters a break - Ummm???).
Mystical123
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by tennisman:
“On the tennis, I don't think we agree, Mystical. But on this one we do.

Jill first made the point that 'it's not the result the British want but how does this one feel?'. Not great.

Maybe too much hype about Team GB based on the TDF?

Of course, it was a different race / environmet / team, but maybe nontheless, a race too far?

A US tennis writer mate of mine involved with TV is constantly reminding me about the nature of live TV; that even with good pre-planning, sometimes the wrong thing can be said at the actual moment (i.e give the broadcasters a break - Ummm???).”

Yes, I think we'll have to agree to disagree about the tennis, but I'm with you on this. I agree the TdF has led to too much Team GB hype, but it frustrates me how little research the presenters seem to have done. I'm not a huge cycling fanatic, but from watching the Tour the whole way through for the first time, I've learnt a lot in a couple of weeks. It's not hard to do some research.
jcafcw
28-07-2012
Bizarrely cycling really is a team game and you have to help your opponents to help your team.

Something the Germans should learn.
breppo
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by cmq2:
“The coverage shambles is down to the Olympic Broadcasting Company. They clearly did not do their homework on how modern road races are covered. No race radio; only one intermediate timing point on the loop; and minimal and inaccurate on screen display. On the early laps the website kept faltering; it had Phinney somewhere off the back and then he turned up in the break.

Porter and Boardman were poor in spotting riders and reading the race but they had complained about sun on their small monitors in the early stages so they were probably seeing less than us. Porter often confused Spanish with Dutch riders which meant he could not distinguish between full red kit and orange and black. I doubt the BBC would use someone who would not know the main nations. He had no idea who came in third and had three guesses implying he could not see the cross on the riders jersey.”

The experienced Dutch commentators, who folllow the peloton all year round and can almost tell riders apart by the way they sit on their bikes, were also having trouble. They said they were sitting under a parasol that didn't quite keep the sun of their tiny screens. We at home had a better view.
I wonder why the organisation didn't use the huge airconditioned trailers that are used in the Tour and other big cycling events.
Eater Sundae
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by jcafcw:
“Remind me.

How close to the gold medal was Greipel?

What they did was to cost their man a shot at the gold medal. They were too worried about Cavendish and they paid the price. Nothing but lazy tactics.”

Clearly their tactics didn't work on the day, but that can be said about every team except Vino's.

If they had made up an 8 man train at the front, they would most probably have carried Greipel & Cavendish to the final sprint. Maybe they thought that GB would be able to provide too good a lead off for Cav, and so Greipel would lose, and decided that better tactics would be to force GB to do most of the work, so they would be too tired to properly lead out Cav. Any resultant sprint would then be more of a lottery, and Greipel might fancy his chances a bit more.

German riders did a bit, but not much, first Martin, then someone else (I've forgotten who), but obviously not enough
kendoguk
28-07-2012
Someone sounds angry
cmq2
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by Eater Sundae:
“Clearly their tactics didn't work on the day, but that can be said about every team except Vino's.

If they had made up an 8 man train at the front, they would most probably have carried Greipel & Cavendish to the final sprint. Maybe they thought that GB would be able to provide too good a lead off for Cav, and so Greipel would lose, and decided that better tactics would be to force GB to do most of the work, so they would be too tired to properly lead out Cav. Any resultant sprint would then be more of a lottery, and Greipel might fancy his chances a bit more.

German riders did a bit, but not much, first Martin, then someone else (I've forgotten who), but obviously not enough”

The German team were no match for our riders. Team GB had four riders from the same team, first and second on the Tour, plus a Tour stage winner and solid experienced team rider in Millar to support Cavendish. What did Greipel have in his armoury?

It is a lot easier to look comfortable in the wheels than driving the peloton forward after following Team GB's pace. It is not clear, had it come to the sprint, whether they had the ability to lead out Greipel. In the end Greipel came in a group ahead of the rest of his team.
jcafcw
28-07-2012
Originally Posted by kendoguk:
“Someone sounds angry”

Yes, and his name is Greipel
<<
<
68 of 169
>>
>
VIEW DESKTOP SITE TOP

JOIN US HERE

  • Facebook
  • Twitter

Hearst Corporation

Hearst Corporation

DIGITAL SPY, PART OF THE HEARST UK ENTERTAINMENT NETWORK

© 2015 Hearst Magazines UK is the trading name of the National Magazine Company Ltd, 72 Broadwick Street, London, W1F 9EP. Registered in England 112955. All rights reserved.

  • Terms & Conditions
  • Privacy Policy
  • Cookie Policy
  • Complaints
  • Site Map