That was a great skate and deserved 6.0 he seems to mark certain people low marks even thought they deserve more.

Same thing happened last week with a certain skater.

Don't forget Louis is marking the dance performance as opposed to the skating technique. It was a really good skate but Sebastian is an athlete so could of course improve his dancing. Plus it's his first week so plenty of time to improve.

To be honest, I didn't particularly like Sebastian's skate much! It all seemed a bit awkward and disjointed for me, and him & Brianne didn't have much chemistry! He has the potential to do great though

It was almost as if he felt threatened by him. Louie is a successful, trained dancer, but Sebastien is also a professional dancer and even though he's not had formal training, he's the one who was in a Madonna video and went on tour with her.

It may be that Louie is a bit overly obsessed with "precision", and values that over the more spirited performances with character, as given by Sebastien, and even Andy last week. It will be a shame if he places too much emphasis on just one part of dance, which is an even smaller part of performance, but maybe he just needs to get it off of his chest. People like Robin and Katerina also judge performance, but Katerina in particular seems to have a very different opinion of what makes for a good performance.

Yes a good observation, something seems amiss to me.

i know i know i know..and i have one thing that i'm thinking in my mind..i just dont want to say it

The theme of the VT was thatSebastien was a solo skater and needed to dance with his partner - but that didn't show up much in his performance - and when he was alone, it was because they had choregraphed him to use what he could do alone. Louie seemed more impressed with Mathew just moving around at about the same velocity and doing simple lifts or Chico standing or moving behind his pro as she did the difficult move.

You can see why discipline, partnership and synchronisation is important to Louie, but you do wonder if he under marked the guy who can do the extreme moves he's made his name for and overmarked the dancer who he seems to like the look of. He's not even consistent - as if he was marking the dancing alone I doubt if Mathew was better than Jorgi or Jennifer.

Sebastian skated well - but there was no performance or chemistry with Brianne - I think Louis' marks have been quite consistant and good so far

Ditto.

why don't you just have the guts to say you think he's racist rather than starting a thread to hint at it?

perhaps he just didn't like their performance from a dance perspective and his marks were about that and had nothing to do with the colour of their skin .....

personally I wasn't keen on Seb's performance .. i thought he skated more like an ice hockey player and I didn't like the bits where he rolled around on the floor .. as other's have said as a pair's dance it was lacking in connection

I didn't like it much - the floor rolls didn't flow with the dance, just seemed like acrobatics to show off. Positionally I wouldn't have minded him dropped a couple of spots, actually, but after what happened with Andy A. I think they would be keen to avoid the same situation occurring twice consecutively.

I didn't like Sebastiens performance that much either. To me he is too much me me me and if it was about solo skating then yes he would be perfect but he is not connecting with Brianne in any way. I couldn't detect any chemistry and while there were a lot of moves they weren't really flowing together.

Certainly from a dance point of view it seemed a bit disjointed so can see why Louie marked him down rolling around on ice isn't really precision dance. Loiue is also right to be concerned about precision as a dancer that is a key thing you have to be precise and sharp in your movements otherwise it looks sloppy and silly.

He gave great marks to the dancer with the same dance background, and presumably training as him. They have both danced in West End shows. It is far more likely that's the kind of dance that appeals to him, and he sees the kind of technique in Andy that he has personally worked towards. I don't see it as any kind of conspiracy, just the potential for judging according to a narrow criteria. I think that's why he was so critical of Andy's dancing last week, even though a lot of people thought he showed natural dancing ability.

It's fine for him to reward precision (where that's important), but it's a shame he doesn't seem to be recognising flair. In last week's show, Andy's choreography was supposed to mimic the moves of Jagger, which weren't ever precise. It wasn't appropriate to judge him against a standard he wasn't trying to attain.

However, it's definitely fair to say that Sebastien has areas for improvement, such as his partner work, and improved precision wouldn't go amiss. I thought Louie only slightly under-marked him, but there was something in his tone that made me think he was glad he was able to find fault.

I don't for a second think that Louie didn't like Sebastien because he's black. That's outrageous IMO.

Personally I found his routine to look disjointed and somewhat messy. He also had zero chemistry with Brianne, and I mean I don't think I've seen a performance with less chemistry on the show.

So I don't think louie marked him low due to race, but because the performace was, minus some tricks, was pretty crap.

Same with Andy last week who was definitely average/slightly below average as a performance.

I never saw either guys as good and don't get the "travesty" with this. It's not like he gave Jorgie a 2 or something silly like that.

Also, Louie's only marked 4 other skaters higher than a 5 over both weeks, so 5 is a decent score from him - or does that not fit with your agenda?

i agree. I think with Andy A he might look and think what an undisciplined horror he would be if you were dance captain and had to teach him to dance to choregraphy.

I can see why he might like someone trained more like him. But I thought Jorgie and Jennifer were considerably better from the dancing angle alone, whether you looked at the acting, lines or timing. . They both had much better routines - so there's also a question how you mark that.

I don't see any race argument with Louis ( not so sure about the audience vote) but I don't think its wise to make it look at all credible that he's voting on attraction. We had that enough with Bruno and even Craig on this last SCD, and Harry also looked overmarked at times to me.

Sebastion's forward roll could quickly make him a one trick pony.

I don't normally say stuff like bloomin' and flippin' but I don't bloomin' like Louis - I can't flipping stand him! So I've got a dilemma because I love dancing on ice.

plus if he actually falls he'll could just turn it into a forward or backward roll and then say it was part of the routine

I think Louie is right to stick to commenting on the dance & performance side of things but my one complaint with him is that sometimes his marks solely seem to be based on that & he's ignoring the skating. I don't expect him to be knowledgeable on technical aspects of skating but sometimes it's obvious who's good/weak on the ice & it's silly to ignore it.

Worse it stands out as its only his trick. I was watching some of the routines tonight and the same simpler lifts, and the pull through the legs, seemed to be turning up in umpteen routines There's a lot of two or three trick ponies out there (or the choregraphy makes them like that) Some add faster skating and better acting, but there's not many doing anything that different. If they just recycle the same moves for another week, its going to get noticeable.

You missed the jumps and all of the other things that are considered really quite hard to master, and not expected at this stage of the competition?

I didn't like Sebastians performance. As others have said, there wasn't much of a partnership between him and Brianne. Something they definitely need to work on, especially for a slow number.

I didn't like his style of skating at all. He looked more like a hockey skater than a figure skater with those hunched shoulders and the whole thing just seemed a bit messy. I didn't like him rolling around on the ice either.

He could definitely be a contender if he sorts it out but he's got an awful lot of work to do first. I personally would have marked him less than a 5.0.

Sebastian had little connection or care about his partner. I seems to be all about his own ego, whereas Chico took great care of his partner and the partnership.

If this was a solo competition, he would have been judged differently.

I meant he is the only one who is doing the rolls onto and off the floor. He's doing plenty else, but if he does that many more times (and he did it twice this week?) its too distinctive not to notice he's done it before.

i don't go with the argument that he's doing too much on his own. They raised it as an issue in his VT which means people will quote it as an issue, but it didn't look too much in his routine and he did there what T and D told him to do. If people think he did too much on his own, its T and D's fault now , not his.