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Believe me: She's not nice.
![]() Katarina Witt is one of the most annoying celebrities we've got in Germany. She always wears the same fake smile, and I guess she would be ready to sell her own grandmother if the price was right. In the 80s, she was one of the most privileged athletes in the GDR, she praised the socialist system, she even held a speech in the East German parliament ("What I have achieved - I owe it all to the GDR"). A few years later, she immediately blended in with the new capitalist system, using her good looks and her Olympic medals as a door opener. Katarine Witt is probably the only East German "Wendehals" (turncoat) that got away with this kind of opportunism. All other celebrities and politicians who tried to do this have failed in one way or another. |
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It is exactly the same as China these days - very few are outspoken. And don't even go there on the old Soviet Union - they looked like control freaks
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Believe me: She's not nice.
![]() Katarina Witt is one of the most annoying celebrities we've got in Germany. She always wears the same fake smile, and I guess she would be ready to sell her own grandmother if the price was right. In the 80s, she was one of the most privileged athletes in the GDR, she praised the socialist system, she even held a speech in the East German parliament ("What I have achieved - I owe it all to the GDR"). A few years later, she immediately blended in with the new capitalist system, using her good looks and her Olympic medals as a door opener. Katarine Witt is probably the only East German "Wendehals" (turncoat) that got away with this kind of opportunism. All other celebrities and politicians who tried to do this have failed in one way or another. and I'd be frightened for my family.If you do dislike her so much and find her very annoying - I tell you what - we'll keep the lovely, talented Katarina Witt and you can have the uber annoying Katie Price and just to show how generous us Brits are we'll throw in Kerry Katona.....there that's a good swap....you can't say fairer than that
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As others have said I think you're being very harsh! I suspect it was either conform or die under the old Eastern European regimes! It would be one of my worst nightmares to have to live in a totalitarian country wher torture exists and didn't allow freedom of thought and speech - if I had lived in one though I suspect I'd conform because I'm a coward
and I'd be frightened for my family.If you do dislike her so much and find her very annoying - I tell you what - we'll keep the lovely, talented Katarina Witt and you can have the uber annoying Katie Price and just to show how generous us Brits are we'll throw in Kerry Katona.....there that's a good swap....you can't say fairer than that ![]() You have your view of her and think she is wonderful but you have to also take into account that this is someone who has potentially seen that there is more to her. Any other issues aside everyone is entitled to their opinion and if they think that Katarina is not nice based on what they know of her then it is their right to express that opinion. |
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I think you and penelopesimpson are being a bit harsh to the poster here. They are from the same country and have seen this progress through the years so they are in the best position to comment on what they seen going on with her in their home country. People here will only know her from her performances not what she did in Germany as such so we can't judge and say this poster is wrong.
You have your view of her and think she is wonderful but you have to also take into account that this is someone who has potentially seen that there is more to her. Any other issues aside everyone is entitled to their opinion and if they think that Katarina is not nice based on what they know of her then it is their right to express that opinion. The poster was criticising her for praising the GDR system but the question that penelope posed still stands - how would Katarina have been able to become a skating star if she hadn't? The 'annoying' argument I wasn't convinced by either. |
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The poster is entitled to their express their opinion but we're entitled to disagree with it and they didn't really give any strong enough reasons to dislike her. I don't agree that just because they're based in Germany that somehow makes their opinion more valid.
The poster was criticising her for praising the GDR system but the question that penelope posed still stands - how would Katarina have been able to become a skating star if she hadn't? The 'annoying' argument I wasn't convinced by either. You are obviously a Katarina fan and when you are a fan you can see no wrong in them and have been there and done that myself in the past so know how it goes but this person has obviously seen her actions through the years and knows enough to know she maybe isn't as perfect as people believe its hardly fair to say that they are being harsh if what they have seen is true. Even Wiki makes reference to her having to be basically bribed to stop her from defecting Quote:
Following the dissolution of East Germany, Ministerium für Staatssicherheit (Stasi) files were found to show that the secret police had worked hard to keep Witt from defecting by giving her cars, accommodations, and permitted travel.[
So yes it is reasonable for them to have the opinion that she is not that nice a person. So while here she may be considered wonderful in her homecountry she may be less so and I don't think its harsh of the poster if they are telling what they know of her.I like her as a skater but I can see it from this posters point of view. |
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Oh come on, get real. How on earth could anyone have been a major sports star in the GDR and criticise the system?
What I find fishy about Kati Witt is her fast-track adjustment to the new system. In the 80s, West German media named her "the most beautiful face of socialism". In the early 90s, she already had a sort of americanised aura about her. She just doesn't seem authentic to me. In fact, she never did. But of course I have to acknowledge that she's a worldwide figurehead of German sports. For example, she was an ambassador of Munich's candidacy for the 2018 Winter Olympics. |
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Its not praising the GDR the poster has issues with its the fact she became in their words a turncoat because she then basically changed sides to suit her own means. People here only see the pretty skating and think she is wonderful from that. The poster has obviously seen from being in Germany at the time another side to her and if you weren't there through that time then you cannot say that it is wrong.
You are obviously a Katarina fan and when you are a fan you can see no wrong in them and have been there and done that myself in the past so know how it goes but this person has obviously seen her actions through the years and knows enough to know she maybe isn't as perfect as people believe its hardly fair to say that they are being harsh if what they have seen is true. Even Wiki makes reference to her having to be basically bribed to stop her from defecting So yes it is reasonable for them to have the opinion that she is not that nice a person. So while here she may be considered wonderful in her homecountry she may be less so and I don't think its harsh of the poster if they are telling what they know of her. I like her as a skater but I can see it from this posters point of view. It's not just because she's talented I'm cutting her slack- believe me there are plenty of celebrities whose talent I admire but I dislike them as people - though I save my real scorn for ghastly untalented z listers like Price and Katona! I bet they don't have anyone has ghastly as those two in Germany - perhaps Karl should thank his lucky stars for that! |
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I bet they don't have anyone has ghastly as those two in Germany - perhaps Karl should thank his lucky stars for that!
For example, we've got Verona Pooth and Daniela Katzenberger. And by the way, RTL has just sent Brigitte Nielsen to the Australian jungle. ![]() Quote:
If you do dislike her so much and find her very annoying - I tell you what - we'll keep the lovely, talented Katarina Witt and you can have the uber annoying Katie Price and just to show how generous us Brits are we'll throw in Kerry Katona.....there that's a good swap....you can't say fairer than that
![]() However, I'd gladly take singers like Sharleen Spiteri, Sian Evans or Amy MacDonald instead.
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Its amazing isn't how appearing on television results in adoration no matter what the person is like.
I have noticed this particularly with DOI that is watched by lots of children. The children admire these professional skaters so much and yet in my experience the majority can't be bothered to acknowledge them. A beautiful face and great body will never substitute for an ugly attitude and a hateful heart. |
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Its amazing isn't how appearing on television results in adoration no matter what the person is like.
I have noticed this particularly with DOI that is watched by lots of children. The children admire these professional skaters so much and yet in my experience the majority can't be bothered to acknowledge them. A beautiful face and great body will never substitute for an ugly attitude and a hateful heart. |
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The children admire these professional skaters so much and yet in my experience the majority can't be bothered to acknowledge them. . |
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As with Tiger Rose, my niece meet Matt E, and were more than happy to chat with her and acknowledge when they saw her whilst training at a local rink
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I didn't say all !!! I really don't want to go into greater detail, but some of them have a very poor attitude indeed believe me .
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Mind you , if you look on Twitter some haven't got time for their own children let alone anyone else's !!!
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Her grammar and syntax was a bit like Yoda.
She's one class act. |
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Can't believe anyone is questioning her right to be on this show.....she is a genuine all time great figure skater (2 Olympic titles for starters) and this show is lucky to have a genuine skating superstar on it.
....couldn't help noticing that Robin described himself as a Free skating world champion in the judges profile last week....he won the professional versions of this title rather than the type that were competed for by competitors during their prime international careers.I seem to recall that Robin could be relied upon to fluff the Figures part of major championships on most occasions and although his Free programmes allowed him to rally he was usually a safe bet NOT to win the equivalent of titles that Witt would win regularly with ease........just saying. |
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Point taken, but there's a difference between "not criticising" and "praising" the system. The GDR had many successful athletes but very few of them openly rose to speak for the system. One notable exception was cyclist Täve Schur - but at least he's not an opportunist: He was a member of the GDR parliament for 30 years and later a member of the Bundestag for PDS, the East German socialist party.
What I find fishy about Kati Witt is her fast-track adjustment to the new system. In the 80s, West German media named her "the most beautiful face of socialism". In the early 90s, she already had a sort of americanised aura about her. She just doesn't seem authentic to me. In fact, she never did. But of course I have to acknowledge that she's a worldwide figurehead of German sports. For example, she was an ambassador of Munich's candidacy for the 2018 Winter Olympics. |
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Katarina was great tonight! Really knows What she's talking about and is very amusing too.
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Its amazing isn't how appearing on television results in adoration no matter what the person is like.
I have noticed this particularly with DOI that is watched by lots of children. The children admire these professional skaters so much and yet in my experience the majority can't be bothered to acknowledge them. A beautiful face and great body will never substitute for an ugly attitude and a hateful heart. |
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She wasn't waffling she was explaining why she was saving him & I think people would also have preferred a proper explanation from Robin too because it didn't make sense from a skating perspective.
They should be made to say why they are saving (or not) someone, so that we at home can understand. There was no earthly reason to send Andy home last week, until, of course, you watched this week's show and realised that had they kept Andy in, there would have been too many good male celebs and very few good female celebs. That wouldn't matter to me, it's often been the other way round and I'm fed up with female celebs just being lifted up and swung around and then getting high marks. At least the male celebs can't hide behind their partners.
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It's nice to have a female judge who isn't touted as "bitchy" or "Ice queen" or anything like that.
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I had absolutely no problem in understanding Katarina.
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Katarina Witt has a natural wit.
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I like her input but concede there are those with issues if they have knowledge of something detrimental about her. Even so, it's her judging on the panel we are concerned with here.
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Katarina was great tonight! Really knows What she's talking about and is very amusing too.
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For example, we've got Verona Pooth and Daniela Katzenberger. And by the way, RTL has just sent Brigitte Nielsen to the Australian jungle. 