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What are HDMI outputs????
Help someone please.
I've just bought an Onkyo TX-SR309 AV receiver for my home theater set up. What I can't get my head around is how I hook up (for example) my Virgin HD box via the HDMI input on the receiver. The receiver has 3 HDMI inputs & 1 HDMI output. Does this mean I can get sound & vision vian my receiver? My HD tv has 2 HDMI ouputs but seemingly no HDMI inputs. I've never heard of then before yesterday!. Can someone please be so kind as to explain this to me. It seems such a waste not being able to use them. Or do I have to update my tv. Thanks in advance to all who respond. |
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It's simple - like doors -
answer the following.... An output is where a signal...? a) comes out of b) goes in to Hint: the clue is in the name O U T put
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Your tv will have HDMI inputs not outputs.
Connect one of these to the HDMI output of your AV amp. Connect your Virgin HD box via its HDMI output to one of your AV amps HDMI inputs. Then select the correct HDMI input on your AV amp and you have a picture and 5.1 sound. |
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Thanks Webbie.
For some reason I just couldn't get my head around this, but I think I have now. Just one other question while await the delivery of the extra HDMI lead required. Will I need to have the amp on to view programmes via my Virgin box? Cheers |
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Thanks Webbie.
For some reason I just couldn't get my head around this, but I think I have now. Just one other question while await the delivery of the extra HDMI lead required. Will I need to have the amp on to view programmes via my Virgin box? Cheers |
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Just think of the AV amp as acting as an HDMI switch as well as it diverting the sound to its own speakers. Makes it a one button operation to easliy switch between viewing your Virgin box, Blu-ray player etc etc.
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If it's going through the amp you will, in the meantime plug it straight in the TV so you can use it.
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Thanks everyone.
It will make things easier all round if the receiver doesn't need to be on to view the Virgin box. I'll look into what my tv can and can't do in the meantime. Cheers |
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Check the manual for the Onkyo. Some makes of AV amp will still route an HDMI input to the HDMI output in standby. Since I never listen to anything other than my Onkyo amp I have never had need to try this.
I'm sort of tempted to ask why you would not want to listen via the Onkyo all the time anyway? Much much better sound quality than the telly speakers. |
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Your TV has two HDMI INPUTS, not OUTPUTS.
When all the leads arrive, connect as follows: Virgin HD box connected via HDMI OUTPUT to one of the HDMI INPUTS on your Onkyo. Connect HDMI OUTPUT from the Onkyo to one of the HDMI INPUTS on the TV. Switch the TV to the HDMI INPUT you connected the amp to, and follow the instuctions to set up the amp. Once all is set up, check your amp's manual. I believe some Onkyo receivers have HDMI passthrough, in that they can pass the output of an HDMI port through to the TV when the amp is switched to standby. Often you need to enable this in the amp's menus and tell it what HDMI INPUT you want passed through, on others it will pass through whatever HDMI INPUT you had the amp set to when you switched it into standby. The Onkyo also support audio return, basically it can accept the audio output from the TV returned back down the HDMI connection from the TV, but for this to work your TV has to support this feature too. If it does, you can listen to audio from the TV's own tuner, or other connected devices, via the amp without having to connect them directly to the amp as the sound travels via the TV. Look for a menu option on the TV called Audio Return, or similar. |
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The 309 has audio return, the OP needs to check their TV to see if it supports AR too, if it does then there will be no need to switch the amp on.
As chrisjr mentioned, it's 'possible' that the signal 'might' route through with the amp switched off - but it really needs someone who has the system to check. |
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What has AR got to do with the picture getting through the amp when not switched on?.
As chrisjr mentioned, it's 'possible' that the signal 'might' route through with the amp switched off - but it really needs someone who has the system to check. The 309 does support HDMI pass through. So to answer the OP's original question - no, you won't need to switch the amp on to view Virgin on your TV. |
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Check the manual for the Onkyo. Some makes of AV amp will still route an HDMI input to the HDMI output in standby. Since I never listen to anything other than my Onkyo amp I have never had need to try this.
I'm sort of tempted to ask why you would not want to listen via the Onkyo all the time anyway? Much much better sound quality than the telly speakers. To answer your question. I'm not keen on running the amp for 15hrs or more for example at weekends. When most of this time the built in speakers of the tv are adequate for what the kids will be watching. Cheers. |
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Oopps, terminology mixed up.
The 309 does support HDMI pass through. So to answer the OP's original question - no, you won't need to switch the amp on to view Virgin on your TV.
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Thanks guys. Got it working a treat now.
Once last question. Can I connect the Nintendo Wii through the amp via HDMI aswell? Cheers |
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Thanks guys. Got it working a treat now.
Once last question. Can I connect the Nintendo Wii through the amp via HDMI aswell? Cheers |
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Thanks guys. Got it working a treat now.
Once last question. Can I connect the Nintendo Wii through the amp via HDMI aswell? Cheers |
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Afraid not, the 309 doesn't support video upconvert, you'll have to connect via component - Graham's post above explains the connections you require for audio and video.
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home cinema receievers generally have multiple inputs
- hdmi, phonos, etc etc - and a single hdmi - output to the TV, but maybe also other outputs, such as component. ------ the idea is that you can plug all your inputs into the receiver (blu-ray, satellite, games consoles etc), and by switching thre input selector automatically route the picture to the TV, and the sound to the speakers. that's why they have so many sockets at the back. it also means you don't have to change AV settings on the telly to pick up a different input. it also helps when you need more inputs than the TV offers. some receivers will feed the signals to the TV when turned off, but not all hope this helps - you probably found all this out anyway. |
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Does that matter? The amp will simply pass on the video data to the TV "as is" and the TV can take care of any upscaling required.
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Does that matter? The amp will simply pass on the video data to the TV "as is" and the TV can take care of any upscaling required.
Does it matter, it could do, depends where the amp, Wii and TV are in relation to one another for connecting additional cables, using a single HDMI cable already connected to the TV and the amp is so much simpler - video upconvert allows you to do this. |
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The OP wanted to connect their Wii via HDMI to the amp, I'm assuming they wanted to use the amp for switching, the Wii only has component, they could have connected it to the amp via component and used video upconvert to convert it to HDMI, as it hasn't they have no option but to connect via component, either to the TV or use two sets of cables and use the amp.
Does it matter, it could do, depends where the amp, Wii and TV are in relation to one another for connecting additional cables. Using a single HDMI cable already connected to the TV and the amp is so much simpler - video upconvert allows you to do this. |
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home cinema receievers generally have multiple inputs
- hdmi, phonos, etc etc - and a single hdmi - output to the TV, but maybe also other outputs, such as component. ------ the idea is that you can plug all your inputs into the receiver (blu-ray, satellite, games consoles etc), and by switching thre input selector automatically route the picture to the TV, and the sound to the speakers. that's why they have so many sockets at the back. it also means you don't have to change AV settings on the telly to pick up a different input. it also helps when you need more inputs than the TV offers. some receivers will feed the signals to the TV when turned off, but not all hope this helps - you probably found all this out anyway. Using a single type connection like HDMI where all devices are CEC compliant then auto switching can be achieved, all my equipment is connected via HDMI, but I still have to manually select it on the TV, unless I leave it on HDMI when I switch it off, which I tend to do more nowadays. |
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Ah right. I was assuming that because the OP mentioned HDMI that there was a HDMI connection available that may have been in use already and simply wanted to shift it from TV to amp.
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The 309, according to the manual online, does NOT do upscaling/upconverting of the video signals so you would have to connect the WII direct to the TV for the video. You can still connect the audio to the amp if you wish, or if your TV supports audio return, connect the audio to the TV and it will pass the audio down the HDMI lead back to the amp when required.
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