[MD1500]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...he-iphone.html

[alan1302]

He does only say it's leapt ahead in certain parts and that his main phone is still the iPhone though.

Never really understood why he gets related to Apple anymore either - he left in 1985

[neo_wales]

Don't see it as an anti apple interview at all, pretty much on the button and well balanced I thought.

[alan1302]

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Originally Posted by neo_wales

Don't see it as an anti apple interview at all, pretty much on the button and well balanced I thought.

It’s just a bad headline – too make it more exciting than it actually is!

[late8]

To be fair I can see where he comes from (including having a iPhone as a main phone)

My phone (Galaxy S2) Is my first personally owned smartphone. I have regularly used a iPhone 4 too before. The S2 has better customisation, openness and features like navigation, screen quality etc...

What really annoys me about the android phones is the problems- and they are problematic. The iPhone just works - smooth - all the time. You don't have to worry about it and it has everything there to get the job done. Everything apple wants you to have there.

Theres a plethora of geeks out there who think "android is the best" ... (after they have had to tinker and mess around with rooting and installing kernels and different OS builds.)
How is that actually good for someone who just wants a decent phone that works? - thats where apple wins.

[MGS4SnakeRulez]

I enjoyed reading that I thought it was a oretty well balance arguement. He wasn't slagging off either OS there was no fanboyism type comments.

[Stuart_h]

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Originally Posted by late8

To be fair I can see where he comes from (including having a iPhone as a main phone)

My phone (Galaxy S2) Is my first personally owned smartphone. I have regularly used a iPhone 4 too before. The S2 has better customisation, openness and features like navigation, screen quality etc...

What really annoys me about the android phones is the problems- and they are problematic. The iPhone just works - smooth - all the time. You don't have to worry about it and it has everything there to get the job done. Everything apple wants you to have there.

Theres a plethora of geeks out there who think "android is the best" ... (after they have had to tinker and mess around with rooting and installing kernels and different OS builds.)
How is that actually good for someone who just wants a decent phone that works? - thats where apple wins.

I think thats a slight myth from my experience. I know loads of people with iPhones who experience crashes and bugs and equally i know loads of people with the basic Android experience who have never had a problem.

Its the same with Apples and PCs. Apple design an OS that runs on a very limted combination of hardware items. Windows has to cater for billions of combinations.

Some Android phones seem to work perfectly, others dont. i think a lot of it is down to the overlays such as Touchwiz, Sense etc. or down to the specific phone models hardware and drivers.

Where Android users DO have more problems and bugs is where they tinker with their phones.

Sometimes flashing ROMs can fix bugs but more often than not they are in a constant 'Beta' state so you would always expect them to be more buggy. Thats not a criticism. I flash my Nexus regularly but that means i EXPECT there to be bugs that need fixing in the custom ROMs.

The other area is Apps. Apple put much more stringent rules around apps than Android do. The benefit is that apps can sometimes be more polished and bug-free. The downside is that you only get what Apple allows. The other benefit for Android is that fixes can be applied to apps much QUICKER than they can in the Apple world.

So back to the original point ... i dont think Android itself is more buggy than IOS ... its the other stuff that sometimes is.

I say each to their own. Competition can only be a good thing .... we just need to make sure Apple dont sue everyone else in the world who tries to make a good phone

(considering Apple were NOT the first to announce a touch screen oblong smartphone with icons to launch apps - that award goes to LG !)

[CuBz90]

Both OS are good. I prefer Android but I don't go round saying "Android is BETTER than iPhone" because I think they are both good for their own reasons. I see other people saying it and it makes them look like complete d**ks.

I tell people that I prefer Android, but I don't say it's better even if I think it is, because it's all down to the user's own preference.

[grumpyoldbat]

Let's face it Woz is a dyed-in-the-wool geek. He's a man who started out making computers out of bits and tweaking them. He provided kits for other users to build their computers themselves - it stands to reason that he'd appreciate the customisable nature of Android!

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by Stuart_h

I think thats a slight myth from my experience. I know loads of people with iPhones who experience crashes and bugs and equally i know loads of people with the basic Android experience who have never had a problem.

Indeed. My iphone 4 crashed so many more time than my S2 ever has which is so far the grand total of zero times.

I also have never had any problems with my S2 either.

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by grumpyoldbat

Let's face it Woz is a dyed-in-the-wool geek. He's a man who started out making computers out of bits and tweaking them. He provided kits for other users to build their computers themselves - it stands to reason that he'd appreciate the customisable nature of Android!

Except thats not what he prefers about it according to the article.

[Zack06]

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Originally Posted by late8

What really annoys me about the android phones is the problems- and they are problematic. The iPhone just works - smooth - all the time. You don't have to worry about it and it has everything there to get the job done. Everything apple wants you to have there.

Oh really? I've had more than a few disgustingly bad experiences with iPhones....

It forces you to do everything with iTunes which is slow and laggy on Windows machines....I wanted to install a few apps like Sky Go and iBooks....when I installed them it told me I needed a new OS....

I went to iTunes, updated it to iOS5....my phone crashed, froze and bricked up...finally after waiting a week for Apple to sort the issue out...I got the phone back but completely wiped....apps still crash and freeze and there isn't really a proper way to close them. You can't even take out the battery if something goes wrong...

I seriously laugh in the face of people who say iPhones are not problematic.....my Galaxy Nexus has given me none of these problems...I can update my phone without even having a PC, when apps crash you can easily Force Stop them without having to turn off the whole phone, and I can drag and drop files without needing to mess around with iTunes or anything else like that....

If anything, the Google experience is actually far simpler and more effective.

[alan1302]

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Originally Posted by Zack06

I seriously laugh in the face of people who say iPhones are not problematic.....my Galaxy Nexus has given me none of these problems...I can update my phone without even having a PC, when apps crash you can easily Force Stop them without having to turn off the whole phone, a

hhhmmm...so the Galazy has caused you problems?

[Zack06]

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Originally Posted by alan1302

hhhmmm...so the Galazy has caused you problems?

These are benefits of all Android phones. Nothing has crashed on my Galaxy Nexus, but I've had Android phones before and it's far easier to resolve things tbh.

[CuBz90]

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Originally Posted by late8

What really annoys me about the android phones is the problems- and they are problematic. The iPhone just works - smooth - all the time. You don't have to worry about it and it has everything there to get the job done. Everything apple wants you to have there.

Are you kidding? I've been using Android for 2 years now and very rarely have problems. Whereas I always hear someone or see on the news that there are always problems with iPhones.
I'm not going to sit here and say iPhones are crap just because I prefer Android, but I was thinking of getting an iPhone 4S not long after release, but after testing it out for a few days I just couldn't stand it anymore because I was getting problem after problem. For me Android works perfect and smooth, maybe it hates iPhone users, I don't know

[CuBz90]

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Originally Posted by alan1302

hhhmmm...so the Galazy has caused you problems?

Why? Just because he said he can force close apps? That has nothing to do with android, it's to do with the development of the app.

Nobody is saying Android users never have problems, but alot of iPhone users always make out that Android has none stop problems

[davethorp]

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Originally Posted by Zack06

I can update my phone without even having a PC

iPhones can do that too you know

[Zack06]

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Originally Posted by davethorp

iPhones can do that too you know

Must be one of their recent thefts just like the notification center then...I still think the way Android handles apps is far superior to iOS.

[Staunchy]

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Originally Posted by Zack06

.... and I can drag and drop files without needing to mess around with iTunes or anything else like that....

One of the reasons I chose an iPhone this time around was because of iTunes.

With Android dragging and dropping became a bit of a pain for me. There are programs like DoubleTwist but that annoyed the hell out of me. Media Monkey (my old music player of preference) took an age to sync and only handled music. MS have Zune and Apple iTunes, I just wished Google had had a content management application for Android (maybe their head is in the Cloud? ).

I used to hate iTunes but before I bought the phone I tried it out over a number of months, it was a lot more stable than I remembered and I got used to it. It's rather good at what it does, if I want to add content to my phone I just connect it to it's charger while WiFi is turned on, job done.

[finbaar]

I don't want something that "just works". I want something that I can use how I want.

What would be nice is a tri-boot device that could run WP8 (not interested in WP7) when it comes out, iOS and Android. But there is to much self interest for that. I have had a play with a HTC Touch HD 2 and that could dual boot WP7 and Android so it is possible.

[clonmult]

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Originally Posted by finbaar

I don't want something that "just works". I want something that I can use how I want.

What would be nice is a tri-boot device that could run WP8 (not interested in WP7) when it comes out, iOS and Android. But there is to much self interest for that. I have had a play with a HTC Touch HD 2 and that could dual boot WP7 and Android so it is possible.

I'm intrigued by multi-OS phones. So far the main one of interest is the N900, although that would only be booting into variations of Linux - Maemo, Meego or Android.

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by davethorp

iPhones can do that too you know

Only very very very recently have they added that feature in.

[Dai13371]

Quote:

Originally Posted by late8

To be fair I can see where he comes from (including having a iPhone as a main phone)

My phone (Galaxy S2) Is my first personally owned smartphone. I have regularly used a iPhone 4 too before. The S2 has better customisation, openness and features like navigation, screen quality etc...

What really annoys me about the android phones is the problems- and they are problematic. The iPhone just works - smooth - all the time. You don't have to worry about it and it has everything there to get the job done. Everything apple wants you to have there.

Theres a plethora of geeks out there who think "android is the best" ... (after they have had to tinker and mess around with rooting and installing kernels and different OS builds.)
How is that actually good for someone who just wants a decent phone that works? - thats where apple wins.

Because Android lets us who want to do it, do it. My Desire S runs Android 4.0.3 smoothly and one would be hard pressed to imagine how much more smoothly a bit of hardware can run. Its a choice. Id rather that than the same old Os day in day out. Its like when I had a PC, added new memory, graphics card, hard drive, moved from WinMe to Windows 2000 then XP then Linux. Its tinkering which proves very satisfactory.

[wavejockglw]

Woz might be right as the Samsung Galaxy S2 has beat the Apple iPhone 4S in many reviews lately.

That said the Apple iPhone 4S has been selling very well both in the UK and USA as it is now on a par in terms of cost with the Samsung S2.

[Everything Goes]

Its Heresy to even suggest that any OS is better than IOS. Saint Steve Jobs will not be pleased

Steve "Judas" Wozniak has a trident with is name on it waiting for him