[Pandora.]

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict

Tweets from people who've only just discovered that Titanic really existed

http://www.funnyordie.com/pictures/2...ures_and_words

Doh !

What the... seriously?

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Originally Posted by Kapellmeister

How on earth can people be so spectacularly thick?

They're too busy texting each other about who they fancy at school.

[shya100]

Originally Posted by kat180

Does anyone else think Annie Desmond's character might be modeled slightly on Violet Jessop?

I hope not because it seems that for all that her life was some bizarre sequence of maritime disasters she also seems to have been, if actuality isn't dramatic enough, quite the liar.

[kat180]

Originally Posted by shya100

I hope not because it seems that for all that her life was some bizarre sequence of maritime disasters she also seems to have been, if actuality isn't dramatic enough, quite the liar.

Really? In what way?

Its pretty crazy she was on all three sister ships and survived all three collisions.

[shya100]

Originally Posted by kat180

Really? In what way?

Its pretty crazy she was on all three sister ships and survived all three collisions.

The baby she was supposed to have rescued? Which has never been identified and that the only record of a babe in her lifeboat was one with another woman, and apparently she claimed to know these high profile people etc. I don't know you would think her story was dramatic enough.

[penelopesimpson]

Originally Posted by Kapellmeister

How on earth can people be so spectacularly thick?

They probably thought it was some kind of celebrity elimination game.

[kat180]

^ Actually now that you mention it I vaguely remember reading something about how her story about the baby was never confirmed.

It does sound off. Strange thing to make up though.

But I do wonder if Annie isn't loosely inspired by her. The proposal (according to Violet - take it as you will - they felt her youth and attractiveness would cause problems and didn't want to hire her at first - and she received 3 proposals at one point but I don't think that was on the Titanic), the scene in episode 3 where she asks to take the baby of the woman searching for her little boy (vaguely similar to the Violet's baby story), being told to get in the lifeboat because the other women needed her (Violet was put into lifeboat 16 I think as an example to the other women who were reluctant to get in).

[seejay63]

Originally Posted by stargazer61

Ah, the innocence of youth!

To be fair not all youngsters are so ignorant. My own children know quite a lot about it and they are age 15 and 12. Even my 7 year old knows about it.

[RFS]

As a bit of an aside - I was watching some of the (seemingly endless) documentaries on National Geographic... and in James Cameron's Last Mysteries of the Titanic (I think shot before his Last Word feature)... he is singing Murdoch's praises as a total hero. I felt it somewhat hypocritical that he didn't once acknowledge his portrayal, then, of Murdoch's tortured suicide and the ensuing uproar...

I also watched Ballard's "Save The Titanic"... interesting that he mentions by way of criticism the RMS Titanic Inc (of whom one of their curators was on James Cameron's Last Word feature).

I was captivated by Ballard's documentary about finding the wreck all those many many years ago.
I was also fascinated with Cameron's depiction of the break up of the ship, both in the film (way more than the Jack and Rose nonsense) and again in his Last Words piece.

It will be interesting to see who (of these two Explorers-in-Residence) get to now SAVE the Titanic ...

[Kapellmeister]

Originally Posted by RFS

As a bit of an aside - I was watching some of the (seemingly endless) documentaries on National Geographic... and in James Cameron's Last Mysteries of the Titanic (I think shot before his Last Word feature)... he is singing Murdoch's praises as a total hero. I felt it somewhat hypocritical that he didn't once acknowledge his portrayal, then, of Murdoch's tortured suicide and the ensuing uproar...

I also watched Ballard's "Save The Titanic"... interesting that he mentions by way of criticism the RMS Titanic Inc (of whom one of their curators was on James Cameron's Last Word feature).

I was captivated by Ballard's documentary about finding the wreck all those many many years ago.
I was also fascinated with Cameron's depiction of the break up of the ship, both in the film (way more than the Jack and Rose nonsense) and again in his Last Words piece.

It will be interesting to see who (of these two Explorers-in-Residence) get to now SAVE the Titanic ...

I find Cameron and 'Titanic Inc' totally repellent. I totally disagree with the way they've 'salvaged' artifacts from the ship willy nilly and then pimped them around the world and flogged them off.

5500 artifacts are being sold at auction today.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...83A01620120411

Hopefully they will be bought by a museum and go on permanent exhibition somewhere.

[BIDIE-IN]

I was thinking that rather than wasting money on yet another Titanic drama, ITV should have made "Carpathia" - picking up from when the distress signal was received to the frantic voyage to help and the sad sight of passengers in lifeboats but no Titanic which greeted them. They could then have looked into the search for bodies and what happened when Carpathia docked and the subsequent official inquiries in both the UK and the USA.

It would have been cheaper to make and given those interested a fresh 'take' on the tragic story.

[kat180]

Originally Posted by BIDIE-IN

I was thinking that rather than wasting money on yet another Titanic drama, ITV should have made "Carpathia" - picking up from when the distress signal was received to the frantic voyage to help and the sad sight of passengers in lifeboats but no Titanic which greeted them. They could then have looked into the search for bodies and what happened when Carpathia docked and the subsequent official inquiries in both the UK and the USA.

It would have been cheaper to make and given those interested a fresh 'take' on the tragic story.

I don't know - the Carpathia took around 4 hours to get there and there's not much of interest to make a good drama out of it. Apart from receiving the signal, and picking up the lifeboats there's nothing else I think would be all that interesting to watch.

I would have liked a drama of the inquiries, with flashbacks as people testified, using the real life testimonies. That would really be telling the story as it was.

[Kapellmeister]

Originally Posted by kat180

I would have liked a drama of the inquiries, with flashbacks as people testified, using the real life testimonies. That would really be telling the story as it was.

I was thinking just the same thing the other day while reading some of the witness accounts given at the British and American inquiries. It would've been like a courtroom drama, with witness statements, cross-questioning and flashback, illustrations of the relevant parts of the ship, timelines, etc. etc. It could've been fantastic. Instead with get that Fellowes trash!

What a letdown for the centenary of the event itself

[RFS]

Originally Posted by Kapellmeister

I was thinking just the same thing the other day while reading some of the witness accounts given at the British and American inquiries. It would've been like a courtroom drama, with witness statements, cross-questioning and flashback, illustrations of the relevant parts of the ship, timelines, etc. etc. It could've been fantastic. Instead with get that Fellowes trash!

What a letdown for the centenary of the event itself

I think there was something planned - with Richard E Grant as one of the voices. I am losing track of all of these documentaries. They are beginning to merge into one...

Agree that I think the spread of artefacts across casinos by RMS Titanic Inc to be... a touch distasteful.
And I am also beginning to find the coverage of the Titanic Memorial cruise a little disturbing. I get why and how they are covering it... and that just as in the day people would flock to buy souvenirs.

I don't know - just as we approach the 100th anniversary of that day - I just feel that there are other things that could be brought forward to help commemorate the event.

So many things came about as a result of the disaster - safety on board and provision of boats, the Iceberg Watch patrol, the dismantling of the class system! I know we bang on and on about Fellowes banging on and on about class, but it cannot be escaped that it was the way of things at that time.

We can look back now and be outraged about it, just as something like White Heat turns a spotlight on racial attitudes decades ago...

We cannot escape history... we can only learn from it, no?

[gilesb]

Originally Posted by kat180

^ Actually now that you mention it I vaguely remember reading something about how her story about the baby was never confirmed.

It does sound off. Strange thing to make up though.

But I do wonder if Annie isn't loosely inspired by her. The proposal (according to Violet - take it as you will - they felt her youth and attractiveness would cause problems and didn't want to hire her at first - and she received 3 proposals at one point but I don't think that was on the Titanic), the scene in episode 3 where she asks to take the baby of the woman searching for her little boy (vaguely similar to the Violet's baby story), being told to get in the lifeboat because the other women needed her (Violet was put into lifeboat 16 I think as an example to the other women who were reluctant to get in).

I think she must be inspired by Violet.

The lines about her putting on a life jacket to set a good example etc all indicate that violet is the inspiration for Annie.

Maybe they will next make a film about the other boat she was on that sank? After all Annie is probably the best character and JLC the best thing about the show.

[sarahj1986]

Ive got loads of Titanic shows set for record over the next week or so. I watched on the other night- Titanic - Birth of a legend on Discovery. I think its being repeated. I laughed part of the way through because the Act who plays Jim Mcdonald is Corrie and Butch Dingle in Emmerdale appear in it as the dramatisation surrounding the ships build. It was a really interesting show. Ive got loads of others to watch, including the conspiracy theories with Bernard Hill (who played Captain Smith)

[BIDIE-IN]

The Ch5 docu-drama 'Inside Titanic' was based on statements from the inquiry and re-enacted some 4 or 5 stories. It is still the best of the new programmes on the subject that I have seen.

Len Goodman's short series comes a close 2nd.

The ITV mega million pound drama is worth watching, but for all the wrong reasons!

[Pandora.]

I've found a list online of who dies and who survives... I haven't looked at it myself - I think I've just outed myself as enjoying the show

[kat180]

^ Lol. I admit it isn't the best show on tv but I have enjoyed talking about it here and I admit to enjoying Annie and Paolo and I'm anxious to see what happens to them. I don't care about the other characters unfortunately.

I'm hoping this last episode will really be what we've all been waiting and hoping for (doubtful but it could have a few good scenes in there)

[Mcdigestive]

Originally Posted by Pandora.

I've found a list online of who dies and who survives... I haven't looked at it myself - I think I've just outed myself as enjoying the show

I wonder if Annie dies

[Kapellmeister]

Originally Posted by kat180

I'm hoping this last episode will really be what we've all been waiting and hoping for (doubtful but it could have a few good scenes in there)

It's going to be predictably mawkish and sentimental, like Cameron's crappy film.

[CD93]

Originally Posted by Mcdigestive

I wonder if Annie dies

It might be Fellowes' plan. Build up the least used character from the start to be the overall favourite - then give her a tragic ending.

But I believe she will be fine in that boat. Paolo has another, much larger boat, to worry about however.

Also, going off the next episode preview

Spoiler

My predictions about Peter the Wallpaperer, or whatever he's called, coming to save the Italians seems to have been right!

[Pandora.]

Originally Posted by Mcdigestive

I wonder if Annie dies

Out of the 'Annie and Paolo' couple, you'd expect him to die and her to survive. I don't know much about Julian Fellowes' writing style though - is he one for twists?

[kat180]

Originally Posted by Pandora.

Out of the 'Annie and Paolo' couple, you'd expect him to die and her to survive. I don't know much about Julian Fellowes' writing style though - is he one for twists?

Thats what I'm expecting to be honest.

Spoiler

I know Annie is crying over someone with dark hair in one of the trailers.

[kat180]

Originally Posted by CD93

It might be Fellowes' plan. Build up the least used character from the start to be the overall favourite - then give her a tragic ending.

But I believe she will be fine in that boat. Paolo has another, much larger boat, to worry about however.

Also, going off the next episode preview

Spoiler

My predictions about Peter the Wallpaperer, or whatever he's called, coming to save the Italians seems to have been right!

Regarding spoiler above -

Spoiler

of course, that's why he conveniently put the hair pin the woman gave him earlier to open the jewelry box into his waistcoat pocket He needs no key lol!