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^commentaries ?! WHAT commentaries are those ? Who is doing them ????
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I thought I'd replied to this a few mins ago but maybe not! I've just popped the dvd in and thought I'd check who is doing the commentaries, before watching each one in turn. So:
A Scandal in Belgravia - Mark Gatiss, Steven Moffat, Sue Vertue (sp?), Benedict Cumberbatch and Lara Pulver The Hound of Baskerville - Russell Tovey, Steven Moffat, Mark Gatiss, Sue Vertue No commentary for the Reichenbach Fall - disappointed! |
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Two thoughts:
The mannequin hanging from the ceiling in Sherlock's flat at the beginning may mean that Sherlock was trying to work out then the best way he could fake a suicide. Perhaps it was his plan all along rather than Moriarty's. The three assassins are supposedly trained on the three people Sherlock cares about most: John, Mrs Hudson and LeStrade. John and Mrs Hudson, yes. But LeStrade? Really? And why not Mycroft? |
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^none for No3, feels like a glaring/glarring omission. Hopefully the one(s) for the other two (and the rest of the dvd extras) are enough to make the purchase worthwhile.
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I've no idea what it means, or if indeed it means anything, maybe it was just a production mistake, but if you watch the whole sequence again it becomes obvious that there are two roofs involved. If you watch the edge of the parapet, whenever Moriarty or Sherlock's faces are in view, it's covered in asphalt but in the shot looking over the edge of the roof, we see a stone parapet underneath Sherlock's feet, one without an asphalt covering. Even if that isn't enough evidence of two buildings, because maybe you could argue it is asphalt we're seeing but it's just a bit out of focus, then there's the chimney. When Sherlock is standing on the roof looking down, there is a chimney just in front of him, a little to the left but when John is looking up at the building, there is no chimney. Plus there's a tree to the right of the building Sherlock is on and no tree anywhere near the building John is looking at. I can't take credit for noticing this. It was my OH who spotted it but once he had pointed it out to me, I can't believe I missed it, it is so obvious.As I say, I don't really know what this means. Maybe it was just that they used a different roof in the filming and the continuity editor didn't do him job properly...or....maybe not. Would Moffat make such a glaringly obvious mistake.
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I've no idea what it means, or if indeed it means anything, maybe it was just a production mistake, but if you watch the whole sequence again it becomes obvious that there are two roofs involved. If you watch the edge of the parapet, whenever Moriarty or Sherlock's faces are in view, it's covered in asphalt but in the shot looking over the edge of the roof, we see a stone parapet underneath Sherlock's feet, one without an asphalt covering. I can't take credit for noticing this. It was my OH who spotted it but once he had pointed it out to me, I can't believe I missed it, it is so obvious. As I say, I don't really know what this means. Maybe it was just that they used a different roof in the filming and the continuity editor didn't do him job properly...or....maybe not. Would Moffat make such a glaringly obvious mistake.
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http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...tuff/Barts.jpg
The fall location Google Streetview. This is the real Bart's at the junction of West Smithfield with Giltspur Street EC1A and is the building on which the frieze has the "PATHOLOGY DEPARTMENT ST BARTHOLOME'W'S HOSPITAL" lettering and from which we see Sherlock falling. The more observant will see however the two falls occur (the third floor is passed twice). This is not the same as the one on which the rooftop confrontation occurs. This Bart's building does not have a flat roof but there are nearby buildings in Giltspur St which do have flat roofs and which would share a very similar background skyline, such as St. Paul's. |
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I've just watched the Sherlock Uncovered extra on the dvd and Benedict Cumberbatch did indeed say that 2 roofs were used for the filming. I wasn't paying too close attention to the ins and outs here, but someone on the imdb boards has transcribed what BC said. It was related to the stunts furing filming though, so I don't think it's a clue as to how he did it.
Also, from the Guardian interview: Sherlock will be back for a third series of three 90-minute episodes, hopefully before the year is out, he (Moffat)says.
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The three assassins are supposedly trained on the three people Sherlock cares about most: John, Mrs Hudson and LeStrade. John and Mrs Hudson, yes. But LeStrade? Really? And why not Mycroft?
I don't know why LeStrade. |
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http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...uff/Barts2.jpg
Watson's initial perspective. You can neither see the ground where he would land nor a laundry truck. |
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I don't know why LeStrade.
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Sherlock will be back for a third series of three 90-minute episodes, hopefully before the year is out, he (Moffat)says.
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http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...uff/Barts2.jpg
Watson's initial perspective. You can neither see the ground where he would land nor a laundry truck. A doctor checks his neck for a pulse, when Watson goes to check Sherlock's almost as soon as he does another woman starts pulling his grip loose and putting her hand between Watson's palm and Sherlock's wrist. Then two paramedics along with the doctor and another guy in a suit who just appeared conveniently bundle him not into the ambulance but down a little dark side street. Whether Sherlock landed in the truck bed and rolled out having chomped on a tranquiliser and squeezed a blood pack on the side of his head to appear dead or whether he landed in the truck bed and the body was a cadaver Molly supplied and Watson hallucinated was Sherlock are really the only options on the table as far as I am concerned. |
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I thought I'd replied to this a few mins ago but maybe not! I've just popped the dvd in and thought I'd check who is doing the commentaries, before watching each one in turn. So:
A Scandal in Belgravia - Mark Gatiss, Steven Moffat, Sue Vertue (sp?), Benedict Cumberbatch and Lara Pulver The Hound of Baskerville - Russell Tovey, Steven Moffat, Mark Gatiss, Sue Vertue No commentary for the Reichenbach Fall - disappointed! |
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Sue Vertue (Producer/Moff Wife) has tweeted that thats not what Steven meant. Am guessing he meant he hoped to shoot them this year.
I think Star Trek is meant to start shooting in March but as the villain and not the main star he may only have to film a few scenes even if he has to do all the pre-production training for a month or so before. |
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Can anyone tell me what song is played before the court case starts in The Reichenbach Fall? I've heard it before, but can't remember what it's called. Any help appreciated.
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Nina Simone 'Sinnerman' from her album 'Pastel Blues' (I have it on LP
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http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...tuff/Barts.jpg
The fall location Google Streetview. This is the real Bart's at the junction of West Smithfield with Giltspur Street EC1A and is the building on which the frieze has the "PATHOLOGY DEPARTMENT ST BARTHOLOME'W'S HOSPITAL" lettering and from which we see Sherlock falling. Also odd that Lestrade was targetted by a sniper but not Molly or Mycroft who I would have thought would be much closer to Sherlock? |
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Molly "didn't matter", remember? Not until Sherlock told her she ACTUALLY did. Do you not recall Moriarty's comments about her? She was just a tool he used to get close to Sherlock. He dated her not because he cared, but because she was capable of getting him close. She wasn't targeted because she "didn't matter".
Mycroft is established as one of the top men in charge of British security. As such, I'd imagine trying to kill him would be a waste of resources when Watson, Lestrade and Mrs Hudson are much easier to access. |
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I'ts a bit odd that this is the department where Molly works and yet there is no sign of her?
Also odd that Lestrade was targetted by a sniper but not Molly or Mycroft who I would have thought would be much closer to Sherlock? a) no one knows SH cares about Molly and B) he doesn't "care" about Mycroft |
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I imagine Mycroft would have been much harder to get to, given his position. Also, he didn't get on with Sherlock, and Sherlock would probably have felt he was able to look after himself.
I don't know why LeStrade. For Sherlock, Lestrade is one of the very few people to do all this and so, in Sherlock's world, this might just be enough to count him as his friend. John also comments in HoB that he thinks Sherlock is secretly pleased to see Lestrade. Two questions might be: When does Sherlock start to see Lestrade as a friend? (seemingly not in HoB) Does Lestrade count Sherlock as one of his friends? Also, on another point, the commentary for A Scandal in Belgravia points out the the headline of the newspaper which Sherlock is reading (about 38mins in) is headlined 'Refit for Historical Hospital'. BC asks if he can talk about this, and Moffat and Gatiss say that the idea was for some building work and scaffolding to be taking place at St. Bart's, and this 'seeding' the climax at the top of St. Bart's in the finale, but this never happened. So it seems they cut something out of ASiB which refers to St. Bart's, but I can't see how building work at St. Bart's would set up episode three. St. Bart's already appears in ASiB anyway. A clue perhaps, or I'm scrutinising too much... |
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Interesting tweet from Mr Gatiss to consider :
http://twitter.com/Markgatiss randallwrites @Markgatiss On second viewing, I think if Moriarity'd really shot off a gun inside his mouth more of his head would be missing. #Sherlock Markgatiss @randallwrites You're forgetting something important. |
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Interesting tweet from Mr Gatiss to consider :
http://twitter.com/Markgatiss randallwrites @Markgatiss On second viewing, I think if Moriarity'd really shot off a gun inside his mouth more of his head would be missing. #Sherlock Markgatiss @randallwrites You're forgetting something important. Something unrelated (or maybe not so much): The commentaries also mention Arthur Conan Doyle's mistake of giving Moriarty AND Moriarty's brother the same Christian name of James. They mention that they use all ACD's inconsistencies as in-jokes, and are keeping this one in mind for series 3, although this sounds more of a throwaway comment/joke by them. Interesting still. |
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Interesting tweet from Mr Gatiss to consider :
http://twitter.com/Markgatiss randallwrites @Markgatiss On second viewing, I think if Moriarity'd really shot off a gun inside his mouth more of his head would be missing. #Sherlock Markgatiss @randallwrites You're forgetting something important. |
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Take a look here:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...uff/Barts3.jpg At 1.21.16 he's falling past the 3rd floor window but at 1.21.17, after we catch a glimpse of Watson he's now higher and about to pass the same window. Just wondered. |
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