Scottish referendum poll

smudges dad · 10/01/12 - 22:34

It would be interesting to see what people would vote for in a referendum about the future of Scotland in the Union.

Six possible options:
1. I'm a Scottish voter - full independence
2. I'm a Scottish voter - devolution max
3. I'm a Scottish voter - no change
4. I'm not a Scottish voter - full independence
5. I'm not a scottish voter - devolution max
6. I'm not a Scottish voter - no change

I think I'd go for option 2

BorderReiver · 10/01/12 - 22:40

I'm a Scottish voter - full independence

I'm Option 1, though I think any referendum should allow people who would prefer Option 2 to express that desire.

In a two question referendum resembling the last one drafted by the Scottish Government ie.

Would you like the Scottish Government to negotiate with Westminster to acheive the provisions of Devo-Max? Yes/No

Would you like the Scottish Government to go further and negotiate full Independence from the UK? Yes/No

I'd vote Yes/Yes.

maximilian · 10/01/12 - 22:42

I'm a Scottish voter - full independence

Option 1 would definitely be my first choice.

[Deleted User] · 10/01/12 - 22:47

I'm not a Scottish voter - full independence

I'm option 4. Not because I want to get rid of them, but because I can't see a reason why they shouldn't be.

BorderReiver · 10/01/12 - 22:47

I'm a Scottish voter - full independence

11 Votes in and nobody, Scottish or otherwise, has gone for the Status-Quo yet.

Surprising given the amount of people in other threads telling everyone who'll listen that Scottish Independence will never occur, and that Scotland is too small and too poor to function alone . . .

welwynrose · 10/01/12 - 22:48

You forgot the option

Not a Scottish Voter - Don't really care one way or the other

OLD HIPPY GUY · 10/01/12 - 22:49

How about an I'm not a Scotish voter, and while I sincerely hope they stay, Should they choose to go, I wish them all the best," option,

But it's for the Scotish people to decide, and for the Tories to try to dictate to the people of Scotland, when and how, and of whom the question should be asked, only goes to illustrate exactly WHY some Scots want independence,

You_mo · 10/01/12 - 22:55

I'm a Scottish voter - devolution max

I will be following the arguments carefully so I could change my opinions over the next two years!

Drunken Scouser · 10/01/12 - 22:56

I'm not a Scottish voter - devolution max

If the Scots do leave we should expect calls for regional devolution across England. I certainly wouldn't want a sole English Parliament. We're dominated by London and the south-east enough already, thanks.

woot_whoo · 10/01/12 - 22:58

I'm a Scottish voter - full independence

You_mo wrote: »

I will be following the arguments carefully so I could change my opinions over the next two years!

Seconded. At present I voted yes to independence (as a Scot), but I guess we'll see what happens in the next couple of years. I did start a thread earlier asking Unionists to present what they perceive to be the benefits of the status quo, but as of yet no one has offered any...

alanr74 · 10/01/12 - 22:58

I'm not a Scottish voter - full independence

Drunken Scouser wrote: »

If the Scots do leave we should expect calls for regional devolution across England. I certainly wouldn't want a sole English Parliament. We're dominated by London and the south-east enough already, thanks.

NE voted against that. England doesn't really want regional parliaments. we're happy with our god damn awful local councillors.

OLD HIPPY GUY · 10/01/12 - 23:03

Drunken Scouser wrote: »

If the Scots do leave we should expect calls for regional devolution across England. I certainly wouldn't want a sole English Parliament. We're dominated by London and the south-east enough already, thanks.

With you there comrade, perhaps we should ALL get together and tell 'that London' to "DO one"?

Or perhaps the Scots, Welsh, and northern Irish should have a little 'chat' and then say "Actually, WE aint leaving the union,............ YOU are,?

Drunken Scouser · 10/01/12 - 23:03

I'm not a Scottish voter - devolution max

alanr74 wrote: »

NE voted against that. England doesn't really want regional parliaments. we're happy with our god damn awful local councillors.

I think it was rejected because it was seen as a taling shop with little power. Perhaps if they'd been offered the same powers Holyrood has the result could have been different.

Indifference to regional parliaments could well change if regional resentments begin to bubble up more in England, as could well happen if the north is stuck with a perpetual Tory government in Westminster.

Whatever the structure, I'd certainly want a second layer of government with significant powers. Pretty much every other developed democracy does it this way.

Airam · 10/01/12 - 23:11

I'm a Scottish voter - full independence

The government obviously believes England has regions when they're considering regionallevel of pay in the public service. So a huge rise in pay in London can be expected, sucking in those from other regions.

Killer Gorilla · 10/01/12 - 23:11

I'm not a Scottish voter - full independence

OLD HIPPY GUY wrote: »

With you there comrade, perhaps we should ALL get together and tell 'that London' to "DO one"?

Erm, most London constituencies are Labour controlled.

Phil 2804 · 10/01/12 - 23:15

I'm not a Scottish voter - devolution max

Devo Max for me but for it to work it requires the whole UK to become federated.

Killer Gorilla · 10/01/12 - 23:23

I'm not a Scottish voter - full independence

They should become an entirely seperate country to the UK.

However I strongly suspect that when it comes down to it, Scots will bottle it and vote to stay in the UK.

Majlis · 10/01/12 - 23:27

I'm not a Scottish voter - full independence

I used not to care either way - but recently have changed to believing that Scotland should go its own way, simply tired of getting blamed for all their woes.

OLD HIPPY GUY · 10/01/12 - 23:32

Killer Gorilla wrote: »

Erm, most London constituencies are Labour controlled.

Fine then, all the Tory constituencies can "do one" where ever they are,........
NO, wait.... I live in a Tory constituency, a little island of blue in a sea of red, up here in the N/E.....

erm, I've not thought this through have I?

HeresyIsFreedom · 11/01/12 - 00:07

I'm not a Scottish voter - full independence

You need: Option 7: I am not a Scottish voter - accept the right of Scotland to self-determination if the people so wish it.

redstar81 · 11/01/12 - 00:16

I am ambivalent towards independence, but every time I see Cameron's smug shiny face I shift more to yes. I would imagine that independence would mean no more Tories for a long time......bliss!

rusty123 · 11/01/12 - 00:56

There wasn't an option for my way of thinking which is no referendum no change - my logic being based around the great unknown.....europe.

I don't think now is the time for all this. What we should be doing is putting on a united front and trying to attract long term investment from european interests that might be getting twitchy over the euro.
While we're faffing about re-enacting Braveheart wont those potential opportunities head east towards those growing economies in China, India and the like? This island can be a hard enough sell at the best of times.

It makes for a fun debate and I do enjoy the opportunity to wheel out the much loved "porridge gobbler" phrase when i'm feeling in a particularly mischievous mood but in all seriousness couldn't this keep for another 10-20-30 years?

rusty123 · 11/01/12 - 01:01

HeresyIsFreedom wrote: »

You need: Option 7: I am not a Scottish voter - accept the right of Scotland to self-determination if the people so wish it.

Add the words "but not before 2050 please" (or something to that effect) to the end and count me in as an option 7 also.

Phil 2804 · 11/01/12 - 03:52

I'm not a Scottish voter - devolution max

Majlis wrote: »

I used not to care either way - but recently have changed to believing that Scotland should go its own way, simply tired of getting blamed for all their woes.

When it comes down to it Thatcherism is responsible for many of the woes in this country. Whether that's sky high rail fares, a balooning benefits bill, a national housing shortage, a corrupt and immoral financial services sector that expects state welfare to pay for its mistakes...

With the continued denial of the English Tory party that there is anything wrong with their ideology is it any wonder the UK becomes less and less united by the day.

Glaston · 11/01/12 - 06:16

I'm not a Scottish voter - full independence

Phil 2804 wrote: »

When it comes down to it Thatcherism is responsible for many of the woes in this country. Whether that's sky high rail fares, a balooning benefits bill, a national housing shortage, a corrupt and immoral financial services sector that expects state welfare to pay for its mistakes...

With the continued denial of the English Tory party that there is anything wrong with their ideology is it any wonder the UK becomes less and less united by the day.

Good grief. :eek::eek: Way to go off topic.

I would vote for the Scots to just disappear.
Increasingly fed up with the constant whinging.

Majlis · 11/01/12 - 07:06

I'm not a Scottish voter - full independence

Phil 2804 wrote: »

When it comes down to it Thatcherism is responsible for many of the woes in this country.

Thatcher has been out of power for over 20 years and since then we have had 5 Elections - yet none of her core policies have been changed.

Seems that the electorate like your preferred policies even less than hers.

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