It'll be so frustrating watching the next series finding out everything followed by an obligatory, "Oh of course..." Lol.
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Ha! I'm pleased to announce that I'm not the only one to mention Sherlock in the telephone box theory 
http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/y...toise/hmmm.jpg
This is not my pic btw.
I also noticed that Martin Freeman is wearing an earpiece in his right ear whilst talking to Sherlock on the roof. I realise this also can mean nothing to the plot but just putting it out there anyway.
http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/y...toise/hmmm.jpg
This is not my pic btw.
I also noticed that Martin Freeman is wearing an earpiece in his right ear whilst talking to Sherlock on the roof. I realise this also can mean nothing to the plot but just putting it out there anyway.
Originally Posted by StarSupernova:
“It'll be so frustrating watching the next series finding out everything followed by an obligatory, "Oh of course..." Lol.”
“It'll be so frustrating watching the next series finding out everything followed by an obligatory, "Oh of course..." Lol.”
As much as I love this adaptation of Sherlock, I was slightly disappointed in the Moriarty phone ringing solution to get out of series one's cliffhanger tbh. It seemed too easy to me.
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“As much as I love this adaptation of Sherlock, I was slightly disappointed in the Moriarty phone ringing solution to get out of series one's cliffhanger tbh. It seemed too easy to me.”
“As much as I love this adaptation of Sherlock, I was slightly disappointed in the Moriarty phone ringing solution to get out of series one's cliffhanger tbh. It seemed too easy to me.”
Ditto here, although it didn't spoil my enjoyment of that particular episode.
I expect to be equally disapointed with the resolution of this series' finalé.
Originally Posted by HandsomeBB:
“Interesting tweet from Mr Gatiss to consider :
http://twitter.com/Markgatiss
randallwrites
@Markgatiss On second viewing, I think if Moriarity'd really shot off a gun inside his mouth more of his head would be missing. #Sherlock
Markgatiss
@randallwrites You're forgetting something important.”
“Interesting tweet from Mr Gatiss to consider :
http://twitter.com/Markgatiss
randallwrites
@Markgatiss On second viewing, I think if Moriarity'd really shot off a gun inside his mouth more of his head would be missing. #Sherlock
Markgatiss
@randallwrites You're forgetting something important.”
That it's not real, and it's only acting? Is that what Mark Gatiss is implying?
Originally Posted by ntscuser:
“Ditto here, although it didn't spoil my enjoyment of that particular episode.
I expect to be equally disapointed with the resolution of this series' finalé.”
“Ditto here, although it didn't spoil my enjoyment of that particular episode.
I expect to be equally disapointed with the resolution of this series' finalé.
”
No, it didn't totally spoil my enjoyment of the episode either. I just thought uh, is that it?
The Reichenbach Fall conundrum could result in another easy one though - but not before we've driven ourselves mad in trying to work it all out.
Originally Posted by iamian:
“Take a look here:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...uff/Barts3.jpg
At 1.21.16 he's falling past the 3rd floor window but at 1.21.17, after we catch a glimpse of Watson he's now higher and about to pass the same window.
Just wondered.”
“Take a look here:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...uff/Barts3.jpg
At 1.21.16 he's falling past the 3rd floor window but at 1.21.17, after we catch a glimpse of Watson he's now higher and about to pass the same window.
Just wondered.”
And another thing - apart from the fact that I should get a life
- borrowing your pic of the fallhttp://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...uff/Barts3.jpg
what is the probability of the way he is falling there to be able to land on the ground in this position here
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...21_634x477.jpg
parallel to the laundry lorry and the road?
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My theory:
I think Sherlock was in the telephone box on the corner, and when the cyclist knocked over Watson, the phone rang as a cue for Sherlock to nip out to said laundry van, where Molly was waiting with fake blood and squash ball to slow/stop Sherlock's pulse (although Sherlock could have taken some Rhododendron Ponticum which can cause bradycardia). Sherlock then jumps out of the van onto the pavement, Molly spreads some more fake blood around his head, then drives off in the laundry van. Meanwhile, John Watson gets up from where he was lying on the ground, rushes over to where Sherlock is lying, and sees what he expects to see. Sherlock is then wheeled into the hospital by trolley, makes a sharp exit, then he makes himself scarce for a few months until the next episode - 'The Empty House'.
Ta da! Case closed.
A bigger mystery is how a pair of innocent rigid cuffs, applied to sherlocks left wrist in his flat, when he is arrested, suddenly turn into a pair of chain link ones outside on the street, with which he and watson are linked together for the escape. Continuity error, my dear watson!
There's a very detailed two-page analysis of what might have happened in today's Mail on Sunday although they don't actually come up with a definitive solution.They also quote Steven Moffatt saying they have already shot part of the sequence explaining what's happened for Series 3.
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“Aaahhhh! Thanks for that, iamian. It's been driving me mad lol.
Now what we need to deduce from that is if this is due to the filming process only or if it is deliberately done that way i.e. Sherlock being in two places at once on the roof, one being Sherlock himself and another being a lookalike...?”
“Aaahhhh! Thanks for that, iamian. It's been driving me mad lol.
Now what we need to deduce from that is if this is due to the filming process only or if it is deliberately done that way i.e. Sherlock being in two places at once on the roof, one being Sherlock himself and another being a lookalike...?”
IMHO having sets Barts as the location since 1:1 it made a fittingly dramatic and photogenic location for his final denouement and had the right features for Watson (and the viewer) to be unsighted. However it did not have a flat roof so for reasons of continuity and cost they moved to the nearest convenient flat roof. No conspiracies needed.
I think Sherlock asked Molly for a corpse. The way Watson spoke after the fall, he sounded like drunk or on something, so maybe the cyclist gave him something quickly to prevent him to recognise the switch.
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“randallwrites
@Markgatiss On second viewing, I think if Moriarity'd really shot off a gun inside his mouth more of his head would be missing. #Sherlock
Markgatiss
@randallwrites You're forgetting something important.
That it's not real, and it's only acting? Is that what Mark Gatiss is implying?”
“randallwrites
@Markgatiss On second viewing, I think if Moriarity'd really shot off a gun inside his mouth more of his head would be missing. #Sherlock
Markgatiss
@randallwrites You're forgetting something important.
That it's not real, and it's only acting? Is that what Mark Gatiss is implying?
”
that is not the end of the conversation. randallwrites answers that he has found a theory online that could be what Gatiss means. Gatiss replys to that, saying that he meant that the BBC has a policy of not showing splattered brains.
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“Or Sergeant Donovan planting ideas in the young girl's head? Donovan has, after all, had it in for Sherlock since the very first episode; and she is even more blatant about her distrust of him in 'The Reichenbach Fall'.”
“Or Sergeant Donovan planting ideas in the young girl's head? Donovan has, after all, had it in for Sherlock since the very first episode; and she is even more blatant about her distrust of him in 'The Reichenbach Fall'.”
nah, though she may have helped without realizing it. In any case: Donovan and Anderson = Rosencrantz and Guildenstern! Off with their heads!!!
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“What would happen to the mouth in this case? As an FM already pointed out on the other thread, we see Moriarty lying there with his mouth almost closed after he apparantly killed himself.”
“What would happen to the mouth in this case? As an FM already pointed out on the other thread, we see Moriarty lying there with his mouth almost closed after he apparantly killed himself.”
Even if it could have blown his whole head apart, would the BBC show that? See Mark Gatiss' tweet to randallwrites concerning this.
I've been looking at some of the dates against John's blog.
The first one that he's typing in A scandal in Belgravia is dated 30th May. The visit to the palace took place in September, and as we know Irene's 'death' took place at Christmas.
She left her phone with Sherlock for 'several' months, before the conclusion of that story.
The Baskerville case is written up in March, and his final blog about Sherlock is dated June.
This is a timescale of over 12 months from the events are the start of ASIB to the 'suicides' of Moriaty and Sherlock.
That would be a long time for Moriaty to get someone to pretend to be him, if he really was Rich Brook, and if this was the case, why would Irene have phoned the phoney Moriaty in ASIB, instead of the real one?
And, another thing, remember Sherlock apologised to Molly in ASIB and all the others looked at him in astonishment as that was so out of character.
The first one that he's typing in A scandal in Belgravia is dated 30th May. The visit to the palace took place in September, and as we know Irene's 'death' took place at Christmas.
She left her phone with Sherlock for 'several' months, before the conclusion of that story.
The Baskerville case is written up in March, and his final blog about Sherlock is dated June.
This is a timescale of over 12 months from the events are the start of ASIB to the 'suicides' of Moriaty and Sherlock.
That would be a long time for Moriaty to get someone to pretend to be him, if he really was Rich Brook, and if this was the case, why would Irene have phoned the phoney Moriaty in ASIB, instead of the real one?
And, another thing, remember Sherlock apologised to Molly in ASIB and all the others looked at him in astonishment as that was so out of character.
Originally Posted by ftv:
“There's a very detailed two-page analysis of what might have happened in today's Mail on Sunday although they don't actually come up with a definitive solution.They also quote Steven Moffatt saying they have already shot part of the sequence explaining what's happened for Series 3.”
“There's a very detailed two-page analysis of what might have happened in today's Mail on Sunday although they don't actually come up with a definitive solution.They also quote Steven Moffatt saying they have already shot part of the sequence explaining what's happened for Series 3.”
In the same MoS article it states "in an interview yesterday Moffat says that everyone has missed..." Seemingly he has said the same thing in multiple interviews daily since last Tuesday so:
1. Moffat reads all this stuff on DS, Twitter etc. and we have all still to identify this big mysterious clue.
2. Moffat doesn't read all this stuff on DS, Twitter etc. and though we have all already identified this big mysterious clue he doesn't know that we have it figured.
3. Moffat does read all this stuff on DS, Twitter etc. and though we have all already identified this big mysterious clue he's not letting on.
4. Moffat thinks he is above all of this and says these things to appear clever.
5. It's sloppy, lazy journalism repeating the same old stuff for days on end.
Could be nothing, but the body loaded up, I don't think it's Sherlock.
http://i.imgur.com/RAa5A.png
In fact, zoomed it, looks rather like Moriarty.
http://i.imgur.com/RAa5A.png
In fact, zoomed it, looks rather like Moriarty.
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“...although Sherlock could have taken some Rhododendron Ponticum which can cause bradycardia).”
“...although Sherlock could have taken some Rhododendron Ponticum which can cause bradycardia).”
Is that the plant that Shelock mentions in connection with the Hansel and Gretel / Addlestone abduction?
My two pen'orth, FWIW, is that there's no way Moriarty can be dead, as it would be so out of character as to be incredibly lazy writing. M doesn't care one jot either way about S's friends, so he doesn't want them dead out of any sort of revenge. On the contrary, he cares so little for them, that he only wanted them dead in order to make S suffer, so killing himself so that S couldn't force him to call off the killings - as was the supposed reason he did it - is pointless, as what's the point of M wanting them killed if he's not going to be alive to see how much it tortured S?
Originally Posted by gashead:
“My two pen'orth, FWIW, is that there's no way Moriarty can be dead, as it would be so out of character as to be incredibly lazy writing. M doesn't care one jot either way about S's friends, so he doesn't want them dead out of any sort of revenge. On the contrary, he cares so little for them, that he only wanted them dead in order to make S suffer, so killing himself so that S couldn't force him to call off the killings - as was the supposed reason he did it - is pointless, as what's the point of M wanting them killed if he's not going to be alive to see how much it tortured S?”
“My two pen'orth, FWIW, is that there's no way Moriarty can be dead, as it would be so out of character as to be incredibly lazy writing. M doesn't care one jot either way about S's friends, so he doesn't want them dead out of any sort of revenge. On the contrary, he cares so little for them, that he only wanted them dead in order to make S suffer, so killing himself so that S couldn't force him to call off the killings - as was the supposed reason he did it - is pointless, as what's the point of M wanting them killed if he's not going to be alive to see how much it tortured S?”
That's a good point, but Moriarty had said that "staying alive" was boring; the thing that was keeping him going was battling wits with Sherlock, and Sherlock was letting him think he (Moriarty) had defeated him, so that challenge was gone too...hence, Moriarty found it easy to bow out....personally, I think it really is that simple regarding Moriarty's death, although having said that, I wouldn't be too shocked if he was resurrected next series, either!
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“And another thing - apart from the fact that I should get a life - borrowing your pic of the fall
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...uff/Barts3.jpg
what is the probability of the way he is falling there to be able to land on the ground in this position here
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...21_634x477.jpg
parallel to the laundry lorry and the road?
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My theory:
I think Sherlock was in the telephone box on the corner, and when the cyclist knocked over Watson, the phone rang as a cue for Sherlock to nip out to said laundry van, where Molly was waiting with fake blood and squash ball to slow/stop Sherlock's pulse (although Sherlock could have taken some Rhododendron Ponticum which can cause bradycardia). Sherlock then jumps out of the van onto the pavement, Molly spreads some more fake blood around his head, then drives off in the laundry van. Meanwhile, John Watson gets up from where he was lying on the ground, rushes over to where Sherlock is lying, and sees what he expects to see. Sherlock is then wheeled into the hospital by trolley, makes a sharp exit, then he makes himself scarce for a few months until the next episode - 'The Empty House'.
Ta da! Case closed.”
“And another thing - apart from the fact that I should get a life
- borrowing your pic of the fallhttp://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...uff/Barts3.jpg
what is the probability of the way he is falling there to be able to land on the ground in this position here
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...21_634x477.jpg
parallel to the laundry lorry and the road?
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My theory:
I think Sherlock was in the telephone box on the corner, and when the cyclist knocked over Watson, the phone rang as a cue for Sherlock to nip out to said laundry van, where Molly was waiting with fake blood and squash ball to slow/stop Sherlock's pulse (although Sherlock could have taken some Rhododendron Ponticum which can cause bradycardia). Sherlock then jumps out of the van onto the pavement, Molly spreads some more fake blood around his head, then drives off in the laundry van. Meanwhile, John Watson gets up from where he was lying on the ground, rushes over to where Sherlock is lying, and sees what he expects to see. Sherlock is then wheeled into the hospital by trolley, makes a sharp exit, then he makes himself scarce for a few months until the next episode - 'The Empty House'.
Ta da! Case closed.
”
So if both Sherlock and Molly were at ground level, who was on the roof and who did John see falling !!
The way he fell was strange to me he didn't just jump he was in a 'spreadeagled' sort of shape as if to slow his fall ..... in to a laundry truck?
Okay... I'm going to try and write a definitive list of "clues we missed" as they're all brilliant... Please add if I've missed anything. Having trouble keeping up...!
The man in the telephone box.
The girl screaming at Holmes.
The way Moriarty killed himself.
The handshake.
The way Mycroft released Morarty.
And Mycroft being supposedly stupid enough to give Moriarty all that he knew on Holmes.
The rubber ball.
The phone call to Watson informing him of Mrs Hudson's shooting.
I.O.U.
The man in the telephone box.
The girl screaming at Holmes.
The way Moriarty killed himself.
The handshake.
The way Mycroft released Morarty.
And Mycroft being supposedly stupid enough to give Moriarty all that he knew on Holmes.
The rubber ball.
The phone call to Watson informing him of Mrs Hudson's shooting.
I.O.U.
Originally Posted by iamian:
“In the same MoS article it states "in an interview yesterday Moffat says that everyone has missed..." Seemingly he has said the same thing in multiple interviews daily since last Tuesday so:
1. Moffat reads all this stuff on DS, Twitter etc. and we have all still to identify this big mysterious clue.
2. Moffat doesn't read all this stuff on DS, Twitter etc. and though we have all already identified this big mysterious clue he doesn't know that we have it figured.
3. Moffat does read all this stuff on DS, Twitter etc. and though we have all already identified this big mysterious clue he's not letting on.
4. Moffat thinks he is above all of this and says these things to appear clever.
5. It's sloppy, lazy journalism repeating the same old stuff for days on end.”
“In the same MoS article it states "in an interview yesterday Moffat says that everyone has missed..." Seemingly he has said the same thing in multiple interviews daily since last Tuesday so:
1. Moffat reads all this stuff on DS, Twitter etc. and we have all still to identify this big mysterious clue.
2. Moffat doesn't read all this stuff on DS, Twitter etc. and though we have all already identified this big mysterious clue he doesn't know that we have it figured.
3. Moffat does read all this stuff on DS, Twitter etc. and though we have all already identified this big mysterious clue he's not letting on.
4. Moffat thinks he is above all of this and says these things to appear clever.
5. It's sloppy, lazy journalism repeating the same old stuff for days on end.”
Or Moffatt is just having a bit of fun at viewers' expense and teasing everyone. Clearly the next episode must have been written as they've filmed part of it. In fact I suspect most of Series 3 has been written.By the way the final rating for January 8 (2/3) of Sherlock came in at 10.27 million
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