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Old 22-01-2012, 12:10
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Rewatched yesterday and had the following thoughts:
I'm not sure how the body could be disguised so quickly but I think the body on the pavement may have been moriarty's. The title of the episode could work out as Richard Brook falls?
Not sure how Sherlock would have survived though, it must have been him who fell, dead bodies don't wave their arms!
Most likely rubbish but the "falls" part of the title has been bothering me, unless it's a red herring I can't believe that it just refers to the painting.

Another thing I noticed, although it's most likely an error, is when Sherlock steps onto the ledge, there's what looks like blood running down the side. This is gone when we see the wide view a couple of scenes later.

I also want to know what John wanted to tell Sherlock at the sweet factory before the police woman distracted him. Most likely nothing I know.

Apologies if I'm just repeated stuff that's been said (very possible) but I haven't been able to keep up with the rapidly moving thread.
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Old 22-01-2012, 12:13
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Also on the living room wall of the lady journalist were the words make believe.
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Old 22-01-2012, 12:27
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Also on the living room wall of the lady journalist were the words make believe.
I know, brilliant!
Only caught that yesterday! Turns out I can see more when I watch on my phone than on the tv which is 2m away! Stupid myopia
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Old 22-01-2012, 12:31
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Is that the plant that Shelock mentions in connection with the Hansel and Gretel / Addlestone abduction?
That is the plant that Shelock mentions in connection with the Hansel and Gretel / Addlestone abduction. It's honey derived from that plant (The common Rhododendron, the one that's along a lot of railways lines) that causes health problems.
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Old 22-01-2012, 12:35
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I've not read all the threads so sorry if I'm repeating others. My opinion is that Sherlock did fall. If you look again there is a huge cage at the bottom with hospital bedding in and a van in front of that. He was so insistant that John stay where he was and then the cyclist hit him (another distraction). I think Sherlock then rolled onto the floor (fake blood) and then was taken inside. Remember he said to Molly "I need you", that is where the John Doe will come in for a funeral.
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Old 22-01-2012, 12:40
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My two pen'orth, FWIW, is that there's no way Moriarty can be dead, as it would be so out of character as to be incredibly lazy writing. M doesn't care one jot either way about S's friends, so he doesn't want them dead out of any sort of revenge. On the contrary, he cares so little for them, that he only wanted them dead in order to make S suffer, so killing himself so that S couldn't force him to call off the killings - as was the supposed reason he did it - is pointless, as what's the point of M wanting them killed if he's not going to be alive to see how much it tortured S?
i do hope he is, though. new series, new villain. and he did say that
a) he doesn't want to go back to boredom once sherlock is dead
b) as long as he is alive, sherlock would find a way to call off the killers and thus avoid his own death
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Old 22-01-2012, 12:42
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Also what about when the policewoman was looking on the table at all the evidence and there was a book that maybe the girl had been reading, Poppy something.
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Old 22-01-2012, 12:57
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Yeah, the lab girl with the ponytail definitely arranged for some survive-the-deadly-fall-on-tv-show rubbish-laden barge to come sailing by underneath ... or the cheap BBC equivalent anyway.

I've now seen one and a half episodes of this latest series ... and I still think it is absolute rubbish.
I know, I know, gerroff.
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Old 22-01-2012, 13:06
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Nina Simone 'Sinnerman' from her album 'Pastel Blues' (I have it on LP ). Amazing singer; beautiful record.
Thanks, that was driving me nuts!
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Old 22-01-2012, 13:09
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I've now seen one and a half episodes of this latest series ... and I still think it is absolute rubbish.
I know, I know, gerroff.
Fair enough, each to their own! I think "absolute rubbish" is a bit strong though, imo, it's a very high quality programme (even if the story isn't your cup of tea).

Besides, I think Big Brother has exclusive rights to that description.
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Old 22-01-2012, 13:13
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Nina Simone 'Sinnerman' from her album 'Pastel Blues' (I have it on LP ). Amazing singer; beautiful record.
I think this music was absolutely perfect for the scene

Another thing, after Sherlock said he didn't like riddles, Moriarty said that he must learn to, because IOU. Does this mean that IOU is a riddle?
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Old 22-01-2012, 13:17
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Slowly moving into Fan Type A territory...

I reckon whoever came up with this theory is correct; it isn't Sherlock standing on the roof that Watson can see, it's the body ready to be pushed over, propped up in someway. It could be just how they filmed it, but the angles seem wrong and the buildings not in the right positions. It's also a little unanimated, although that could be the stuntman, because I assume they wouldn't let their actors go on to an edge like that.

Sherlock is talking to John further down the roof, St Paul's seems a little closer. He says to John he can't come down, so they'll have to do it the way they do. Which means he'll have to jump to get down in time to make the switch with the spare body.
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Old 22-01-2012, 13:43
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I O U

Moriaty wanted Sherlock to think that the 'code' was a binary sequence which is 1s and 0s. 1s and Is and 0s and Os are pretty interchangable. U is just an abbrievated version of 'you'. So basically, all it means is that Moriaty was given Sherlock a clue that he had already told him the code. Or, alternatively 'I O U big style for wrecking all my dastardly plans!!"

When Moriaty was in the Baker St flat, did he refer to Sherlock as an angel then, or was it just on the rooftop? I'm thinking of the grafitti IOU with the angel wings.
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Old 22-01-2012, 13:43
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There is a close-up of the shoes on the edge of the building and they don't look like the kind of shoes Sherlock usually wears, much too insubstantial and Italian looking
.... Could they be someone else's feet? Or am I letting my shoe obsession go too far?!
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Old 22-01-2012, 13:49
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Apparently CBS are making their own modern-day version of Sherlock called Elementary (the BBC version airs on PBS in the States) according to DS News.
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Old 22-01-2012, 14:02
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I O U

Moriaty wanted Sherlock to think that the 'code' was a binary sequence which is 1s and 0s. 1s and Is and 0s and Os are pretty interchangable. U is just an abbrievated version of 'you'. So basically, all it means is that Moriaty was given Sherlock a clue that he had already told him the code. Or, alternatively 'I O U big style for wrecking all my dastardly plans!!"

When Moriaty was in the Baker St flat, did he refer to Sherlock as an angel then, or was it just on the rooftop? I'm thinking of the grafitti IOU with the angel wings.
That makes sense

In the flat, Moriarty said he was on the side of the angels, but he didn't say he was an angel.
The angel wings is a bit odd, I took it at face value, Moriarty had promised him a fall and said that falling was like flying (hence the wings)
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Old 22-01-2012, 14:03
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This code of a few bits thing that opens everything and that Sherlock believed in was the only silly thing I did not like. How somebody that intelligent could believe that for a moment
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Old 22-01-2012, 14:03
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Apparently CBS are making their own modern-day version of Sherlock called Elementary (the BBC version airs on PBS in the States) according to DS News.
Wonder if it will be as "good" as American Life on Mars?
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Old 22-01-2012, 14:05
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Wonder if it will be as "good" as American Life on Mars?
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Old 22-01-2012, 14:05
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This code of a few bits thing that opens everything and that Sherlock believed in was the only silly thing I did not like. How somebody that intelligent could believe that for a moment
I know what you mean. I suppose on the rooftop, Moriarty said that Sherlock was too clever and didn't think that the boring, obvious answer could be right.

Yet another thing I've just remembered, why would Sherlock pick the hospital roof? Did he not think that Moriarty was speaking literally about a fall? He sort of brought that on himself!
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Old 22-01-2012, 14:08
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It's quite sad that the only programmes American broadcasters are interesting in remaking are the ones that are already really successful (and therefore almost perfect anyway). They always ruin them
I'm sure we would make a mess of remaking an American programme, but the only example I can think of is Law and Order and that's actually quite good!
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Old 22-01-2012, 14:11
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Originally M implied that the assasins were there to get to the code he'd passed on to S. Just thought that as it was M who hired them there may not have been any bids at all.
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Old 22-01-2012, 14:17
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After John and Sherlock had visited the journalist and met 'Rich Brook', as they were leaving Sherlock was angrily talking about how the one big lie would be believed, cos all the rest was true. He said something along the lines that Moriaty would only be satisfied...and then he stopped talking as the realisation hit him that Moriaty wanted him dead. He then left John and went to see Molly are Bart's.
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Old 22-01-2012, 14:20
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This code of a few bits thing that opens everything and that Sherlock believed in was the only silly thing I did not like. How somebody that intelligent could believe that for a moment
Exept that he recognised the rythm once it was pointed out to him. Also there's nothing to stop that being a pass phrase of some kind to unlock something else.
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Old 22-01-2012, 14:20
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Yet another thing I've just remembered, why would Sherlock pick the hospital roof? Did he not think that Moriarty was speaking literally about a fall? He sort of brought that on himself!
The fact that he was alive at the end means he anticipated and was prepared for it. He even was prepared for having to distract Watson so that he believed Sherlock was really dead.

But another thing, analyzing that dirt from the footprints... That would mean that that person was already at the place where they kept the children, having a good walk around to pick everything on the shoes and not picking anything distracting on the way to the boarding school. Or was it just constructed for Sherlock to find out and he already was treating it as a puzzle that Moriarty set up for him and that had a solution?
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