Sherlock - New BBC Drama (Part 2)
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Originally Posted by Eater Sundae:
“Also, according to Sherlock's account, Mycroft had to persuade the gunmen targeting Watson to pull out. I don't understand why. Once Holmes is believed to be dead, Watson should have been safe anyway, so no need for Mycroft to do anything.”
“Also, according to Sherlock's account, Mycroft had to persuade the gunmen targeting Watson to pull out. I don't understand why. Once Holmes is believed to be dead, Watson should have been safe anyway, so no need for Mycroft to do anything.”
Mycroft only had to "have words with" whoever was in charge of (1) watching Holmes and then (2) telling the gunmen to either kill or not kill depending upon whether Holmes jumped or not. This person would likely have the ideal viewpoint to see all the crash mat shenanigans so would be all set to give then gunmen the kill order until Mycroft came in with his "please don't do that, there's a good chap"
Originally Posted by CD93:
“That camera set-up
https://24.media.tumblr.com/f3d37d23...c7qo5_1280.png”
“That camera set-up
https://24.media.tumblr.com/f3d37d23...c7qo5_1280.png”
now THAT'S one hell of a wedding photographer!!
Originally Posted by CD93:
“That camera set-up
https://24.media.tumblr.com/f3d37d23...c7qo5_1280.png”
“That camera set-up
https://24.media.tumblr.com/f3d37d23...c7qo5_1280.png”
No Mary in that picture. The plot thickens!
Aaaargh! Stop it nethwen.
I don't do this with any other show I watch, you know.
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“Wouldn't it be funny if they did, though?
It's 3 months every 2 years of shooting - although not in a continuous block - but then there's also preparation, post-production, promotion in the UK and US (and other major markets? I dunno). Plus, of course, the timing of shooting schedules with films might overlap. Peter Jackson made a massive exception for Freeman, rearranging the schedule for The Hobbit around his Sherlock schedule, but I've never heard of anyone doing that before, particularly not for a TV show. (I remember Michael J Fox shooting Family Ties and Back to the Future concurrently - he frequently did one during the day and the other at night, if I recall correctly.)
Of course, in principle there's no reason why it couldn't be made to work, but there are also a lot of potential pitfalls.
Anyhow, I rather suspect series 4 may be the last. (I have no evidence for this - it's just my opinion.) Go out on a high, and time to move on.”
“Wouldn't it be funny if they did, though?
It's 3 months every 2 years of shooting - although not in a continuous block - but then there's also preparation, post-production, promotion in the UK and US (and other major markets? I dunno). Plus, of course, the timing of shooting schedules with films might overlap. Peter Jackson made a massive exception for Freeman, rearranging the schedule for The Hobbit around his Sherlock schedule, but I've never heard of anyone doing that before, particularly not for a TV show. (I remember Michael J Fox shooting Family Ties and Back to the Future concurrently - he frequently did one during the day and the other at night, if I recall correctly.)
Of course, in principle there's no reason why it couldn't be made to work, but there are also a lot of potential pitfalls.
Anyhow, I rather suspect series 4 may be the last. (I have no evidence for this - it's just my opinion.) Go out on a high, and time to move on.”
Juggling schedules between different projects is pretty much always occurring with in demand actors, of course it can be worked around. Sherlock was pushed back to accommodate the Hobbit.
3 months every few years is no different to if he signed on to do a movie in that time.
Post production/promotion across several projects if par for the course, that's what these people do. Most high profile actors will be in pre-production for one film, whilst filming another and promoting one they filmed a while ago.
Also, as another poster pointed out, they are contracted for a 4th and 5th.
As for a drunken weekend in Amsterdam, it wouldn't surprise me if that's where the scripts are written.
Some great scripts have been written in similar circumstances.
"The only time we got worried was on a Friday night when we were supposed to have sent our Comedy Playhouse script to the BBC but hadn't thought of a thing..... We took Graham to the pub, got pissed, then wrote the script in four hours non-stop the next morning. Alan couldn't move his arm for a week – it's the fastest we've ever written."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...n-1219717.html
"The only time we got worried was on a Friday night when we were supposed to have sent our Comedy Playhouse script to the BBC but hadn't thought of a thing..... We took Graham to the pub, got pissed, then wrote the script in four hours non-stop the next morning. Alan couldn't move his arm for a week – it's the fastest we've ever written."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...n-1219717.html
I think there's something we've missed. With series 1 we had hints or mentions of Moriarty (from the taxi driver and the Chinese woman speaking to an M on a computer) with episode 3 being the reveal...Maybe there's been less obvious clues or foreshadowing in this series?
I like the theories about Mary, although I don't think she's evil...I think she's been blackmailed or something..the interesting thumbs up angle with the ornament behind her....then look at one of the ornaments in the drunk deducing. They're similar...and the words next to the ornament in the drunk deducing made me think....I'm not sure how to spoiler tag but I hope this makes sense and someone grasps it.
I like the theories about Mary, although I don't think she's evil...I think she's been blackmailed or something..the interesting thumbs up angle with the ornament behind her....then look at one of the ornaments in the drunk deducing. They're similar...and the words next to the ornament in the drunk deducing made me think....I'm not sure how to spoiler tag but I hope this makes sense and someone grasps it.
As many people, i did think there was more to Mary than meets the eye. Didn't know what but with the help of other posts, it became clear that she's probably working for someone. It could have been something personnal, like she used to be a man (i can hear Mrs.Hudson saying 'i told you so') or some other secret.
We'll see. My point is about Sherlock's niceness. Perhaps it's on purpose to lure her into a false sens of security or something. I'm sure if she's there with a secret agenda, she would expect him to be corrosive but he's still enough of that for her to think he's his normal self.
I'm still trying to understand why he changed so much (i know, abroad for 2 years). I'm not completely satisfied with that. I want the third episode to explain everything!
Do you hear me Moffat/Gatiss/Vertue? I want an explaination !!
Well not really. If they did explain everything, this thread would become only about actors who play in it and release date, etc. Which would be much less interesting to me. Happy for those who are into this. Personnaly, i don't mind that it was Cumberbatch's real parent who played Sherlock's parents. I'm more interested in the fact that, so far as i know, Sherlock's parents have been mentionned but it's the first time they made an appearance, in any incarnation.
We'll see. My point is about Sherlock's niceness. Perhaps it's on purpose to lure her into a false sens of security or something. I'm sure if she's there with a secret agenda, she would expect him to be corrosive but he's still enough of that for her to think he's his normal self.
I'm still trying to understand why he changed so much (i know, abroad for 2 years). I'm not completely satisfied with that. I want the third episode to explain everything!
Do you hear me Moffat/Gatiss/Vertue? I want an explaination !!
Well not really. If they did explain everything, this thread would become only about actors who play in it and release date, etc. Which would be much less interesting to me. Happy for those who are into this. Personnaly, i don't mind that it was Cumberbatch's real parent who played Sherlock's parents. I'm more interested in the fact that, so far as i know, Sherlock's parents have been mentionned but it's the first time they made an appearance, in any incarnation.
Originally Posted by TRIPS:
“No i think your spot on, she knows something is wrong as well. am sure Sherlock knows but not sure if the letter he left before leaving the reception was some kind of warning.”
“No i think your spot on, she knows something is wrong as well. am sure Sherlock knows but not sure if the letter he left before leaving the reception was some kind of warning.”
I thought it was just the score of his wedding piece?
Originally Posted by degsyhufc:
“I thought it was just the score of his wedding piece?”
“I thought it was just the score of his wedding piece?”
I thought so too. Or perhaps there's a secret code in the score!
So much speculation, a lot of fun.
Can't wait for the third (no word play here, hoping it's good).
Just to make sure for the fans, it's a joke!
Originally Posted by Benry_Gale:
“So Mary...
Doesn't have family at the wedding cause shes an 'orphan'.
Get's a telegram from 'Cam' mentioning how her family would love to be there.
Shows signs of pregnancy, but only to Sherlock.
Calling it now, Charles Augustus Magnussen (CAM) is blackmailing her, has her family.
Sherlock left the wedding early not because of loneliness, but because he figured it out.
From the E3 trailer, he seems familiar with Magnussen, and therefore his methods, so I think he knows.
Mycroft was wearing trousers with a red stripe this episode, as were the soldier who died, and the second soldier who was attempted on.
They were stabbed in the belly; Mycroft is seen looking at his belly when he gets off the treadmill. An odd scene in itself, unless it was a little hint.
Mycroft is gonna die, Mary is involved, Magnussen is an evil SOB.”
“So Mary...
Doesn't have family at the wedding cause shes an 'orphan'.
Get's a telegram from 'Cam' mentioning how her family would love to be there.
Shows signs of pregnancy, but only to Sherlock.
Calling it now, Charles Augustus Magnussen (CAM) is blackmailing her, has her family.
Sherlock left the wedding early not because of loneliness, but because he figured it out.
From the E3 trailer, he seems familiar with Magnussen, and therefore his methods, so I think he knows.
Mycroft was wearing trousers with a red stripe this episode, as were the soldier who died, and the second soldier who was attempted on.
They were stabbed in the belly; Mycroft is seen looking at his belly when he gets off the treadmill. An odd scene in itself, unless it was a little hint.
Mycroft is gonna die, Mary is involved, Magnussen is an evil SOB.”
Ahh, well spotted.
I love symbolism used in film making.
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“http://www.johnwatsonblog.co.uk/blog/11august
Haha. I love Sherlock's blog entry, and the comments.
I LOVE SHERLOCK!
Sorry.
”
“http://www.johnwatsonblog.co.uk/blog/11august
Haha. I love Sherlock's blog entry, and the comments.
I LOVE SHERLOCK!
Sorry.
”
Originally Posted by Sherlock:
“Once he removed his belt, the skewer was removed and he started to die. It was a delayed action stabbing. ”
“Once he removed his belt, the skewer was removed and he started to die. It was a delayed action stabbing. ”
Based on the biological rules in which parallel universe? Maybe it was a special Gallifreyan pixie dust that helped?
Originally Posted by solenoid:
“Based on the biological rules in which parallel universe? Maybe it was a special Gallifreyan pixie dust that helped?”
“Based on the biological rules in which parallel universe? Maybe it was a special Gallifreyan pixie dust that helped?”
It seems that the idea was pinched from the assassination of the Empress of Austria in 1898.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress...#Assassination
Originally Posted by Kapellmeister:
“It seems that the idea was pinched from the assassination of the Empress of Austria in 1898.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress...#Assassination”
“It seems that the idea was pinched from the assassination of the Empress of Austria in 1898.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress...#Assassination”
That would have been an interesting piece of exposition in the episode. But, alas, more time was spent on weddings and piss-ups so we didn't hear it.
ETA actually in the 1898 murder the heart was pierced.
Originally Posted by degsyhufc:
“I thought it was just the score of his wedding piece?”
“I thought it was just the score of his wedding piece?”
Thing is if you look at it from a TV writer's point of view, why would they even bother having that scene in it at all where he puts the manuscript back into an envelope marked 'Dr and Mrs Watson'?
Somebody must have deliberately written that into the scene. And if there was no reason why bother with even inserting that into the scene at all?
Could well be something he's written on the back of the music manuscript which is a message he wants to get to them as he has to leave the reception. Possibly urgently?
Originally Posted by degsyhufc:
“Is it that unusual to look at/feel your belly after exercising?”
“Is it that unusual to look at/feel your belly after exercising?”
No, not at all. But often symbolism works because it can have a double meaning. The literal meaning which the viewer or reader just takes in as the most obvious interpretation, and the hidden meaning which you wouldn't instantly notice because you didn't pay it any heed as you just accepted the literal meaning.
The poster offered something which I didn't notice before which connected Mycroft to the guardsmen. Which I didn't spot and which possibly adds a whole new context to that scene.
When a link is introduced, the poster's speculation about possible symbolism being used as an additional clue is suddenly an attractive possibility which is quite plausible.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“No, not at all. But often symbolism works because it can have a double meaning. The literal meaning which the viewer or reader just takes in as the most obvious interpretation, and the hidden meaning which you wouldn't instantly notice because you didn't pay it any heed as you just accepted the literal meaning.
The poster offered something which I didn't notice before which connected Mycroft to the guardsmen. Which I didn't spot and which possibly adds a whole new context to that scene.
When a link is introduced, the poster's speculation about possible symbolism being used as an additional clue is suddenly an attractive possibility which is quite plausible.”
“No, not at all. But often symbolism works because it can have a double meaning. The literal meaning which the viewer or reader just takes in as the most obvious interpretation, and the hidden meaning which you wouldn't instantly notice because you didn't pay it any heed as you just accepted the literal meaning.
The poster offered something which I didn't notice before which connected Mycroft to the guardsmen. Which I didn't spot and which possibly adds a whole new context to that scene.
When a link is introduced, the poster's speculation about possible symbolism being used as an additional clue is suddenly an attractive possibility which is quite plausible.”
Was it an odd scene though?
Was it in the telegram from Cam that the endearment 'Poppet' was used? As poppet was a Middle English word meaning puppet. It was used in Arthur Miller's The Crucible. Was he reminding Mary that he controls her?
A couple of other things which I noticed in the episode.
The bridesmaid said something to Sherlock which I found quite curious, and to which Sherlock himself gave a puzzled response...."You could be very useful".
But then nothing referred to that line again. Unless I'm missing something.
I still don't get what she meant by that.
Also, the Usher called David who Sherlock assumed must be a previous boyfriend of Mary.
I'm not so sure that it is as simple as that.
Because if Mary isn't quite who she says she is then it would be quite plausible to assume that people who are connected to her aren't quite as they seem as well.
After the introduction to Mary (which was quite curious in itself), Watson, and Sherlock (who it was revealed he'd already met and Sherlock believes him to be Mary's ex), we never saw him again.
So I wonder why he would be written into the episode just for that scene and not referred to again in the story.
Is he really Mary's ex, or something else connected to her? An agent keeping an eye on her perhaps, which is why he has been keeping regular contact with Mary which Sherlock assumed must have meant that he was her ex-boyfriend.
Anyone connected to Mary should be suspect if Mary herself is.
The bridesmaid said something to Sherlock which I found quite curious, and to which Sherlock himself gave a puzzled response...."You could be very useful".
But then nothing referred to that line again. Unless I'm missing something.
I still don't get what she meant by that.
Also, the Usher called David who Sherlock assumed must be a previous boyfriend of Mary.
I'm not so sure that it is as simple as that.
Because if Mary isn't quite who she says she is then it would be quite plausible to assume that people who are connected to her aren't quite as they seem as well.
After the introduction to Mary (which was quite curious in itself), Watson, and Sherlock (who it was revealed he'd already met and Sherlock believes him to be Mary's ex), we never saw him again.
So I wonder why he would be written into the episode just for that scene and not referred to again in the story.
Is he really Mary's ex, or something else connected to her? An agent keeping an eye on her perhaps, which is why he has been keeping regular contact with Mary which Sherlock assumed must have meant that he was her ex-boyfriend.
Anyone connected to Mary should be suspect if Mary herself is.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“A couple of other things which I noticed in the episode.
The bridesmaid said something to Sherlock which I found quite curious, and to which Sherlock himself gave a puzzled response...."You could be very useful".
But then nothing referred to that line again. Unless I'm missing something.
I still don't get what she meant by that.
”
“A couple of other things which I noticed in the episode.
The bridesmaid said something to Sherlock which I found quite curious, and to which Sherlock himself gave a puzzled response...."You could be very useful".
But then nothing referred to that line again. Unless I'm missing something.
I still don't get what she meant by that.
”
She wanted him to find her a bloke, which he did
Originally Posted by platelet:
“She wanted him to find her a bloke, which he did”
“She wanted him to find her a bloke, which he did”
I see, that makes sense. Now I recall the closing scenes where she got off with sci-fi geek man it makes sense.
If I recall correctly didn't Sherlock say earlier that sci-fi geek man would be going home by himself?
Sherlock probably wasn't on top form in the last episode.
Originally Posted by toastynoggin:
“Was it in the telegram from Cam that the endearment 'Poppet' was used? As poppet was a Middle English word meaning puppet. It was used in Arthur Miller's The Crucible. Was he reminding Mary that he controls her?”
“Was it in the telegram from Cam that the endearment 'Poppet' was used? As poppet was a Middle English word meaning puppet. It was used in Arthur Miller's The Crucible. Was he reminding Mary that he controls her?”
Very good.
Yes it was from the telegram from CAM.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I see, that makes sense. Now I recall the closing scenes where she got off with sci-fi geek man it makes sense.
If I recall correctly didn't Sherlock say earlier that sci-fi geek man would be going home by himself?
Sherlock probably wasn't on top form in the last episode.”
“I see, that makes sense. Now I recall the closing scenes where she got off with sci-fi geek man it makes sense.
If I recall correctly didn't Sherlock say earlier that sci-fi geek man would be going home by himself?
Sherlock probably wasn't on top form in the last episode.”
I thought Sherlock pointed him out to her as a possible choice because he would otherwise be going home alone.
Originally Posted by degsyhufc:
“Was it an odd scene though?”
“Was it an odd scene though?”
A little bit. It appeared as though his face was almost registering a puzzled expression as he touched his waist. So not that odd, but just enough to hint that something was going on there.
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