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Old 21-01-2012, 17:01
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Perhaps Holmes dosed Moriarty with HOUND gas at Baker Street while making him tea, and the whole thing is a fantasy inside Jim's head - a horror unfolding where he realises he can beat Holmes yet feel hollow and empty after Sherlock's death.

Makes no sense, but hey, let's throw it out there anyway.
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Old 21-01-2012, 17:14
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Interesting tweet from Mr Gatiss to consider :
http://twitter.com/Markgatiss

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@Markgatiss On second viewing, I think if Moriarity'd really shot off a gun inside his mouth more of his head would be missing. #Sherlock

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@randallwrites You're forgetting something important.
I think the important part might be we don't get to see the back of his head.
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Old 21-01-2012, 17:42
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I think the important part might be we don't get to see the back of his head.
Though we do see the "body" just before Holmes jumps.
Even so if Moriarty faked his suicide (firing a blank into one's mouth is likely to be fatal in any case!) to what end here?

To me the biggest unanswered question is not how Holmes faked his death but why the young girl screamed.
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Old 21-01-2012, 17:47
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I think the important part might be we don't get to see the back of his head.
I don't think that TV usually shows in graphic detail what happens when someone is shot.

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Old 21-01-2012, 18:06
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I think Star Trek is meant to start shooting in March but as the villain and not the main star he may only have to film a few scenes even if he has to do all the pre-production training for a month or so before.
Star Trek has already started shooting, and BC was in LA last week, but apparently only for the work visa or something. I read somewhere that he is going to NZ next and then back to LA for Trek.
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Old 21-01-2012, 18:27
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To me the biggest unanswered question is not how Holmes faked his death but why the young girl screamed.
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Two options: 1) Moriarty wore a mask of Sherlock's face, or someone else did or had had surgery to look like Sherlock, which is more likely. Sherlock found the mask or the man with his face and put a corpse with it/the dead lookalike on the pavement.
2) Moriarty used images of Sherlock and some sort of brainwashing to make the girl fear him. But then, that would not be significant for the ending.
3) Sherlock did hurt the kids. But no. He is the hero, whatever he says.

Any other explanations?
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Old 21-01-2012, 18:30
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What are the chances that Moriarty really was an actor hired by Moriarty? Maybe even one who looked like M himself? And he was forced to commit suicide much like S was?
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Old 21-01-2012, 18:46
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What are the chances that Moriarty really was an actor hired by Moriarty? Maybe even one who looked like M himself? And he was forced to commit suicide much like S was?
This has been explored. The question it asks is what was the specific hold that M had over his proxy (to commit suicide on demand) and where was this alluded to in the foregoing 80 minutes?
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Old 21-01-2012, 18:56
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I think the important part might be we don't get to see the back of his head.
If you shoot yourself in the mouth, it's not just the back of your head that gets damaged. The first point of impact for the bullet is the soft(ish) tissue inside the mouth. It would be impossible to do it without extensive blood loss out of the front of the face as well as the back of the head. Certainly Sherlock would have known that.

Whether this is a plot twist, or a nod by the producers to the tastefulness of what they could show in a TV broadcast, who knows? (But they didn't have to make him shoot himself through the mouth)
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Old 21-01-2012, 18:59
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Why did SH not check Moriatys body when he shot himself? Surely he would want to make sure he was dead.
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Old 21-01-2012, 19:05
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Though we do see the "body" just before Holmes jumps.
Even so if Moriarty faked his suicide (firing a blank into one's mouth is likely to be fatal in any case!) to what end here?

To me the biggest unanswered question is not how Holmes faked his death but why the young girl screamed.
I thought about that and I reckon it wouldn't have been a blank but the gunshot sound was made by some audio device coupled with a squib on the back of his head .

my feeling is that SH and moriarty are in on it all , they're faking both their deaths to fool someone else
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Old 21-01-2012, 19:44
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This has been explored. The question it asks is what was the specific hold that M had over his proxy (to commit suicide on demand) and where was this alluded to in the foregoing 80 minutes?
well, he did pretend to be an actor hired by sherlock - what if only one of those things were untrue? like in moriarty's story of sherlock, in which most things were true to hide the one big lie. in the case of mofftiss, this can well be hint enough
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Old 21-01-2012, 19:49
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btw, this is just speculation. i think there is more evidence for it really being moriarty. unfortunately i don't trust s.moffat anymore to play by the rules (see dr who finale, where everything pointed at the doctor's death, including the acting of the cast). he loves those unlikely solutions which make everyone's effort to find the most logical solutions seem an utter waste of time. So i tend not to bother with logic anymore and simply list options - however likely. it's a different kind of fun. not as satisfying as when you know that if you think hard and long enough, you may actually deduce the correct answer, though.
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Old 21-01-2012, 20:14
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One thing that's been puzzling me - how did Moriarty manage to make those films threatening the jurors' loved ones when he was in prison on remand?
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Old 21-01-2012, 20:44
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I'd love to know how Holmes can identify glycerol under an optical microscope. It is not as if you can see the molecular structure!
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Old 21-01-2012, 20:50
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Something strange I noticed while watching about ten minutes ago - did Sherlock forget Molly's name? That does seem very out of character.
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Old 21-01-2012, 20:56
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Something strange I noticed while watching about ten minutes ago - did Sherlock forget Molly's name? That does seem very out of character.
I imagine it is to underline that she is of no consequence. A little like the episode with John's girlfriend at Christmas, he erases all from his mind that is no longer of interest.
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Old 21-01-2012, 20:58
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Does the met use cufflinks with chain links?
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Old 21-01-2012, 21:04
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I think the young girl screamed because moriaty brainwashed her. Showing her photos of him and telling her that he (Sherlock) will kill her next time her. All this was to plant the idea in the heads of the police as to Sherlock being a fraud. No other reason.
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Old 21-01-2012, 21:21
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Personaly I think the 'thing everyone has missed' clue that has been mentioned by Steven Moffat is just before M. shots himself, he shakes Sherlocks hand. It had been well established during the episode that the assassins assigned to protect Sherlock were shoot after direct contact, we were actualy shown this when Sherlock shook one of thier hands, hence showing of M. shaking Sherlocks.

I don't think it has been THE Moriarty we have been seeing, after all if they want the series to run longer why kill of the only arch nemesis so early on.

I think the 'I O U' was not a threat but a repayment of a as yet unknown previous encounter.

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Old 21-01-2012, 21:21
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One thing that's been puzzling me - how did Moriarty manage to make those films threatening the jurors' loved ones when he was in prison on remand?
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Old 21-01-2012, 21:31
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So he used molly to get a fake dead body to fake his death, but how did he not die after it clearly showed john watching him jump from that height?
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Old 21-01-2012, 21:32
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Just watched the ep again - that scene at the graveside had my bottom lip wobbling...
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Old 21-01-2012, 21:32
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Personaly I think the 'thing everyone has missed' clue that has been mentioned by Steven Moffat is just before M. shots himself, he shakes Sherlocks hand. It had been well established during the episode that the assassins assigned to protect Sherlock were shoot after direct contact, we were actualy shown this when Sherlock shook one of thier hands, hence showing of M. shaking Sherlocks.

I don't think it has been THE Moriaty we have been seeing, after all if they want the series to run longer why kill of the only arch nemesis so early on.
he may be the onlyy arch nemesis, but he does not show up a lot in ACD. Also, in ACD, he dies in the Fall. But he is the most adapted Sherlock Holmes villain, so maybe they will want to keep him. Or maybe they feel, as I do, that he has outlived his usefulness.
See M. Gatiss' conversation with "randallwrites" on twitter.

I think the 'I O U' was not a threat but a repayment of a as yet unknown previous encounter.

like? I thought it was repayment for working against him for so long. But then, that does sound a bit too general.
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Old 21-01-2012, 21:33
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Personaly I think the 'thing everyone has missed' clue that has been mentioned by Steven Moffat is just before M. shots himself, he shakes Sherlocks hand. It had been well established during the episode that the assassins assigned to protect Sherlock were shoot after direct contact, we were actualy shown this when Sherlock shook one of thier hands, hence showing of M. shaking Sherlocks.

I don't think it has been THE Moriarty we have been seeing, after all if they want the series to run longer why kill of the only arch nemesis so early on.

I think the 'I O U' was not a threat but a repayment of a as yet unknown previous encounter.

Could it be the woman from the first episode because she was in contact with moriaty and she owed sherlock for saving her life.
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