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Sherlock - New BBC Drama (Part 2)
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Alrightmate
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Eater Sundae:
“Not a tourniquet, but equivalent to applying pressure to the wound - which is what Sherlock was asked to do in the case of the guardsman, so in effect he was replacing the belt.

If the belt was tight enough, I could believe (as a layman) that the pressure could hide the pain. I just doubt that it would ever be that tight.

Also, if there was a lot of pressure, blood would be driven from the area. Once the pressure was released, it would take a few seconds for blood to return to the area. Also, most of the bleeding would be internal, with only a small hole to the outside, and so there may not be a great deal of blood, and certainly not immediately.”

But no it isn't the same. Applying localized pressure directly onto the wound would be very different to a belt which would apply even pressure around the waist with an uncovered wound, squeezing the victim like squeezing water out of a sponge.
aggs
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Well that would make the crime implausible too then, because the soldiers would think that the photographer had just given them a sly punch.”

Or just fumbled and steered them into position for the photo a bit roughly.
Alrightmate
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Or just fumbled and steered them into position for the photo a bit roughly.”

Never had anyone stick a pin up your arse?

There was a minor craze going around our school where some kids were sticking pins into other kids arses for a laugh.
Anyone who had it done to them bloody jumped out of their skins.
Serial Lurker
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Or just fumbled and steered them into position for the photo a bit roughly.”

Someone should research this. Tenner for anyone who goes up to a guardsman and fumbles and steers them into position a bit roughly for a photo
Eira
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by abercrombie:
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For example, does it bother you at all that this Sherlock (only series 3 so far) couldn't deduce his way out of a paper bag and it was, in fact Gruesome Child who solved the mystery by standing up and telling Sherlock who the killer was?

”

There's a lot of talk that Sherlock being off his game is actually a deliberate plot device - that he's not come back quite himself or that the world around him having moved on has unsettled him and thrown him off. He's made a few mistakes and missed a few things that even this version of Sherlock wouldn't have missed in previous episodes.

Or it could just be sloppy writing.

Oh and on a rewatch I think I might have caught one of the 'clues' for next week's episode. I was too busy giggling when I first saw the episode to actually take notice of it.
aggs
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Serial Lurker:
“Someone should research this. Tenner for anyone who goes up to a guardsman and fumbles and steers them into position a bit roughly for a photo ”

A job for next weekend ...
Alrightmate
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“Agghhh some git on Twitter just revealed one of the big clues from last nights episode! Why do I even go on there. It just annoys me anyway.”

Was it good?
You don't have to say what it was.
aggs
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Never had anyone stick a pin up your arse?

There was a minor craze going around our school where some kids were sticking pins into other kids arses for a laugh.
Anyone who had it done to them bloody jumped out of their skins.”

A cocktail stick works just as well and leaves a dint that lasted for weeks ... but anyway hem ... The implement used on the reconstruction looked more like a stiletto and I suppose the aim was slow and steady in the right place to avoid being felt rather than a quick jab to give maximum pain and effect.

For me, the amount of detective fiction I've read and watched, it's not worth getting hung up on whether the method of dreaded decades is plausible ... a good half of it isn't ... and that involves the original Holmes.
saladfingers81
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Was it good?
You don't have to say what it was.”

It is pretty clever and sneaky. Don't think I would have picked it up without a few viewings if at all. Its not episode spoiling. In fact it confirms a suspicion I had since before episode one even aired. Plus there are a couple of visual clues as well. Its all very good! Not that it will appease those who found last night a drag though.
Alrightmate
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Jennell_Sierako:
“All this talk about the stab wounds reminds me of something I read ages ago. A guy was shot in the head and the bullet destroyed some of his brain and brain matter was blown out. Despite this, evidently he survived for a while and managed to walk about and sit down on a bench holding his head in his hands before he died. The human body is an amazing thing, so I wasn't surprised about the Guardsmans belt.”

I've seen that clip. It was on a terrestrial TV show a couple of years ago alongside other freak incidents wasn't it?
I believe that the man lost a quarter of his brain.
It was indeed an amazing thing to discover how a human body could survive this.
fiveinabed
06-01-2014
I thought there was a similar logo on the bottom of the mug (the mug with the T and the I in it) as was on the screensaver of the Horseguards Parade fella. But I had been drinking, so maybe not.
quicky
06-01-2014
People have mentioned having to wait two years for a new series but nearly all involved have been doing other things. Benedict has been films a few small feature films in America....
Martin has been stuck in a hobbit hole in New Zealand for a bit.. and Moffat and Gattis have been writing and filming other things so even if they agreed to doing new series in the past getting them all together at the same time might be fun.

Just look at how the filming schedules are for Doctor Who to see have crazy doing a series is.
wuffles
06-01-2014
I've suddenly remembered where I know the woman in red leather from the courtroom scene - she used to play Hilary the secretary in May to December!
marsch_labb
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by planets:
“famously Robert Lawrence was shot in the head by a sniper losing 43% of his brain, he survived.

his book When the Fighting Is Over: A Personal Story of the Battle for Tumbledown Mountain and Its Aftermath details this and his long recovery.”

Good exemple but the fact that he survived doesn't mean he didn't notice when it happened.
For me, that's the hole. Not that it couln't be done but that the victim wouldn't realise it for hours.
Alrightmate
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Eira:
“There's a lot of talk that Sherlock being off his game is actually a deliberate plot device - that he's not come back quite himself or that the world around him having moved on has unsettled him and thrown him off. He's made a few mistakes and missed a few things that even this version of Sherlock wouldn't have missed in previous episodes.

Or it could just be sloppy writing.

Oh and on a rewatch I think I might have caught one of the 'clues' for next week's episode. I was too busy giggling when I first saw the episode to actually take notice of it.”

That's quite an interesting point.
That all this 'human' stuff has made him go a bit soft and he isn't as sharp and at the top of his game.
So by the end of the 3rd episode he goes all cold and hard again after one of the cast dies or something.

Or as you say, it could just be sloppy writing. But I like the way you speculate this possibility.
Fizzbin
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Serial Lurker:
“Someone should research this. Tenner for anyone who goes up to a guardsman and fumbles and steers them into position a bit roughly for a photo ”

20 quid for someone to go up to a guardsman & say "Nice belt, looks a bit tight mate, you should loosen it."
Eira
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“That's quite an interesting point.
That all this 'human' stuff has made him go a bit soft and he isn't as sharp and at the top of his game.
So by the end of the 3rd episode he goes all cold and hard again after one of the cast dies or something.

Or as you say, it could just be sloppy writing. But I like the way you speculate this possibility.”

It's not my speculation - well it is now as I like the idea of it - but it has been being thrown about on Twitter and Tumblr for a while and it does tally up with some of the pre series interviews and press releases that came out about how Sherlock would be dealing with some issues this series (the world moving on around him - his friends having gotten on with their lives without him when he'd just gotten used to having friends) so a lot of people are wondering if we're seeing these issues manifest. A lot of people picked up on how he was slow to actually do his deduction on Mary when he first met her - he didn't do it when he first saw her like he usually does when he meets someone, it took him a little while to actually do it. He seems off his game.

Again, it's probably just fans coming up with a nice explain away for sloppy writing, but I think it's an interesting idea.
slouchingthatch
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Joe_Zel:
“I think Cumberbatch said that both he and Freeman were contracted for series 4 but it hadn't been commissioned yet. From what I remember anyway.

It's only 3 episodes every couple of years or so, I think he could manage it.”

You say that, but each episode apparently takes 22 days to film - that's realistically close to 3 months total for every 3-episode series! (Plus read-throughs, any audio pick-ups in post-production, all that other stuff.)
Alrightmate
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“It is pretty clever and sneaky. Don't think I would have picked it up without a few viewings if at all. Its not episode spoiling. In fact it confirms a suspicion I had since before episode one even aired. Plus there are a couple of visual clues as well. Its all very good! Not that it will appease those who found last night a drag though.”

That's good to hear. Did any of the visual clues include anything in the room of Magnussen I mentioned at the end of episode one?
Because some of those props (mannequin heads, rabbit and top hat etc.) looked to be very deliberately placed as the camera panned across them. I got the feeling that they might be put there for symbolic foreshadowing.
slouchingthatch
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Eira:
“It's not my speculation - well it is now as I like the idea of it - but it has been being thrown about on Twitter and Tumblr for a while and it does tally up with some of the pre series interviews and press releases that came out about how Sherlock would be dealing with some issues this series (the world moving on around him - his friends having gotten on with their lives without him when he'd just gotten used to having friends) so a lot of people are wondering if we're seeing these issues manifest. A lot of people picked up on how he was slow to actually do his deduction on Mary when he first met her - he didn't do it when he first saw her like he usually does when he meets someone, it took him a little while to actually do it. He seems off his game.

Again, it's probably just fans coming up with a nice explain away for sloppy writing, but I think it's an interesting idea.”

I don't particularly buy into that theory myself but it's a fair enough one to knock about, for sure.

I think sometimes people forget that although Sherlock is brilliant it doesn't necessarily mean he's omniscient or infallible. His cases would be very short and not very interesting if he was!
Alrightmate
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by marsch_labb:
“Good exemple but the fact that he survived doesn't mean he didn't notice when it happened.
For me, that's the hole. Not that it couln't be done but that the victim wouldn't realise it for hours.”

Yes, that's why it doesn't really satisfy me in the way that I feel it should. You take your belt of and just sort of suddenly die. That you're somehow already dead and the taking off of your belt is what suddenly makes it happen.

Like I said it reminds me a lot of The Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique from Kill Bill.
planets
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“
Like I said it reminds me a lot of The Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique from Kill Bill.”

i was trying to remember who posted that!!! i loved it, excellent reference
Alrightmate
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Fizzbin:
“20 quid for someone to go up to a guardsman & say "Nice belt, looks a bit tight mate, you should loosen it." ”

I wonder how many guards are going to get people winding them up by taking their photo when they're on duty, and then prodding them in their back with their finger and giving them a sinister smile as they walk away.
degsyhufc
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“Perhaps that forum member would like to clarify their comment 'People across the land are switching off' when in fact it had the best figures overnight for the show. And the year.”

People enjoy Sherlock.
People tune into S3E1.
Ok, that's a bit different.
The next one will be back to normal.

So the hype is up again and people tune in to S3E2. High ratings again.

It was not the show that I expected.


Some one mentioed that the episode would have been ok if it was a 10 episode series and in a way it did remind me of US drama series where usually at some point there is a quirky episode, or a seasonal special etc.

ETA:
Originally Posted by BenFranklin:
“The problem with Sherlock is we are basically only getting occasional specials. If you're only making three episodes every two years, you can't really use one as a self indulgent joke, it's a bit of a waste really.

That episode would have been fine if it was part of a 6/8 part series.”

degsyhufc
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by adams66:
“Let it go, Clara. They cast Amanda A and it does work. Beautifully.

Unless you have some hitherto undisclosed grudge against Amanda, then all this really doesn't matter. At all.”

Originally Posted by Trsvis_Bickle:
“Y'know, I kept getting flashes of Catherine Parkinson passing before my eyes in last night's. Something about that false eagerness and wide smile, I guess.”




BIB In your opinion. I don't think she/or the character works.

Too light, too easy going, too eager? It may work out in the final episode though.






Originally Posted by Eater Sundae:
“Surely it could have been nepotism only if Martin Freeman were to cast her in the part. But he didn't.”

I'm sure they would have discussed it with him rather than it being a first day on set surprise.


Originally Posted by bart4858:
“The fact that the actors behind Watson and Mary were also having a real-life relationship. You sort of kept wondering how much was acted and how much was real. And what they talked about when they got home...”

Hmm... if we did get married we'd have joint tax status
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