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Sherlock - New BBC Drama (Part 2)
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HandsomeBB
27-04-2012
Something in the sub-text of the tea scene that’s worth pointing out to get us thinking.. That of Snow White - the apple, supported by the Grimm fairytale book and the red seals, a blow-up of one was shown with a chip missing from the side, as if an apple bite, and above it the word ‘Fairy’. Remember how the disguised wicked step-mother ate an un-poisoned part of the poisoned apple before giving it to Snow White.

There was a slow poison somewhere in that tea scene, it’s just a matter of working out where ?? Did Sherlock poison the apple Moriarty ate a wafer of ? Did he or Moriarty poison one of the cups ? Remember only one had a crown on. There was also time in that scene for Moriarty to switch cups.

I’d say the apple is just symbolism for the poisoning. Sherlock poisoned the tea and while Sherlock went to the kitchen for biscuits Moriarty noticed he couldn’t switch cups as one had a crown on and so best he could do is pour his tea into Sherlock’s cup and vice versa each drinking half the poison. Another possibility is it was Moriarty who mixed poison into the sugarbowl or Sherlock’s sugar supply, which over many cups of tea slowly poisoned Sherlock.

The potential for metaphor and foreshadowing in the ‘Hounds’ coffee scene can’t be overlooked. Sherlock making Watson coffee, “You never make coffee”,”You’ve put sugar in this. I don’t take sugar. Mmmm Good.”
Sherlock later analysed it for poison. There's also “Oh they’ve just had tea and biscuits, would you like to know who ate the wafer ?”.

The slow poison could have been Mercury, perhaps radio-active Antimony (symbol Sb, a JS Bach tie in ?) Or uranium oxide. Whatever it was Moriarty knew he had been poisoned and for the rest of the episode tried to get revenge on Sherlock (IOU and the poisoned children set-up. Mercury in the sugar sweets).

I’m not sure at what point Sherlock knew he had been poisoned until the “Molly I think I’m going to die.” There’s possible evidence for him conducting lab analysis during the forensics for the missing kids. There was a microscope visual of bacteria/cells that didn’t fit into the Chalk, Asphalt etc analysis.

I am more confident of the poison’s effect. Sherlock was actually dying. Dying possibly of a brain tumour induced by the poison. One of the effects of a brain tumour is heightened senses, much more in literary foreshadowing it must be said than in real life. Heightened hearing, taste, smell, e.g. identifying the cricket bat oil by tasting, the sugar compound by sniffing. Can anybody find others ??

Once his terminal illness was confirmed with Molly’s help, Sherlock knew that to receive treatment would incapacitate him, time Moriarty would certainly take advantage of. This is the reason Sherlock prepared to fake his own death.

The squeezy ball thing proves Sherlock went on that roof prepared to fall. Don’t you have to squeeze something while giving blood ?
Sherlock and Molly made sure they had Sherlock’s own blood on standby to treat serious injury.
Sherlock knew the best, non-fatal ways of falling from height having tested his theories on the henchman in ‘Scandal’
admitting to dropping him onto Mrs Hudson’s bins several times; also somewhat of a metaphor for Sherlock’s landing in the rubbish collection - alive but injured.

It really was Sherlock seriously injured on the pavement but the moment had been prepared for. Sherlock was quickly whisked away by the med team on standby via Molly for treatment, transfusion and long recovery.
Molly faking the PM. and death certificates.

A final note on the pulse. John couldn’t feel Sherlock’s pulse because John’s hand was being held by the woman with a pigtail who’s face we did not see.
Granny McSmith
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by HandsomeBB:
“Something in the sub-text of the tea scene that’s worth pointing out to get us thinking.. That of Snow White - the apple, supported by the Grimm fairytale book and the red seals, a blow-up of one was shown with a chip missing from the side, as if an apple bite, and above it the word ‘Fairy’. Remember how the disguised wicked step-mother ate an un-poisoned part of the poisoned apple before giving it to Snow White.

There was a slow poison somewhere in that tea scene, it’s just a matter of working out where ?? Did Sherlock poison the apple Moriarty ate a wafer of ? Did he or Moriarty poison one of the cups ? Remember only one had a crown on. There was also time in that scene for Moriarty to switch cups.

I’d say the apple is just symbolism for the poisoning. Sherlock poisoned the tea and while Sherlock went to the kitchen for biscuits Moriarty noticed he couldn’t switch cups as one had a crown on and so best he could do is pour his tea into Sherlock’s cup and vice versa each drinking half the poison. Another possibility is it was Moriarty who mixed poison into the sugarbowl or Sherlock’s sugar supply, which over many cups of tea slowly poisoned Sherlock.

The potential for metaphor and foreshadowing in the ‘Hounds’ coffee scene can’t be overlooked. Sherlock making Watson coffee, “You never make coffee”,”You’ve put sugar in this. I don’t take sugar. Mmmm Good.”
Sherlock later analysed it for poison. There's also “Oh they’ve just had tea and biscuits, would you like to know who ate the wafer ?”.

The slow poison could have been Mercury, perhaps radio-active Antimony (symbol Sb, a JS Bach tie in ?) Or uranium oxide. Whatever it was Moriarty knew he had been poisoned and for the rest of the episode tried to get revenge on Sherlock (IOU and the poisoned children set-up. Mercury in the sugar sweets).

I’m not sure at what point Sherlock knew he had been poisoned until the “Molly I think I’m going to die.” There’s possible evidence for him conducting lab analysis during the forensics for the missing kids. There was a microscope visual of bacteria/cells that didn’t fit into the Chalk, Asphalt etc analysis.

I am more confident of the poison’s effect. Sherlock was actually dying. Dying possibly of a brain tumour induced by the poison. One of the effects of a brain tumour is heightened senses, much more in literary foreshadowing it must be said than in real life. Heightened hearing, taste, smell, e.g. identifying the cricket bat oil by tasting, the sugar compound by sniffing. Can anybody find others ??

Once his terminal illness was confirmed with Molly’s help, Sherlock knew that to receive treatment would incapacitate him, time Moriarty would certainly take advantage of. This is the reason Sherlock prepared to fake his own death.

The squeezy ball thing proves Sherlock went on that roof prepared to fall. Don’t you have to squeeze something while giving blood ?
Sherlock and Molly made sure they had Sherlock’s own blood on standby to treat serious injury.
Sherlock knew the best, non-fatal ways of falling from height having tested his theories on the henchman in ‘Scandal’
admitting to dropping him onto Mrs Hudson’s bins several times; also somewhat of a metaphor for Sherlock’s landing in the rubbish collection - alive but injured.

It really was Sherlock seriously injured on the pavement but the moment had been prepared for. Sherlock was quickly whisked away by the med team on standby via Molly for treatment, transfusion and long recovery.
Molly faking the PM. and death certificates.

A final note on the pulse. John couldn’t feel Sherlock’s pulse because John’s hand was being held by the woman with a pigtail who’s face we did not see.”

Absolutely brilliant!

What did you mean about the mirror though?
HandsomeBB
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“Absolutely brilliant!

What did you mean about the mirror though?”

Trying to get you to think Snow White.

It's also worth checking out on a rewatch the use of mirrors to further support this sub-text. Given Moffat & Gatiss's love of visual cryptic that would include 'The Daily Mirror'.

There was a framed paper in Sherlock's flat, another on the mantlepiece, but I don't have what paper in my notes.

Worryingly, wasn't it The Mirror Mycroft was reading of Sherlock's death from ?
Granny McSmith
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by HandsomeBB:
“Trying to get you to think Snow White.

It's also worth checking out on a rewatch the use of mirrors to further support this sub-text. Given Moffat & Gatiss's love of visual cryptic that would include 'The Daily Mirror'.

There was a framed paper in Sherlock's flat, another on the mantlepiece, but I don't have what paper in my notes.

Worryingly, wasn't it The Mirror Mycroft was reading of Sherlock's death from ?”

Can't remember offhand - I know it was a tabloid.

There was an exchange between John and Sherlock involving a mirror - Sherlock saying he couldn't see his own face (i.e. the expression on it - that knowing look) and John inviting him to look in the mirror. Don't know if you think that's relevant?

Your theory about slow acting poison in the tea is clever. I'd say too clever if any other writer than Moffat was involved .
tallulahula
27-04-2012
WOAH! Excellent stuff
HandsomeBB
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“Your theory about slow acting poison in the tea is clever. I'd say too clever if any other writer than Moffat was involved .”

Thanks for the compliment Granny and tallulahula.

I've been putting that post together over the past couple of weeks inspired by your tea consideration to finally get to the bottom of it.

Perhaps Moffat co-wrote some of Shakespeare's plays ?
Granny McSmith
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by HandsomeBB:
“Thanks for the compliment Granny and tallulahula.

I've been putting that post together over the past couple of weeks inspired by your tea consideration to finally get to the bottom of it.

Perhaps Moffat co-wrote some of Shakespeare's plays ? ”

It wouldn't surprise me if he actually did have access to a Time Machine!

I'm going to rewatch The Reichenbach Fall with your ideas in mind. (I know - any excuse!)
Tiggs99
04-05-2012
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“Can't remember offhand - I know it was a tabloid.

There was an exchange between John and Sherlock involving a mirror - Sherlock saying he couldn't see his own face (i.e. the expression on it - that knowing look) and John inviting him to look in the mirror. Don't know if you think that's relevant?

Your theory about slow acting poison in the tea is clever. I'd say too clever if any other writer than Moffat was involved .”

I like your idea too Handsome. But not sure to the point that he had a tumour and was dying. Because then that would mean he would really die...wouldn't it? Or am I missing something?
HandsomeBB
04-05-2012
Originally Posted by Tiggs99:
“I like your idea too Handsome. But not sure to the point that he had a tumour and was dying. Because then that would mean he would really die...wouldn't it? Or am I missing something?”

Hiya Tiggs good to see you.

I’m taking Sherlock’s illness or tumour to be still curable with treatment. e.g. chemo, op, transfusion etc. Lengthy treatment that would leave Sherlock vulnerable to attack by Moriarty if he knew Sherlock had found him out. Thus a need to fake his own death and lull Moriarty into a false sense of security.

Notice to support this that the therapist and graveyard scenes are at least three months after the fall. There must have been some reason Sherlock couldn’t reveal himself alive straight after the assassins had packed up and soon left Baker St.


It only occurred to me last week to check Reichenbach writer Steven Thomson’s DW episode The Curse of the Black Spot for extra Sherlock clues. (I know. I’m slipping.)

The one about the pirates who when they prick their finger get put into a coma behind a high dimensional barrier and Amy has to revive Rory with the kiss of life.
Tiggs99
07-05-2012
Originally Posted by HandsomeBB:
“Hiya Tiggs good to see you.

I’m taking Sherlock’s illness or tumour to be still curable with treatment. e.g. chemo, op, transfusion etc. Lengthy treatment that would leave Sherlock vulnerable to attack by Moriarty if he knew Sherlock had found him out. Thus a need to fake his own death and lull Moriarty into a false sense of security.

Notice to support this that the therapist and graveyard scenes are at least three months after the fall. There must have been some reason Sherlock couldn’t reveal himself alive straight after the assassins had packed up and soon left Baker St.


It only occurred to me last week to check Reichenbach writer Steven Thomson’s DW episode The Curse of the Black Spot for extra Sherlock clues. (I know. I’m slipping.)

The one about the pirates who when they prick their finger get put into a coma behind a high dimensional barrier and Amy has to revive Rory with the kiss of life.”

Hmm I totally get what you are saying now Handsome.

You have however, led me off down a totally different train of thought now, as I'm wondering if anyone had to give Sherlock the kiss of life.....
sw2963
07-05-2012
Keep voting for Sherlock!!!
http://www.youtube.com/baftaonline
HandsomeBB
07-05-2012
Originally Posted by Tiggs99:
“Hmm I totally get what you are saying now Handsome.

You have however, led me off down a totally different train of thought now, as I'm wondering if anyone had to give Sherlock the kiss of life.....”

They'd probably cut themselves.
Granny McSmith
07-05-2012
Originally Posted by HandsomeBB:
“They'd probably cut themselves. ”

It would be worth it
Tiggs99
09-05-2012
Originally Posted by HandsomeBB:
“They'd probably cut themselves. ”

Ooh very good.
StrictlyRed
14-05-2012
A little bit of Sherlock news.......

Steven Moffat has been awarded a writing prize at the Bafta Craft Awards for A Scandal in Belgravia, which was also recognised for sound and editing.
Granny McSmith
14-05-2012
Deleted. Double post.
Granny McSmith
14-05-2012
Originally Posted by StrictlyRed:
“A little bit of Sherlock news.......

Steven Moffat has been awarded a writing prize at the Bafta Craft Awards for A Scandal in Belgravia, which was also recognised for sound and editing.”

Great - I'm really pleased for him.

Well deserved.
Granny McSmith
27-05-2012
So, sadly, Sherlock didn't win the Audience Award at the Baftas - someone called Keith Lemon, who I've not had the misfortune to see before and hope never to see again won it. He seemed incapable of speaking coherently, whether through drink, nerves or imbecility I have no idea.

Anyway, congratulations to Andrew Scott for winning Best Supporting Actor for Moriarty.
ntscuser
27-05-2012
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“So, sadly, Sherlock didn't win the Audience Award at the Baftas”

It was at least nominated for the Audience Award.

That it wasn't nominated for best mini-series tells you something about the luvvies who make up Bafta!
Deserana 12
27-05-2012
It wasn't elligeble (or however you spell it) for mini series was it? How could it win last year then get even better reviews for it second series and not even be nominated so I'm sure it must not have been elligeble.
ntscuser
27-05-2012
Originally Posted by Deserana 12:
“It wasn't elligeble (or however you spell it) for mini series was it?”

I don't know, the category didn't exist last year but it wasn't nominated for Best Drama Series this year either. Nor was Downton Abbey!

Originally Posted by Deserana 12:
“How could it win last year then get even better reviews for it second series and not even be nominated.”

Because it wasn't its turn?
AoibheannRose
27-05-2012
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“ someone called Keith Lemon, who I've not had the misfortune to see before and hope never to see again won it. He seemed incapable of speaking coherently, whether through drink, nerves or imbecility I have no idea.”

He's a character, not a real person, and that's his shtick.
nethwen
27-05-2012
Originally Posted by Deserana 12:
“It wasn't elligeble (or however you spell it) for mini series was it? How could it win last year then get even better reviews for it second series and not even be nominated so I'm sure it must not have been elligeble.”

Eligible.

Whilst I'm really pleased that Andrew Scott and Steven Moffat got BAFTAs tonight, as they were totally deserved; but (for the second year running) I'm totally gutted that Benedict didn't win - again. When is this brilliant actor going to be given the recognition he so deserves for his acting talents (and not just in Sherlock)? Can't believe it.
Deserana 12
28-05-2012
Originally Posted by ntscuser:
“I don't know, the category didn't exist last year but it wasn't nominated for Best Drama Series this year either. Nor was Downton Abbey!”

It was something like Drama series had to have at least 6 episodes.
Stockingfiller
28-05-2012
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“Eligible.

Whilst I'm really pleased that Andrew Scott and Steven Moffat got BAFTAs tonight, as they were totally deserved; but (for the second year running) I'm totally gutted that Benedict didn't win - again. When is this brilliant actor going to be given the recognition he so deserves for his acting talents (and not just in Sherlock)? Can't believe it. ”

I can believe it ! BAFTA seems to enjoy trying to be unpredictable. They've done it so often that it's now - predictable. Phil Glenister hasn't had a BAFTA, nor has John Simm. If someone is brilliant, they usually get left out.

So now, the amazingly brilliant Mr Cumberbatch has been snubbed too. If the trend continues, it'll soon be a greater honour to have not won an award than to have won one.

Another motive seems to be the deliberate selection of the grittiest, most shocking social depravation stuff. BAFTA loves, that...in preference to actual brilliant performances.

If they think that something or someone is middle class or even worse, some sort of toff, or the subject matter is middle class, they react against that, too. It's a political thing. :yawn:
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