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Just noticed something and re-watched a couple of times to check. When John first sees Sherlock 'dead', the rubbish truck is there and apparantly starting to move, but when he gets run over, it is completely gone from the shot, before we see the back end in a different shot, and when it cuts to the shot of Sherlock's dead body again, it's only just pulling away.
Possibly just a continuity error of course.
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... but how did he not die after it clearly showed john watching him jump from that height?
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Worth waiting to see this on BBC Three for the series' finish and the clever cryptic ending.
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wasn't there a policeman that looked quite similar to Sherlock, could it have been him pretending to be Sherlock
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I know this is probably insignificant but something that got me thinking was something Molly said about Sherlock looking sad when he thought John wasn't looking at him. Would that tie in with the rooftop scene? I know that's probably been covered...
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Could it be the woman from the first episode because she was in contact with moriaty and she owed sherlock for saving her life.
like HOUND was an acronym, too? maybe Moriarty was their director? |
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I know this is probably insignificant but something that got me thinking was something Molly said about Sherlock looking sad when he thought John wasn't looking at him. Would that tie in with the rooftop scene? I know that's probably been covered...
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the conversation with Molly is just strange
Sherlock - "You're wrong you know you do count, you've always counted and I've always trusted you" Sherlock - "But you were right I'm not ok" Molly - "Tell me what's wrong" Sherlock - "Molly I think I'm going to die" Molly - "what do you need" Sherlock "If I wasn't everything you think I am, everything that I think I am would you still want to help me" Molly "What do you need" Sherlock "You" It's out of character and makes no sense and I don't get it. I also didn't understand him asking for the moment of privacy on the roof Also when he texts Moriarty what is with the PS got something of yours that you might want back And also prob a dumb question but how does he have Moriartys phone number? |
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Bluff and double bluff
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This is my fist time post on any forum but my increasing obsession with 'The Final Problem' has brought me out of Lurking mode. A couple of things that occurred to me on second viewing tonight: During the early scenes Sherlock plays with the Deerstalker hat - suggesting it could perhaps be a frisby. - a reminder of the boomerang death. When on the top of Barts could Moriarty be killed from a blow from behind from a similar object? The gun shot could have come from somewhere else - perhaps the assassin who we are made to believe is for John - because we see him in the gun sights later. After Moriarty falls to his 'death' Sherlock scans the horizon as if looking to see who is out there. - Could it be Jim Moriarty senior? as mentioned on these posts - the brother? I am not convinced that Sherlock did not know exactly what was going on - he is always one step ahead and never surprised by any information. Does he know that there is a bigger adversary out there - one not on the roof? I am sure he knew all about the binary code and his surprise is a double bluff. We are made to believe that the workman and office worker are the assassins for Mrs Hudson and Lestrard but Moriarty refers to 3 gun shots - the workman has a screwdriver - could this be a red herring and Moriarty is bluffing - he does not really know who Sherlocks friends are - not until sherlock tells him. As far as the leap goes there are no shots of Sherlock - full body talking to John whilst also clearly on the ledge. He could have someone stood with a phone in his hand, dressed in his clothes, whilst he (Sherlock) has the conversation elsewhere on the roof. - But my instinct is that it is sherlok into truck as mentioned. - and he has adversaries beyond the Moriarty on the roof to deal with. |
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And also prob a dumb question but how does he have Moriartys phone number?
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It's out of character and makes no sense and I don't get it.
Also when he texts Moriarty what is with the PS got something of yours that you might want back And also prob a dumb question but how does he have Moriartys phone number? the PS though ... when is that? could it refer to a mask of Sherlock's face M used to scare the kids? I NEED TO WATCH THIS AGAIN! |
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The text is sent when Moriarty has his hands uffed behind his back - is it from someone else?
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The text is sent when Moriarty has his hands uffed behind his back - is it from someone else?
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The text is sent when Moriarty has his hands uffed behind his back - is it from someone else?
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Could the girl who was screaming in the office be screaming at Watson for some reason not Sherlock
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the strangeness may be due to the dire situation. the phone number was probably not a problem. either he deduced it or M gave it to him offscreen.
the PS though ... when is that? could it refer to a mask of Sherlock's face M used to scare the kids? I NEED TO WATCH THIS AGAIN! His penknife why would he be desperate to give it him back. |
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I have been rewatching the "Baskerville" episode tonight.
When Watson is in the lab, and thinks he sees the hound, but it is Sherlock manipulating what is going on....later on Sherlock says to him " you saw what you expected to see" am now wondering if that was a clue, and we "saw" what happened to Sherlock jumping off the building as we were seeing it through Watson's eyes seems to tie in with the halucinogenic drug taking as well, so that's my new theory.Sherlock jumps onto the lorry and his fall is broken by the rubbish bags substitute body placed on the pavement by Molly Watson expects to see Sherlock but he's been disoriented by the hit by the bicycle, and possible intake of drug. Elementary...or perhaps not |
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Sorry if i am being stupid in pursuing the accomplice idea - its just in the court roomt we assume Moriarty is looking at John when he pulls a face but there is another dark haired man beside John in the audience that he could be looking at.
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What was the white thing around Sherlock's waist that can be seen when he is falling? Don't think it's his shirt because he was wearing a purple one?
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I think the young girl screamed because moriaty brainwashed her. Showing her photos of him and telling her that he (Sherlock) will kill her next time her. All this was to plant the idea in the heads of the police as to Sherlock being a fraud. No other reason.
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I know this is probably insignificant but something that got me thinking was something Molly said about Sherlock looking sad when he thought John wasn't looking at him. Would that tie in with the rooftop scene? I know that's probably been covered...
so yes
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Now what we need to deduce from that is if this is due to the filming process only or if it is deliberately done that way i.e. Sherlock being in two places at once on the roof, one being Sherlock himself and another being a lookalike...? |
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If you shoot yourself in the mouth, it's not just the back of your head that gets damaged. The first point of impact for the bullet is the soft(ish) tissue inside the mouth. It would be impossible to do it without extensive blood loss out of the front of the face as well as the back of the head. Certainly Sherlock would have known that.
Whether this is a plot twist, or a nod by the producers to the tastefulness of what they could show in a TV broadcast, who knows? (But they didn't have to make him shoot himself through the mouth) |
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