Voted for Andy and was disappointed Robin didn't save him. And for those who say "little known" of Andy, I wouldn't recongnise many of the various Sugarbabes line ups if they passed me in the street but I'd recognise Andy, Sam and Mark!
Totally wrong decision Andy should have stayed.
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Originally Posted by Sarahsmum:
“I thought he was the best skater
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“I thought he was the best skater
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I really liked him was so shocked he went out.
I thought he was better than Heidi by a mile, infact I enjoyed his performance the most. I don't get their decision, except that they like to keep the girls in.
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“Well all those complaining Andy shouldn't have been bottom 2 and shouldn't have gone then maybe more people should have voted for him then and he wouldn't have been in the skate off.
Its always the same plently of people on here moan that the wrong person went but how many do actually put in the effort to vote for them to stay.
Icedragon it does make a difference with regards to the lifts etc when there is a partner change Suzanne acknowledged it on the tour a few years back when skating with Lucaz instead of Matt that hand holds etc were all different and getting into lifts etc were different and had to be relearned so it will have been the same with Heidi and may have knocked her overall confidence for performing.
I prefer to not make snap judgements on the first week and wait till everyone has performed on Week 3 then if its still the same but fair enough but skating out 1st on the first show having had to change partner just a couple of weeks ago would have been enough to knock most peoples confidence.”
“Well all those complaining Andy shouldn't have been bottom 2 and shouldn't have gone then maybe more people should have voted for him then and he wouldn't have been in the skate off.
Its always the same plently of people on here moan that the wrong person went but how many do actually put in the effort to vote for them to stay.
Icedragon it does make a difference with regards to the lifts etc when there is a partner change Suzanne acknowledged it on the tour a few years back when skating with Lucaz instead of Matt that hand holds etc were all different and getting into lifts etc were different and had to be relearned so it will have been the same with Heidi and may have knocked her overall confidence for performing.
I prefer to not make snap judgements on the first week and wait till everyone has performed on Week 3 then if its still the same but fair enough but skating out 1st on the first show having had to change partner just a couple of weeks ago would have been enough to knock most peoples confidence.”
It makes some difference yes but really not a huge difference. If you've learned how to go into a lift properly you can make those adjustments. Looking at Heidi skate I think maybe she broke her first partner because she didn't learn how to assist going into the lifts. it looked like poor Andrei was lifting a dead weight each time. Contrast that with Jorgie's lift entries and exits where you could see she was spot on with the timing and made it easy for her partner. Suzanne had also been skating with Matt a lot longer while Heidi hadn't been skating with Sylvain long before she broke him
And as I said before the lack of skating skills are still apparent - stiff knees, no independent control - and they do not depend on who your partner is.Edited to add - Hi FantasticMrFox *waves enthusiastically*
I was surprised Andy left - thought he was one of the better males. At least he could skate and he would have improved.
I think they should have waited until next week before an eviction. They could have had a double after we'd seen them all skate.
I think they should have waited until next week before an eviction. They could have had a double after we'd seen them all skate.
For me I would have chosen Andy by a mile over Heidi, she was wooden and stiff looking and it looked like her partner Andrei was trying to lift a dead weight not the least bit entertaining for me on the other hand Andy was quick and to the point, he might have looked a bit sloppy at times but was very entertaining. He really should be still in the competition.
Icedragon you are telling me if you were competiting and has been working with someone for six weeks solid and you suddenly had to change partner and had two weeks with them before being thrown onto live television you wouldn't suddenly be nervous and struggling a bit and not perform as well as you could. Fair enough if in week 3 if she is still the same then yes she is weak and should go but some benefit of the doubt has to be given.
Jorgie has the advantage in lifts as she is a classically trained dancer so is at an advantage there as she will have knowledge of getting in and out of lifts and how to look elegant.
I don't support Heidi and have yet to set a definite support for this year although at the moment my pleasant surprise has been Charlene and I wont until I have seen everyone skate but I do feel its unfair that everyone is moaning that Heidis routines was all lifts when Jorgie had a lot of lifts in her routine as well. I am not arguing about basic skating or lack of as such but you cannot moan about one female having a lot of lifts but not another which is what some posters have done.
Also sorry to Andy fans on here but found his exit interview on This Morning a bit ungracious and also his tweet today regarding his exit. It was more just what he was saying rather than how it was said and I found this last year too that the some of the celebs seem to think they are above actually being voted off and how dare the public have not liked him enough to keep him in. While his performance was ok he seems to think it was the best of the night and can't seem to understand why he was even in the bottom two. His tweet talks about the superb performance by them both. While it was OK it was hardly what I would call superb.
Jorgie has the advantage in lifts as she is a classically trained dancer so is at an advantage there as she will have knowledge of getting in and out of lifts and how to look elegant.
I don't support Heidi and have yet to set a definite support for this year although at the moment my pleasant surprise has been Charlene and I wont until I have seen everyone skate but I do feel its unfair that everyone is moaning that Heidis routines was all lifts when Jorgie had a lot of lifts in her routine as well. I am not arguing about basic skating or lack of as such but you cannot moan about one female having a lot of lifts but not another which is what some posters have done.
Also sorry to Andy fans on here but found his exit interview on This Morning a bit ungracious and also his tweet today regarding his exit. It was more just what he was saying rather than how it was said and I found this last year too that the some of the celebs seem to think they are above actually being voted off and how dare the public have not liked him enough to keep him in. While his performance was ok he seems to think it was the best of the night and can't seem to understand why he was even in the bottom two. His tweet talks about the superb performance by them both. While it was OK it was hardly what I would call superb.
Andy has a point - he was better than Heidi- all I can think of for keeping her in is the murky world of politics. Robin really blew his credibility last night. I lost a lot of respect for him
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“Icedragon you are telling me if you were competiting and has been working with someone for six weeks solid and you suddenly had to change partner and had two weeks with them before being thrown onto live television you wouldn't suddenly be nervous and struggling a bit and not perform as well as you could. Fair enough if in week 3 if she is still the same then yes she is weak and should go but some benefit of the doubt has to be given.
Jorgie has the advantage in lifts as she is a classically trained dancer so is at an advantage there as she will have knowledge of getting in and out of lifts and how to look elegant.
I don't support Heidi and have yet to set a definite support for this year although at the moment my pleasant surprise has been Charlene and I wont until I have seen everyone skate but I do feel its unfair that everyone is moaning that Heidis routines was all lifts when Jorgie had a lot of lifts in her routine as well. I am not arguing about basic skating or lack of as such but you cannot moan about one female having a lot of lifts but not another which is what some posters have done.
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“Icedragon you are telling me if you were competiting and has been working with someone for six weeks solid and you suddenly had to change partner and had two weeks with them before being thrown onto live television you wouldn't suddenly be nervous and struggling a bit and not perform as well as you could. Fair enough if in week 3 if she is still the same then yes she is weak and should go but some benefit of the doubt has to be given.
Jorgie has the advantage in lifts as she is a classically trained dancer so is at an advantage there as she will have knowledge of getting in and out of lifts and how to look elegant.
I don't support Heidi and have yet to set a definite support for this year although at the moment my pleasant surprise has been Charlene and I wont until I have seen everyone skate but I do feel its unfair that everyone is moaning that Heidis routines was all lifts when Jorgie had a lot of lifts in her routine as well. I am not arguing about basic skating or lack of as such but you cannot moan about one female having a lot of lifts but not another which is what some posters have done.
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I think if I had to perform on live television I'd be a nervous wreck no matter what partner or how long I'd been skating with them and yes I honestly believe that Heidi's lack of skating skills would still be same if she'd been with Sylvain. The technique of a lift is the same no matter which partner you have and it appeared that Heidi lacked that technique of getting into a lift without appearing like a dead weight and I doubt that the loss of Sylvain suddenly caused her to not be able to bend her knees or move independently or control her own balance etc etc.
I don't like to see a lot of lifts in the girl's routines no matter who they are but it was patently obvious that Jorgie's lift technique when being lifted and her skating skills when actually on the ice, were way above Heidi's on both counts.
I am not counting who has 'advantages' as it has never been a level playing field. I am just looking at the fact that both in the air and on the ice Jorgie was exceptionally good for first week and Heidi wasn't.
So am I supposed to think less of Jorgie because she did ballet and more of Heidi because she had a partner change or can I just judge what I see? Heidi - wooden, clunky, dead weight in lifts, not able to skate with any speed or flow, carefully postiioned and held at all times by her partner (but a pretty line in the spiral when held by Andrei I'll give her that) and dull. Jorgie - skated into the ice with soft knees, fabulous in the lifts, some quite good technical skating for week one and looked like she was in control of herself and not reliant on partner,and a beautiful and captivating performance.
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“Also sorry to Andy fans on here but found his exit interview on This Morning a bit ungracious and also his tweet today regarding his exit. It was more just what he was saying rather than how it was said and I found this last year too that the some of the celebs seem to think they are above actually being voted off and how dare the public have not liked him enough to keep him in. While his performance was ok he seems to think it was the best of the night and can't seem to understand why he was even in the bottom two. His tweet talks about the superb performance by them both. While it was OK it was hardly what I would call superb.”
“Also sorry to Andy fans on here but found his exit interview on This Morning a bit ungracious and also his tweet today regarding his exit. It was more just what he was saying rather than how it was said and I found this last year too that the some of the celebs seem to think they are above actually being voted off and how dare the public have not liked him enough to keep him in. While his performance was ok he seems to think it was the best of the night and can't seem to understand why he was even in the bottom two. His tweet talks about the superb performance by them both. While it was OK it was hardly what I would call superb.”
I didn't think Andy took his exit too well last night and whilst I don't claim to be any sort of ice dance expert I preferred the overall performance of Heidi and Andrei.
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“Jorgie has the advantage in lifts as she is a classically trained dancer so is at an advantage there as she will have knowledge of getting in and out of lifts and how to look elegant.”
“Jorgie has the advantage in lifts as she is a classically trained dancer so is at an advantage there as she will have knowledge of getting in and out of lifts and how to look elegant.”
We saw this in series 1 with Matt and Bonnie - fantastic lifts from a petite, trained dancer and and her tall, strong professional partner.
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“I think if I had to perform on live television I'd be a nervous wreck no matter what partner or how long I'd been skating with them and yes I honestly believe that Heidi's lack of skating skills would still be same if she'd been with Sylvain. The technique of a lift is the same no matter which partner you have and it appeared that Heidi lacked that technique of getting into a lift without appearing like a dead weight and I doubt that the loss of Sylvain suddenly caused her to not be able to bend her knees or move independently or control her own balance etc etc.
I don't like to see a lot of lifts in the girl's routines no matter who they are but it was patently obvious that Jorgie's lift technique when being lifted and her skating skills when actually on the ice, were way above Heidi's on both counts.
I am not counting who has 'advantages' as it has never been a level playing field. I am just looking at the fact that both in the air and on the ice Jorgie was exceptionally good for first week and Heidi wasn't.
So am I supposed to think less of Jorgie because she did ballet and more of Heidi because she had a partner change or can I just judge what I see? Heidi - wooden, clunky, dead weight in lifts, not able to skate with any speed or flow, carefully postiioned and held at all times by her partner (but a pretty line in the spiral when held by Andrei I'll give her that) and dull. Jorgie - skated into the ice with soft knees, fabulous in the lifts, some quite good technical skating for week one and looked like she was in control of herself and not reliant on partner,and a beautiful and captivating performance.”
“I think if I had to perform on live television I'd be a nervous wreck no matter what partner or how long I'd been skating with them and yes I honestly believe that Heidi's lack of skating skills would still be same if she'd been with Sylvain. The technique of a lift is the same no matter which partner you have and it appeared that Heidi lacked that technique of getting into a lift without appearing like a dead weight and I doubt that the loss of Sylvain suddenly caused her to not be able to bend her knees or move independently or control her own balance etc etc.
I don't like to see a lot of lifts in the girl's routines no matter who they are but it was patently obvious that Jorgie's lift technique when being lifted and her skating skills when actually on the ice, were way above Heidi's on both counts.
I am not counting who has 'advantages' as it has never been a level playing field. I am just looking at the fact that both in the air and on the ice Jorgie was exceptionally good for first week and Heidi wasn't.
So am I supposed to think less of Jorgie because she did ballet and more of Heidi because she had a partner change or can I just judge what I see? Heidi - wooden, clunky, dead weight in lifts, not able to skate with any speed or flow, carefully postiioned and held at all times by her partner (but a pretty line in the spiral when held by Andrei I'll give her that) and dull. Jorgie - skated into the ice with soft knees, fabulous in the lifts, some quite good technical skating for week one and looked like she was in control of herself and not reliant on partner,and a beautiful and captivating performance.”
However much Heidi is given the cop out of the change of partner there was no comparison between her and Jorgie, Jorgie was enchanting and delicate ie looked the part whereas Heidi well you've said it all poor girl even looked clumsy. Maybe they could have put her in next weeks with an extra week of practice but she's through so it's a bit irrelevant.
Originally Posted by Bandita:
“However much Heidi is given the cop out of the change of partner there was no comparison between her and Jorgie, Jorgie was enchanting and delicate ie looked the part whereas Heidi well you've said it all poor girl even looked clumsy. Maybe they could have put her in next weeks with an extra week of practice but she's through so it's a bit irrelevant.”
“However much Heidi is given the cop out of the change of partner there was no comparison between her and Jorgie, Jorgie was enchanting and delicate ie looked the part whereas Heidi well you've said it all poor girl even looked clumsy. Maybe they could have put her in next weeks with an extra week of practice but she's through so it's a bit irrelevant.”
Why is Heidi the only one to be compared to Jorgie? 6 other skaters finished below the Matt/Jorgie partnership.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Why is Heidi the only one to be compared to Jorgie? 6 other skaters finished below the Matt/Jorgie partnership.”
“Why is Heidi the only one to be compared to Jorgie? 6 other skaters finished below the Matt/Jorgie partnership.”
Don't know really I was just replying to the previous post but you're right
Would run through the whole lot but don't think any one would be that interested
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Why is Heidi the only one to be compared to Jorgie? 6 other dancers finished below the Matt/Jorgie partnership.”
“Why is Heidi the only one to be compared to Jorgie? 6 other dancers finished below the Matt/Jorgie partnership.”
The main focus of the thread is that Andy should have stayed ahead of Heidi and one of the principal criticisms of Heidi is that she showed little skating ability but was largely carried around the ice. The comparison with Jorgie comes, not because that's the standard she should be compared with, but because Jorgie's routine showed how a female skater could integrate lifts and "off-ice" work while still demonstrating fluent skating ability. It's simply indicative that lifts don't necessarily mean "can't skate" as Jorgie showed but Heidi did not... yet.
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“The main focus of the thread is that Andy should have stayed ahead of Heidi and one of the principal criticisms of Heidi is that she showed little skating ability but was largely carried around the ice. The comparison with Jorgie comes, not because that's the standard she should be compared with, but because Jorgie's routine showed how a female skater could integrate lifts and "off-ice" work while still demonstrating fluent skating ability. It's simply indicative that lifts don't necessarily mean "can't skate" as Jorgie showed but Heidi did not... yet.”
“The main focus of the thread is that Andy should have stayed ahead of Heidi and one of the principal criticisms of Heidi is that she showed little skating ability but was largely carried around the ice. The comparison with Jorgie comes, not because that's the standard she should be compared with, but because Jorgie's routine showed how a female skater could integrate lifts and "off-ice" work while still demonstrating fluent skating ability. It's simply indicative that lifts don't necessarily mean "can't skate" as Jorgie showed but Heidi did not... yet.”
Good points I knew there was a reason, thanks!
I have just tweeted Robin and told him that I think he got it wrong. Let's see if there any tweets back defending his decision
Another one here really disappointed the the results last night.
Louis Spence has now, in my opinion, has proved he's not fit to be a judge, and Robbie Cousins has now lost his credibility. Ridiculous result.
Louis Spence has now, in my opinion, has proved he's not fit to be a judge, and Robbie Cousins has now lost his credibility. Ridiculous result.
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“I have just tweeted Robin and told him that I think he got it wrong. Let's see if there any tweets back defending his decision”
“I have just tweeted Robin and told him that I think he got it wrong. Let's see if there any tweets back defending his decision”
I wouldn't say Robin has to defend his decision to anyone and I don't think he was influenced by anyone. He based on his own knowledge of skating has picked Heidi to stay over Andy. He knows what he is looking for in the celebs and Andy obviously didn't meet what he was looking for. Given the terrible camera angles we are getting he maybe saw stuff live in the studio that we didn't see on screen that influenced his choice.
At the end of the day thats his decision based on his experiences he shouldn't have to defend any decision he makes to anyone regarding whoever is in the skate off. He has the Olympic Championship and has the experience and knowledge to make these choices and I'm perfectly sure he knew what he was doing when he made his decision. Yes we are entitled to disagree with him but I wouldn't expect him to have to justify every choice he makes on the show he is qualified and we're not.
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“I wouldn't say Robin has to defend his decision to anyone and I don't think he was influenced by anyone. He based on his own knowledge of skating has picked Heidi to stay over Andy. He knows what he is looking for in the celebs and Andy obviously didn't meet what he was looking for. Given the terrible camera angles we are getting he maybe saw stuff live in the studio that we didn't see on screen that influenced his choice.
At the end of the day thats his decision based on his experiences he shouldn't have to defend any decision he makes to anyone regarding whoever is in the skate off. He has the Olympic Championship and has the experience and knowledge to make these choices and I'm perfectly sure he knew what he was doing when he made his decision. Yes we are entitled to disagree with him but I wouldn't expect him to have to justify every choice he makes on the show he is qualified and we're not.”
“I wouldn't say Robin has to defend his decision to anyone and I don't think he was influenced by anyone. He based on his own knowledge of skating has picked Heidi to stay over Andy. He knows what he is looking for in the celebs and Andy obviously didn't meet what he was looking for. Given the terrible camera angles we are getting he maybe saw stuff live in the studio that we didn't see on screen that influenced his choice.
At the end of the day thats his decision based on his experiences he shouldn't have to defend any decision he makes to anyone regarding whoever is in the skate off. He has the Olympic Championship and has the experience and knowledge to make these choices and I'm perfectly sure he knew what he was doing when he made his decision. Yes we are entitled to disagree with him but I wouldn't expect him to have to justify every choice he makes on the show he is qualified and we're not.”
The comments from other posters here suggest they think he was wrong too
I stand by my point that Robin is qualified and we aren't while I in the past may not have been happy that he has sent a favourite home I stand by the decision he has made and that it has been made based on his knowledge and experience. I don't have to like it but I wouldn't start suggesting that he has lost the plot or that he has been influenced etc and I wouldn't expect him to start explaining why he reached that decision.
I wonder if Andy had been in the skate off with a different celeb and still sent home would everyone have been up in arms or is it purely because it was Heidi and people seem to have issues with her.
I wonder if Andy had been in the skate off with a different celeb and still sent home would everyone have been up in arms or is it purely because it was Heidi and people seem to have issues with her.
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“I stand by my point that Robin is qualified and we aren't while I in the past may not have been happy that he has sent a favourite home I stand by the decision he has made and that it has been made based on his knowledge and experience. I don't have to like it but I wouldn't start suggesting that he has lost the plot or that he has been influenced etc and I wouldn't expect him to start explaining why he reached that decision.
I wonder if Andy had been in the skate off with a different celeb and still sent home would everyone have been up in arms or is it purely because it was Heidi and people seem to have issues with her.”
“I stand by my point that Robin is qualified and we aren't while I in the past may not have been happy that he has sent a favourite home I stand by the decision he has made and that it has been made based on his knowledge and experience. I don't have to like it but I wouldn't start suggesting that he has lost the plot or that he has been influenced etc and I wouldn't expect him to start explaining why he reached that decision.
I wonder if Andy had been in the skate off with a different celeb and still sent home would everyone have been up in arms or is it purely because it was Heidi and people seem to have issues with her.”
I have no issues with Heidi- but I think the skating needs to take priority. Heidi did very little skatin - most of her routine consisted of lifts. T and D are ultimately responsible here. So the question here is why push the lifts when the emphasis should be on skating
Originally Posted by Tiggergirl:
“I wouldn't say Robin has to defend his decision to anyone and I don't think he was influenced by anyone. He based on his own knowledge of skating has picked Heidi to stay over Andy. He knows what he is looking for in the celebs and Andy obviously didn't meet what he was looking for. Given the terrible camera angles we are getting he maybe saw stuff live in the studio that we didn't see on screen that influenced his choice.
At the end of the day thats his decision based on his experiences he shouldn't have to defend any decision he makes to anyone regarding whoever is in the skate off. He has the Olympic Championship and has the experience and knowledge to make these choices and I'm perfectly sure he knew what he was doing when he made his decision. Yes we are entitled to disagree with him but I wouldn't expect him to have to justify every choice he makes on the show he is qualified and we're not.”
“I wouldn't say Robin has to defend his decision to anyone and I don't think he was influenced by anyone. He based on his own knowledge of skating has picked Heidi to stay over Andy. He knows what he is looking for in the celebs and Andy obviously didn't meet what he was looking for. Given the terrible camera angles we are getting he maybe saw stuff live in the studio that we didn't see on screen that influenced his choice.
At the end of the day thats his decision based on his experiences he shouldn't have to defend any decision he makes to anyone regarding whoever is in the skate off. He has the Olympic Championship and has the experience and knowledge to make these choices and I'm perfectly sure he knew what he was doing when he made his decision. Yes we are entitled to disagree with him but I wouldn't expect him to have to justify every choice he makes on the show he is qualified and we're not.”
I like a bit of sugar with my babe is'nt very professional imho.
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“I have just tweeted Robin and told him that I think he got it wrong. Let's see if there any tweets back defending his decision”
“I have just tweeted Robin and told him that I think he got it wrong. Let's see if there any tweets back defending his decision”
There's no defending his decision but I await his excuses.
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