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Will the Windows 8 Tablets be any good or wait for the next iPad?
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Gormond
14-01-2012
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Apart from the GUI Windows tablets hardly has much to do to match IOS.

Windows has to compete with Android for tasking ability and computer functionality.
It's users also won't want to be compromised.”

Well apart from having thousands of great apps that allow you to easily do almost anything.

Running apps meant for a mouse and keyboard on a touch screen is an awful experience.

Also I have doubts on how fast Windows 8 tablets will need to be in order to get a good user experience and what battery life will be like.
alanwarwic
14-01-2012
Apps will be all designed dual usage in 12 or so months anyway, at least for Android tablet computers.

ARM Windows Platforms won't be able to boot into anything but Windows so they might be more 'throw away'.
That will be a distinct difference between Windows Intel and Windows ARM.

I'm also still assuming 'Desktop mode' will be a future option/purchase. Obviously it won't be there initially.
Zack06
14-01-2012
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Apps will be all designed dual usage in 12 or so months anyway, at least for Android tablet computers.

ARM Windows Platforms won't be able to boot into anything but Windows so they might be more 'throw away'.
That will be a distinct difference between Windows Intel and Windows ARM.

I'm also still assuming 'Desktop mode' will be a future option/purchase. Obviously it won't be there initially.”

The desktop mode is baked into the OS....I'm almost certain the desktop mode will be there on the ARM version of Windows 8....what's the point of locking out the desktop mode...they will just lose sales to iPad and Android..

The ARM versions obviously won't be able to run x86 apps, MS have already ported Office to ARM, and I suspect other developers are doing the same with their programs...

To be honest that will be the only difference between ARM and x86....performance wise I would say there is minimal difference.
whoever,hey
14-01-2012
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“Well apart from having thousands of great apps that allow you to easily do almost anything.

Running apps meant for a mouse and keyboard on a touch screen is an awful experience.

Also I have doubts on how fast Windows 8 tablets will need to be in order to get a good user experience and what battery life will be like.”

I really struggle to share data between my iPhone and PC. It doesn't even manage to be a USB stick.
noise747
14-01-2012
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“I would go for a proper tablet OS such as Android or iOS”

i would go for a Android base one myself if I was going for one, ipad is over priced for me.

I noticed Ideal world have got a Viewsonic, looks ok for the price.
i don't think I would buy a windows 8 based tablet to be honest or mobile phone for that matter.


Saying that I not really in the market for a tablet, still don't see what use I would have for one.
noise747
14-01-2012
Originally Posted by TheBigM:
“Well for one thing, it might not necessarily be an ARM tablet one gets.

Intel are apparently making great progress on the SoC front allowing them to make much thinner, lighter, cooler, energy efficient x86 tablets. These will have the best of both worlds. You can run all those metro apps when you're in tablet form. You can dock and run all those windows 7 applications laptop-style.

PC Pro recently tried to use iPad and Android tablets instead of PCs for a day, the results were not good. They even used bluetooth keyboards. You can see their results. Even a Windows 7 tablet would probably have fared better for them.

Besides, I dislike the interface of all the Android tablets I've seen so far.”



that is another good reason to stay away from Windows based tablets, they no doubt use Intel, I stay away from intel as much as I can.
Gormond
14-01-2012
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“The desktop mode is baked into the OS....I'm almost certain the desktop mode will be there on the ARM version of Windows 8....what's the point of locking out the desktop mode...they will just lose sales to iPad and Android..

The ARM versions obviously won't be able to run x86 apps, MS have already ported Office to ARM, and I suspect other developers are doing the same with their programs...

To be honest that will be the only difference between ARM and x86....performance wise I would say there is minimal difference.”

Is it?

My understanding was that when they ported windows across to ARM they didn't port the old GUI, if so there will just be the Metro UI.
Zack06
14-01-2012
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“Is it?

My understanding was that when they ported windows across to ARM they didn't port the old GUI, if so there will just be the Metro UI.”

They definitely definitely ported the old UI to ARM...watch this and they clearly show the old UI (and Office) running fully on ARM....

The issue is that MS are considering axing the Desktop mode on ARM versions to compete with the iPad but at the moment the desktop does run on ARM....there's no reason why it wouldn't tbh...
alanwarwic
14-01-2012
I don't thinks that's a major issue.

As the iPad develops IOS it will also become bloaty out of necessity. The way it is now every developer has to reinvent the wheel and duplicate coding on every single app.
Its the same for Android too without extra framework type stuff.
TheBigM
14-01-2012
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Apart from the GUI Windows tablets hardly has much to do to match IOS.

Windows has to compete with Android for tasking ability and computer functionality.
It's users also won't want to be compromised
.”

Are you serious with this statement? Have you never used a Windows PC before? There is no more functional OS than Windows OS.

Windows 8 is Windows 7 + new stuff like Storage Spaces + Metro (in terms of OS and apps).

You can take any Windows 7 tablet today, plug a printer in and print a document. You can't do that with Android or iOS tablets.
Gormond
14-01-2012
Originally Posted by TheBigM:
“Are you serious with this statement? Have you never used a Windows PC before? There is no more functional OS than Windows OS.

Windows 8 is Windows 7 + new stuff like Storage Spaces + Metro (in terms of OS and apps).

You can take any Windows 7 tablet today, plug a printer in and print a document. You can't do that with Android or iOS tablets.”

OSX and linux have far more functionality IMO including powerful shell scripting.
neo_wales
15-01-2012
I'm in the market for a computer Tablet so which one? Ipad2? Not for me, I'm no fan of Apple so I looked at the Zoom which seems to be the better machine and I've come close to buying one several times but with the W8 tablet only a few months away I'll wait and see. I don't think the OP is in a rush to buy, like me he wants but does not need one, for me whatever I buy will just be a toy, something to play with when away from home.

This years keynote is worth a watch
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/e...eogallery.aspx
Its stressed that 8 will be happy with either X86 or ARM and will run on any machine capable of running 7.
noise747
15-01-2012
Originally Posted by TheBigM:
“Are you serious with this statement? Have you never used a Windows PC before? There is no more functional OS than Windows OS.

Windows 8 is Windows 7 + new stuff like Storage Spaces + Metro (in terms of OS and apps).
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Metro is a right pain, it really is, i think it is the start of Microsoft getting rid of the normal Windows set up, which would be stupid, very stupid. I can see windows 9 or 10 being metro only, so it will not really be windows then.

windows 8 is also to integrated into MS cloud service, I know you don't have to use their cloud services or register for it, but how long will that stay?

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You can take any Windows 7 tablet today, plug a printer in and print a document. You can't do that with Android or iOS tablets.”

By wi-fi you can with many printers, but I do see what you mean. but how many people will print from a tablet anyway? most people will connect it to a proper computer and get the info that way.
Gormond
15-01-2012
Originally Posted by noise747:
“Metro is a right pain, it really is, i think it is the start of Microsoft getting rid of the normal Windows set up, which would be stupid, very stupid. I can see windows 9 or 10 being metro only, so it will not really be windows then.

windows 8 is also to integrated into MS cloud service, I know you don't have to use their cloud services or register for it, but how long will that stay?



By wi-fi you can with many printers, but I do see what you mean. but how many people will print from a tablet anyway? most people will connect it to a proper computer and get the info that way.”

Actually I print from my iPad and iPhone often so it depends on the person.
TheBigM
15-01-2012
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“OSX and linux have far more functionality IMO including powerful shell scripting.”

The title of this thread is iPad 3 vs Win8. I was responding to a comment about functionality in Windows 8 versus Android. Your comment is quite irrelevant in the context of this thread. iOS != OS X. Android is not as fully featured as a desktop-class linux distribution.

In any case, Windows features PowerShell.

Originally Posted by Gormond:
“Actually I print from my iPad and iPhone often so it depends on the person.”

iOS does not have a built-in print subsystem. As I understand it, Android devices have to use things like Google Cloud Print to do printing. The Apple devices have something similar - AirPrint. You need an AirPrint compatible printer too.

What a lot of faff. For most people with an existing set-up in their house, e.g. a printer connected to a desktop in the study. They buy a windows tablet, the computer with attached printer appears. They print, job done.

Of course there are plenty of other examples out there, does ICS do pooled storage yet? It definitely can't do thin provisioning of virtual storage.

Originally Posted by noise747:
“Metro is a right pain, it really is, i think it is the start of Microsoft getting rid of the normal Windows set up, which would be stupid, very stupid. I can see windows 9 or 10 being metro only, so it will not really be windows then.

windows 8 is also to integrated into MS cloud service, I know you don't have to use their cloud services or register for it, but how long will that stay?

By wi-fi you can with many printers, but I do see what you mean. but how many people will print from a tablet anyway? most people will connect it to a proper computer and get the info that way.”

Let's be clear: YOU find metro a "right pain"? Not everyone as some kind of fact. But you have a history of being resistant to UI change with not liking the Office ribbon which is a masterpiece in exposing lots of high-density functionality in a simple and customisable way.

Microsoft haven't really revealed anything at all about the next wave of windows live services that will come with windows 8. So whatever you are saying on that front is pure conjecture.
neo_wales
15-01-2012
I enjoyed last nights keynote presentation, another thing stressed was that 8 is NOT just for touch screens its equally happy with a mouse or keyboard for that matter.

Metro is just a different look, couple of weeks into using it and you'll forget about your traditional windows setup in my opinion.
hotmat3k
15-01-2012
It's amazing to see how many of you trying to predict what's going to happen or think you know already. Let's put it into perspective.

iPad = Has a mature iOS closely linked the iPhone. Very dedicated fan base. Easy to use platform and can be used straight out of the box now. Access to the biggest digital app/music/film/book stores.

Android = Semi-mature and easily deployable from multi-vendors. No dedicated software support, but plenty of advice around and dedicated sites. Also customisable for the geek elite with custom ROMs. Again, very solid app store.

Windows 8? = We know Windows based tablets have failed for being power hungry, ineffective and not dedicated to touch-screen purposes. So M$ will need to shift that old reputation for almost destroying the touch-screen based products in the late 90s/early-2000s. Will x86 platforms work again? Probably not unless Intel can create a magically low-power chip that does efficiency like the ARM chips in Android/Apple devices.
Zack06
15-01-2012
Originally Posted by hotmat3k:
“Windows 8? = We know Windows based tablets have failed for being power hungry, ineffective and not dedicated to touch-screen purposes. So M$ will need to shift that old reputation for almost destroying the touch-screen based products in the late 90s/early-2000s. Will x86 platforms work again? Probably not unless Intel can create a magically low-power chip that does efficiency like the ARM chips in Android/Apple devices.”

Earlier tablets had older more power hungry versions of Windows.

Windows 8 has been optimised with tablets in mind....they've already managed to half the RAM consumption compared with Windows 7, so it may be a different situation tbh.
Vennegoor
15-01-2012
If the tablets run as well we Windows Mango Phones I'll be first in the queue, that is an awesome operating system.
neo_wales
16-01-2012
Originally Posted by hotmat3k:
“It's amazing to see how many of you trying to predict what's going to happen or think you know already. Let's put it into perspective.

iPad = Has a mature iOS closely linked the iPhone. Very dedicated fan base. Easy to use platform and can be used straight out of the box now. Access to the biggest digital app/music/film/book stores.

Android = Semi-mature and easily deployable from multi-vendors. No dedicated software support, but plenty of advice around and dedicated sites. Also customisable for the geek elite with custom ROMs. Again, very solid app store.

Windows 8? = We know Windows based tablets have failed for being power hungry, ineffective and not dedicated to touch-screen purposes. So M$ will need to shift that old reputation for almost destroying the touch-screen based products in the late 90s/early-2000s. Will x86 platforms work again? Probably not unless Intel can create a magically low-power chip that does efficiency like the ARM chips in Android/Apple devices.”

Watch the keynote talk, 8 will work with x86 and ARM. I'm a Windows and Android user and as I said earlier don't want an ipad but am in no rush so I'll wait and see how 8 works out before buying a pad. Having another major player in the pad market can only be a good thing for consumers.
noise747
16-01-2012
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“Actually I print from my iPad and iPhone often so it depends on the person.”

But many won't. I would not mind a wi-fi printer myself so I could print from my laptop and phone with ease, not that i have ever wanted to print with from my phone yet.

The problem is most Wi-fi printers have a scanner stuck to them, I don't want or need another scanner.
noise747
16-01-2012
[quote=TheBigM;55927664]

Let's be clear: YOU find metro a "right pain"? Not everyone as some kind of fact. But you have a history of being resistant to UI change with not liking the Office ribbon which is a masterpiece in exposing lots of high-density functionality in a simple and customisable way.
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Do you work for Microsoft?
the ribbon is not masterpiece, it is horrid, i have met very few people that likes it apart from some on here.

We will see how well Metro takes off on desktop, it may be like Vista and Me and fail. you would have thought MS would put in a way to go back to booting up in normal windows, but it seems like you have metro first and then go to windows.
there is a hack that will get rid of Metro and go back to the normal start menu, but I can see Ms getting rid of that once they bring the beta out, would be a good idea to make that easier to access.

I think MS have lost the plot to be honest.






Microsoft haven't really revealed anything at all about the next wave of windows live services that will come with windows 8. So whatever you are saying on that front is pure conjecture.”

noise747
16-01-2012
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“I enjoyed last nights keynote presentation, another thing stressed was that 8 is NOT just for touch screens its equally happy with a mouse or keyboard for that matter.

Metro is just a different look, couple of weeks into using it and you'll forget about your traditional windows setup in my opinion.”

It is more difficult to launch normal software with the metro interface, and if you got a lot on the metro interface you be scrolling along all day to try and find what you want.

What the hell is it with these companies that likes changing things that flipping works? Oh yes, it is all about flipping apps.

Most of them useless waste of time apps most of them
neo_wales
16-01-2012
I recommend you watch the keynote speech for a demonstration before you post further on the subject.

I'll be putting together a new PC when the Ivy Bridge range come out and will go the 8 route then. In the past I've always waited a year or more before upgrading Windows but 7 is great and my lad rates 8 highly so I'll jump in early this time.

The grandchildren love the Kinect on the 360 so I'll have a go with the PC version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-wLOfjVfVc Don't need it, just a toy for boys really lol.

Worth a look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrVOcE15WUo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFoCeyF8Ul8
late8
16-01-2012
Originally Posted by TheBigM:
“And why is windows 8 unsuited to tablets?”

Because its still Windows with a bolt on UI thingy similar to media centre.

The beauty of tablet OS's like ios and android is that they are dedicated and simple - especially IOS.

From the examples of Windows 8 I have tried on PC its an absolute bitch to use. Looks simple in the vids but there are menus and inconsistency everywhere. They have a long way to go.
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