tangoqueen - I've read all of the responses on this topic.

I've haven't read a single so-called alternative explanation for the omission of the judges' analysis of Harry's Charleston which I didn't consider to be a feeble attempt to muddy the waters.

If you actually believe that a credible alternative explanation has been offered then why don't you simply repeat it?

Because I don't post like you do and repeat things that don't need repeating.

Am sorry to say it, and don't care if I get banned for doing so, but to be frank, for many long time posters like me, posts like yours kill the forum and the whole ethos behind it, and make people want to stop posting, because if anyone answers one of your posts, you then carry on repeating yourself endlessly and don't take the hint when people try to ask you nicely to discuss rather than just endlessly repeating your own point of view.

Hence I rarely post now - but still read my own thread and posts by some truly lovely posters on all threads who offer an opinion, respect others' opinions whilst still holding onto their own, can have a proper argument/discussion without rancour, and have a sense of humour in the process.

None of yours fall into that category .

Highly amusing - considering that I'm the one looking to discuss this issue, and you and your fellow Harry worshipers have been insisting from Day 1 that there's nothing to discuss.

For what it's worth I was confident that you would prefer not to remind us all of the alleged alternative explanations to which you referred. If people can't see them they can't laugh at them.

You know what you win it is all one big fix. Now lets move on please.

FFS give it a rest. I gave you a reasonable explanation days ago which you ignored. And I'm not a Harry worshipper. I'm getting totally fed up with the whole thing. It's over, nothing you say will change the result, please stop!!

I was under the impression it was a timing issue......

Bruce had waffled on for so long at the beginning of the show that the show was running off schedule and that is why we only had a comment from Len

<... puts on tin-foil hat>

Yeah - all you H&A fanz and Chelseeeeeeeee hatahz! cos I is now protected.

It's *obvious* that the BBC is grooming Harry to become the next presenter of the 9 o' Clock news and so this 'supposed' contest was rigged up to increase his exposure to the correct demographic.

Len, Craig and Bruno also Alesha... (fankdelordysheisgone) were FORCED to co-conspire with the threat of losing their jobs.

THAT is why Moira is leaving. OBVIOUSLY someone, somewhere, has considered this a fix TOO FAR.

<... picks up shoe and starts chewing. Realises mistake when she tried to slip a prawn sandwich on her feet. Stares at computer monitor... and waits...>

EXACTLY! As both myself and so many other people have said but apparently we are just "muddying the waters".

how the hell is that muddying the water?

I have no idea, ask the OP, that's what she keeps saying.

I actually prefer to think of it as watering the mud.

... perhaps it's a euphemism for talking some sense.

I dunno.

<... replaces tin-foil hat>

Chelseeeecharlston4evah!

<... flicks prawns off her toes>

OP - care to explain why?

Not sure I understand why the explanations you have been given about the timing issues on the show are "muddying the waters"

For the umpteenth time -

1. Harry's dance was the first of the evening. I watched the show live, and I don't recall anything happening which could have accounted for the show already running behind schedule when the first couple set foot on the floor.

2. If the show really was running behind schedule the teleprompter would surely have been telling Bruce to leave both the introduction of the band and his long-winded joke until later, and to go straight to the judges' analysis.

ok, dont get your knickers in a twist!!

Clearly something (who knows what) made the show run behind schedule and that was the reasoning for only asking for Lens comments

Just because you were there and didnt see anything doesnt mean the show wasnt running behind schedule

1. Ah - you clearly don't remember Derren Brown's hypnotic appearance then. Something to do with making people believe a Charleston had been cr@pper than cr@p when it actually had been not half bad.*

2. Bruce can't read.**

* This may not have happened

** The veracity of this may be questionable

(I know I'm going to regret this!) All the teleprompt does is show - in very large letters - what Bruce is supposed to say - when he actually keeps to the script, that is. He doesn't wear an earpiece which is why Tess quite often has to gee him along to try and keep to the timing of the show. He would have been told by the studio manager before he came back onto the floor after the dance to only go to one judge as they were over-running - and it would have been impossible to tell Bruce to leave anything as he considers it to be "his" show and God forbid anyone should tell him to cut any of his jokes, etc. I watched the show live (on my tv) and it was quite obvious to me that Bruce had gone on for far too long at the beginning - and all they were trying to do was catch up the time as it was bound to over-run even more later on.

to be honest, it doesnt really matter does it? although clearly it does to the OP - it doesnt seem to bother anyone else!

the scores from Alesha, Bruno and Craig clearly tell me they enjoyed the performance whether they commented on it or not

As stated in another thread somewhere on here I get to see the voting figures for the show. I can't give the exact figures but have posted on the 2012 spoiler thread some info. Hope it helps.

just read it, thank you very much for sharing - always interesting which way the voting is going

I saw that thanks. But would Harry have made the final at all if Craig and Len had savaged his Charleston? With marks of 6s and 7s for his first dance the pressure might have been such that he messed up his second dance. Two couples were eliminated that day - perhaps his combined mark would have been that low that the public vote couldn't save him.

It's no surprise though that Harry had it in the bag by the end of the first part of the final. But I refuse to believe it's a coincidence that the judges overlooked Chelsee's Paso for the final, and picked a dance calculated to attract not a single voter who wouldn't have voted for her in any event as a result of her show dance. I believe that they deliberately wasted her first dance of the evening in order to give Harry a better chance of winning.

Even a slow ballroom dance would have given Chelsee a far better opportunity to capture the votes of viewers who hadn't been following the competition.

with due defference to the non app thread

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OH dear God

You poor soul! You REALLY REALLY don't watch, listen or read anything do you!

Harry Worshipper! LOLOLOLOL! oh dear oh dear how I cried!

I'm not. *cough*

Just think that your posts indicate that you like the sound of your own voice LOL!

I don't think I've had QUITE such a good laugh in ages!

Thank you for that!

What are you on, btw? Have you got any more?

For the sake of everyone, give it a blooming rest!

you are like a dog with a bone - you just wont let it go will you!!!!!!

Believe what you like - it wont change anything will it

absolutely true - I wanted Chelsee to win but thought Harry was best on the night and therefore a very worthy winner. You can't disagree with that (not if you know anything about actual dancing anyway) - he edged it overall and deserved it. Chelsee danced poorly on the night (or I felt she did) and so it was a no-brainer really.

you know what they say about dogs and bones, olive, hey