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Sherlock - New BBC Drama (Part 2)
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clara28
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“But nepotism?


Seems to be the "in word" to bandy around without properly understanding the true meaning and implication.”

Yes nepotism.

'Favoritism shown or patronage granted to relatives, as in business.'

I choose to view her appointment as nepotism, many others don't.
saralund
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by aggs:
“But, given that in its history there will have been a number of husband and wife pairings on the same BBC show were you as upset at the thought of ... say ... Bruce Forsythe and Anthea Turner working together ... or is it just this particular instance?”

I think you mean Anthea Redfern, unless Ms Turner's been stealing more husbands than I've managed to count?
aggs
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by clara28:
“Bruce was married to Anthea Turner??

The existence of Bruce irks me greatly because he's a plonker but that's a separate issue. But I don't like any of the instances of nepotism at the BBC. First to come to mind is Dan Snow being given a massive hand up in his career due to family associations.

I'm sure he's a nice guy and good at what he does but he was given an unfair advantage.”

OOps, no - although it would be an interesting pairing!

Redfern, I meant Redfern ...
mossy2103
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Big-Arn:
“Why is it shocking? I just don't understand. They wanted her to play the role. There must be a reason for that. I seriously doubt the reason is "Well we can't have a talented actor playing the role, we've got to give it to a mate. I know, let's give it to Martin's missus."

No. They wanted someone that would embody the character and have chemistry with Martin, and that's who they went for. I think it's great casting.

Criticising nepotism for criticising nepotism's sake isn't helpful.”

Good points
mossy2103
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by clara28:
“I'm not saying she isn't a good actor I'm saying the process should be a fairer one. There are thousands of great actors who I'm sure would have loved to have had the opportunity to audition for the part. Jobs for pals isn't good enough for me when it's being publicly funded.”

How do you know how fair (or otherwise) the process was?
Doktor Dances
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by the_lostprophet:
“Because they yearn for the days of the simplistic 'adventure of the week', sentimental egotistic tosh known as the RTD/Tennant era rather than the more grown-up, complex story arcs of Moffat's series, which they deem 'difficult to understand' (they did this particularly with the Christmas ep).”

Oh dear.

No, we're upset that it takes 3 series to conclude a plot point. We're upset that narrative has been prostituted to the lowest grab-bags technique of a desperate hack. We're upset that the Doctor (with Tennant as well as Smith) has become a Messiah onto which the showrunners fantasies have been projected. We're upset that intelligence has made way for convenience. We're upset that the reset button has replaced depth. We're upset that Moffat has turned the show into a vehicle for his fantasies. We're upset that Moffat can't write female characters, putting them back even behind the excesses of the 70s.

The problems with Sherlock echo the dire situation Doctor Who finds itself. And there's one constant. His name is Steven Moffat.
clara28
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“How do you know how fair (or otherwise) the process was?”

Yes it was hugely fair process and just a huge coincidence that she ended up with the job.

As I said previously, I realise lots of people don't have a problem with this but I'll stick to my opinion as you stick to yours. I think that sounds fair.
Will2911
06-01-2014
Can we talk about the latest episode and not this nonsense?


The episode was excellent as usual, had a very different tone to usual but this made for a nice change and I loved the direction, scripting and acting in the episode
mossy2103
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by aggs:
“I imagine that husband and wife acting couples have appeared in the same show at the same time many times before this, and will continue to do so? Is it just this particular instance that is causing the problem?”

How about Judi Dench & Michael Williams in As Time Goes By. It raised no eyebrows at all.

And most famously, Richard Burton & Elizabeth Taylor appeared in a few films together.
FrankieFixer
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“But nepotism?


Seems to be the "in word" to bandy around without properly understanding the true meaning and implication.”

It's an open-and-shut case of nepotism.
Eater Sundae
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“It was so hackneyed Wile E. Coyote would have winced and rolled his eyes.”

That was pretty much my point. They took a cliche and debunked it.
Rorschach
06-01-2014
Isn't it weird how reviews that agree with your views are always written by really insightful and intelligent reviewers whilst those that you don't agree with are always written by fawning sycophants or people who have lost their critical faculties.

It's such an odd coincidence isn't it?
adams66
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“It's an open-and-shut case of nepotism.”

So what? Does your opinion that this is nepotism actually affect your enjoyment of the episode?
Rorschach
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Doktor Dances:
“The problems with Sherlock echo the dire situation Doctor Who finds itself. And there's one constant. His name is Steven Moffat.”

The Dire situation Doctor Who finds itself in?

Christmas Day viewing figures up over a million on last year, 50th Anniversary episode breaking box office records and international audience figures, raking in plenty of profit for BBC Worldwide?

Bloody hell, dire indeed.
Will2911
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“It's an open-and-shut case of nepotism.”

Yes it's nepotism. So what? Just because a decision is made because of the already existing relationship between the actors in real life doesn't make it a bad one. Look at Woody Allen, he used Mia Farrow in about 8 films whilst they were together, does anyone care? No, because they were still good films.

Just because there has been Nepotism doesn't make the casting bad.
Rhumbatugger
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by hetty_rose:
“I love Cumberbatch, but Brett is equally spectacular, you've missing a trick if you write him off...he is fabulous.”

I adored that whole series, and grew up with it. Brett was fabulous and he introduced me to Sherlock. I love Benedict too.

Originally Posted by Big-Arn:
“And that, ladies and gents, was the gag. They look *nothing* like you'd have expected, so why not have his real parents, who are real actors don't you know, play them?

Och, people get so upset over nothing.”

I think so too. It hardly matters, they are actors, they did the job fine.

Originally Posted by adams66:
“So what? Does your opinion that this is nepotism actually affect your enjoyment of the episode?”

I actually think she's perfect for the role, very convincing. And I don't see that it's some big deal either. A lot of casting is thought of before the event so to speak. And that's fine if it WORKS and this did, extremely well.
Department_S
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by aggs:
“OOps, no - although it would be an interesting pairing!

Redfern, I meant Redfern ...”

Going off topic though didn't Bruce meet Anthea Redfern on the show? If so that wasn't nepotism it was called knocking off your assistant
mossy2103
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by clara28:
“I don't know how I can make it clearer to you why I don't think Sherlock should be all about jobs for the friends and relatives of the Sherlock family when it's being publicly funded. If it was on ITV I'd care not a jot.”

Perhaps, in your view, Mycroft should have been played by someone else then.

But few seem to have raised this as an issue previously.
Rhumbatugger
06-01-2014
I liked the ep on first viewing, but was a trifle annoyed at it's shapeless start and what I saw as 'filler'.

But I've just watched it again. And it made me laugh my head off, and I was moved by the end. And I was much more satisfied with the middle.

It's not bad at all.

And I sort of love it, even if it's not quite the Sherlock we're used to.

I feel a great deal better. As it is, though not quite what we expect, it was huge fun, clever and delightful.
Will2911
06-01-2014
As usual the Anti License fee crowd are looking for any excuse to attack dear old Auntie
clara28
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Will2911:
“Yes it's nepotism. So what? Just because a decision is made because of the already existing relationship between the actors in real life doesn't make it a bad one. Look at Woody Allen, he used Mia Farrow in about 8 films whilst they were together, does anyone care? No, because they were still good films.

Just because there has been Nepotism doesn't make the casting bad.”

Only bugs me when it's done with public funds.
Rhumbatugger
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Perhaps, in your view, Mycroft should have been played by someone else then.

But few seem to have raised this as an issue previously. ”

I think Mycroft is genius casting. He's fantastic. Don't care who he is in real life. He has terrific presence and is complex and believable in the part. I can't think of anyone who could do this part, in this incarnation, better.
Will2911
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by clara28:
“Only bugs me when it's done with public funds.”

Who cares? Your license fee is £12.12 a month and for that you get a wealth of fantastic programming. Or alternatively, don't pay the license fee and watch on your computer on Iplayer which you don't have to have a license to use
Rhumbatugger
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Will2911:
“As usual the Anti License fee crowd are looking for any excuse to attack dear old Auntie”

I feel it's more a 'last ditch' attack on the programme (and the ptb behind it) than an excuse to attack Auntie.

Most cast is a variety of ways, true of every branch of show business, but the beeb mustn't be like every other sort of producer?

Silly.
mossy2103
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I think Mycroft is genius casting. He's fantastic. Don't care who he is in real life. He has terrific presence and is complex and believable in the part. I can't think of anyone who could do this part, in this incarnation, better.”

Agreed, but why no so-called "nepotism" charges? Someone closely linked with, and a friend of Moffat? Someone who writes for the series?

Without Gatiss, we could have been denied a wonderful characterisation.
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