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Old 21-01-2012, 21:39
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Just noticed something and re-watched a couple of times to check. When John first sees Sherlock 'dead', the rubbish truck is there and apparantly starting to move, but when he gets run over, it is completely gone from the shot, before we see the back end in a different shot, and when it cuts to the shot of Sherlock's dead body again, it's only just pulling away.

Possibly just a continuity error of course.
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Old 21-01-2012, 21:44
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... but how did he not die after it clearly showed john watching him jump from that height?
Many on here and elsewhere have accepted the premise that John (and the viewer) is unsighted and therefore does not see Holmes break his fall in the laundry truck.
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Old 21-01-2012, 21:46
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Worth waiting to see this on BBC Three for the series' finish and the clever cryptic ending.
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Old 21-01-2012, 21:49
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wasn't there a policeman that looked quite similar to Sherlock, could it have been him pretending to be Sherlock
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Old 21-01-2012, 21:53
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I know this is probably insignificant but something that got me thinking was something Molly said about Sherlock looking sad when he thought John wasn't looking at him. Would that tie in with the rooftop scene? I know that's probably been covered...
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Old 21-01-2012, 21:57
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Could it be the woman from the first episode because she was in contact with moriaty and she owed sherlock for saving her life.
or maybe it is short for something? International Obfuscation Union?
like HOUND was an acronym, too? maybe Moriarty was their director?
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Old 21-01-2012, 22:00
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I know this is probably insignificant but something that got me thinking was something Molly said about Sherlock looking sad when he thought John wasn't looking at him. Would that tie in with the rooftop scene? I know that's probably been covered...
trying to remember when that was exactly. it seems at this point Sherlock might already know that he will have to hurt/leave John. could anyone who has seen it more than once elaborate?
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Old 21-01-2012, 22:03
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the conversation with Molly is just strange

Sherlock - "You're wrong you know you do count, you've always counted and I've always trusted you"

Sherlock - "But you were right I'm not ok"

Molly - "Tell me what's wrong"

Sherlock - "Molly I think I'm going to die"

Molly - "what do you need"

Sherlock "If I wasn't everything you think I am, everything that I think I am would you still want to help me"

Molly "What do you need"

Sherlock "You"


It's out of character and makes no sense and I don't get it.

I also didn't understand him asking for the moment of privacy on the roof


Also when he texts Moriarty what is with the PS got something of yours that you might want back

And also prob a dumb question but how does he have Moriartys phone number?
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Old 21-01-2012, 22:08
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Hi,
This is my fist time post on any forum but my increasing obsession with 'The Final Problem' has brought me out of Lurking mode.
A couple of things that occurred to me on second viewing tonight:

During the early scenes Sherlock plays with the Deerstalker hat - suggesting it could perhaps be a frisby. - a reminder of the boomerang death. When on the top of Barts could Moriarty be killed from a blow from behind from a similar object? The gun shot could have come from somewhere else - perhaps the assassin who we are made to believe is for John - because we see him in the gun sights later. After Moriarty falls to his 'death' Sherlock scans the horizon as if looking to see who is out there. - Could it be Jim Moriarty senior? as mentioned on these posts - the brother?
I am not convinced that Sherlock did not know exactly what was going on - he is always one step ahead and never surprised by any information. Does he know that there is a bigger adversary out there - one not on the roof? I am sure he knew all about the binary code and his surprise is a double bluff.

We are made to believe that the workman and office worker are the assassins for Mrs Hudson and Lestrard but Moriarty refers to 3 gun shots - the workman has a screwdriver - could this be a red herring and Moriarty is bluffing - he does not really know who Sherlocks friends are - not until sherlock tells him.
As far as the leap goes there are no shots of Sherlock - full body talking to John whilst also clearly on the ledge. He could have someone stood with a phone in his hand, dressed in his clothes, whilst he (Sherlock) has the conversation elsewhere on the roof. - But my instinct is that it is sherlok into truck as mentioned. - and he has adversaries beyond the Moriarty on the roof to deal with.
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Old 21-01-2012, 22:10
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And also prob a dumb question but how does he have Moriartys phone number?
Moriarty texts him early in the episode - something along the lines of 'Meet me at Tower Hill'.
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Old 21-01-2012, 22:10
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It's out of character and makes no sense and I don't get it.


Also when he texts Moriarty what is with the PS got something of yours that you might want back

And also prob a dumb question but how does he have Moriartys phone number?
the strangeness may be due to the dire situation. the phone number was probably not a problem. either he deduced it or M gave it to him offscreen.

the PS though ... when is that? could it refer to a mask of Sherlock's face M used to scare the kids?
I NEED TO WATCH THIS AGAIN!
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Old 21-01-2012, 22:12
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The text is sent when Moriarty has his hands uffed behind his back - is it from someone else?
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Old 21-01-2012, 22:15
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The text is sent when Moriarty has his hands uffed behind his back - is it from someone else?
Ah, but he took a photo of the 'crown jewels' sign at the Tower of London and text it to Sherlock before the robbery. It beeped but Sherlock ignored it at first.
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Old 21-01-2012, 22:16
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The text is sent when Moriarty has his hands uffed behind his back - is it from someone else?
Moran? He could also be the one to have threatened the jury members.
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Old 21-01-2012, 22:22
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Could the girl who was screaming in the office be screaming at Watson for some reason not Sherlock
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Old 21-01-2012, 22:23
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the strangeness may be due to the dire situation. the phone number was probably not a problem. either he deduced it or M gave it to him offscreen.

the PS though ... when is that? could it refer to a mask of Sherlock's face M used to scare the kids?
I NEED TO WATCH THIS AGAIN!
I don't get the PS it can't be the code because Moriarty already has it or so Sherlock thinks.
His penknife why would he be desperate to give it him back.
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Old 21-01-2012, 22:26
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I have been rewatching the "Baskerville" episode tonight.

When Watson is in the lab, and thinks he sees the hound, but it is Sherlock manipulating what is going on....later on Sherlock says to him " you saw what you expected to see" am now wondering if that was a clue, and we "saw" what happened to Sherlock jumping off the building as we were seeing it through Watson's eyes seems to tie in with the halucinogenic drug taking as well, so that's my new theory.

Sherlock jumps onto the lorry and his fall is broken by the rubbish bags

substitute body placed on the pavement by Molly

Watson expects to see Sherlock but he's been disoriented by the hit by the bicycle, and possible intake of drug.

Elementary...or perhaps not
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Old 21-01-2012, 22:26
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Sorry if i am being stupid in pursuing the accomplice idea - its just in the court roomt we assume Moriarty is looking at John when he pulls a face but there is another dark haired man beside John in the audience that he could be looking at.
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Old 21-01-2012, 22:32
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Roof scene, fall scene

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...uff/Barts4.jpg
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Old 21-01-2012, 23:22
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What was the white thing around Sherlock's waist that can be seen when he is falling? Don't think it's his shirt because he was wearing a purple one?
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Old 21-01-2012, 23:59
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I think the young girl screamed because moriaty brainwashed her. Showing her photos of him and telling her that he (Sherlock) will kill her next time her. All this was to plant the idea in the heads of the police as to Sherlock being a fraud. No other reason.
Or Sergeant Donovan planting ideas in the young girl's head? Donovan has, after all, had it in for Sherlock since the very first episode; and she is even more blatant about her distrust of him in 'The Reichenbach Fall'.
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Old 22-01-2012, 00:07
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I know this is probably insignificant but something that got me thinking was something Molly said about Sherlock looking sad when he thought John wasn't looking at him. Would that tie in with the rooftop scene? I know that's probably been covered...
sherlock went back and said to molly i need your help
so yes
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Old 22-01-2012, 00:08
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Aaahhhh! Thanks for that, iamian. It's been driving me mad lol.

Now what we need to deduce from that is if this is due to the filming process only or if it is deliberately done that way i.e. Sherlock being in two places at once on the roof, one being Sherlock himself and another being a lookalike...?
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Old 22-01-2012, 00:19
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If you shoot yourself in the mouth, it's not just the back of your head that gets damaged. The first point of impact for the bullet is the soft(ish) tissue inside the mouth. It would be impossible to do it without extensive blood loss out of the front of the face as well as the back of the head. Certainly Sherlock would have known that.

Whether this is a plot twist, or a nod by the producers to the tastefulness of what they could show in a TV broadcast, who knows? (But they didn't have to make him shoot himself through the mouth)
What would happen to the mouth in this case? As an FM already pointed out on the other thread, we see Moriarty lying there with his mouth almost closed after he apparantly killed himself.
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Old 22-01-2012, 01:08
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...ary-isnt-.html


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