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Old 01-01-2014, 22:50
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Why the hell did you watch it then?
Maybe some people just get a kick out of complaining about stuff
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:51
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This show is a total embarrassment. I just hope to the Almighty we don't sell it abroad, please someone tell me we don't.

The first couple of episodes from the original series were enough for me, never wasted electricity on it since.. I still wonder if it isn't some badly written and even more badly acted comedy sketch.
If your so energy conscious, why waste electricity by going online to complain about a programme you don't want to watch?
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:51
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I have to admit, that was brilliant. The best bit of telly I've watched for...well, probably months!

Its funny because I think the recent work Moffatt and Gattis have done for Doctor Who has been awful (especially Matt's final episode, terribly hard to follow for Christmas Day and I haven't felt compelled enough to rewatch it and give it a second chance). I've missed an episode of Sherlock in the past but what I've seen of it has been great. The lead performances really help though, of course. I can't imagine anyone else in the role of Sherlock than Benedict making it work so well.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:51
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Very confusing story arcs. Try as I might, I find it hard to get into Moffatt shows.
HBO and Showtime are much better and stylish
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:51
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Its called disagreeing with. Its called an opinion. I have plenty of confidence in what I like thanks and quite frankly the opinions of others are meaningless when it comes to my enjoyment. I am interested in all types of opinion when they are well made and argued.

You seem to have basically criticised yourself in your own post. You seem to have a problem with my opinion which is what you are calling me out on. Funny that.
I'm a funny guy.

So what did you think of the episode..perhaps that's more pertinent than your opinion of other people's opinions.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:52
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I don't know why people are concerned about getting 'the truth'. It's not a documentary!
Sorry. I didn't mean truth in that way.

Getting carried away. Again.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:52
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This show is a total embarrassment. I just hope to the Almighty we don't sell it abroad, please someone tell me we don't.

The first couple of episodes from the original series were enough for me, never wasted electricity on it since.. I still wonder if it isn't some badly written and even more badly acted comedy sketch.
I'm sorry but I genuinely don't know what you are talking about, you think it's rubbish? Fine, but an embarrassment? I just don't get that at all, it does very well abroad. did you watch tonights episode? Since you say that you haven't wasted electricity on it since series 1, I wonder how you can comment if you didn't watch it.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:52
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This show is a total embarrassment. I just hope to the Almighty we don't sell it abroad, please someone tell me we don't.

The first couple of episodes from the original series were enough for me, never wasted electricity on it since.. I still wonder if it isn't some badly written and even more badly acted comedy sketch.
So you didn't even watch the episode and yet come on a thread dedicated to a show you haven't watched in four years to critique it? And people wonder why this sort of thing winds me and others up! Its ludicrous.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:53
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I think the point that Moffat was trying to make (in that scene when Sherlock Holmes was getting interviewed), was that it really doesn't matter which flashback is the 'correct' one, they are all plausible and that no one explanation will please everyone (the viewers).
Exactly that - although it's Gatiss penning those words, not Moffat.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:53
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I have to admit, that was brilliant. The best bit of telly I've watched for...well, probably months!

Its funny because I think the recent work Moffatt and Gattis have done for Doctor Who has been awful (especially Matt's final episode, terribly hard to follow for Christmas Day and I haven't felt compelled enough to rewatch it and give it a second chance). I've missed an episode of Sherlock in the past but what I've seen of it has been great. The lead performances really help though, of course. I can't imagine anyone else in the role of Sherlock than Benedict making it work so well.
Can I just say that if you didn't see Gatiss An Adventure in Time and Space you've missed out on the best Doctor Who related drama for a very long time.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:53
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But it hasn't always been style over substance. Tonight it was.
Totally agree, Veri. The episode was wafer thin in terms of its narrative. Surely the most meagre story in any 'Sherlock' episode.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:54
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I'm enjoying it less and less, but I'd hardly call it an embarrassment.

There's a hell of a lot worse getting a hell of a lot more praise.

My problem is Moffat really does seem to be having a fine old time in his own brain. It looks fun. I just wish he'd let some of us in on the other half of it.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:54
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If I wait will she get a new voice and personality?
Sorry, not seeing the problem with the actress. I thought she was fine personally.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:54
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The little girl at the bonfire was also in the not going out christmas special (trixiebelle is a very rare name) and has also been cast for a small role in games of thrones.
Right Sherlock. Now that we've got you here. Just how did you do it?

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Old 01-01-2014, 22:55
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Totally agree, Veri. The episode was wafer thin in terms of its narrative. Surely the most meagre story in any 'Sherlock' episode.
I thought that, but it didn't bother me. I thought it worked, especially refusing to give an explanation.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:55
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They (Mycroft and friends) used the gas from "The Hounds of Baskerville," modified to create a hallucinogenic experience of a falling Sherlock (rather than a hound).

They pumped it into the area. Everyone in the vicinity saw Sherlock fall, die, get picked up by ambulance crew blah blah.

Well it's a damn sight better than using a bouncy castle and Derren Brown.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:56
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Has anyone else seen Death Line? My partner has seen it, and noticed that Gatiss commented on it a few years ago, and that some aspects of the plot are similar. Gatiss' homage to a fave film perhaps?
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:57
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Its like a magic trick. The beauty is in the mystery and all the speculation. When you pull back the curtain and find a doddery old man it spoils it. I don't want it forensically explained for sure. I would be quite happy if they never say for sure what happened. Its drama and fantasy. Not a documentary.
No one thinks it's a documentary or wants it to be one.

And if it's never properly explained, that's fine with me. Leave it a mystery. But I suspect it wasn't explained because they couldn't. There isn't any good, believable-but-not-too-obvious explanation. And without such an explanation -- which many people were hoping for -- it needed to have something else sufficiently good to make up for that lack, and it didn't.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:57
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Must be just me then
I thought it was a complete and utter load of rubbish
It made no sense from beginning to end
Sherlock is supposed to solve crimes with his logical brain
And I won't be watching again
Try the first series. The opening episode is fantastic. It introduces all the main characters and tells a great story. Tonight's offering is scarcely recognisible as the same show.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:57
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The surprise for me was all the nods to the fanfiction slashers (which doesn't interest me), but I think it was good that Messrs Moffat and Gatiss included them - even if it's to get them out of the way for the episodes to come. I hope, anyway.
But it hasn't always been style over substance. Tonight it was.
Hmmm, maybe all that nodding to fanfic slashers (which also does not interest me nor have I read any of them) took away from the substance. To be fair to the writers, they probably had no choice BUT to address all those "theories" and get all that out of the way in this episode. If they didn't get it all out of system, the whole series will be weighed down with it. I suspect the "substance" will start from episode 2.

Still, I'm glad Sherlock's back
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:58
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Sorry, not seeing the problem with the actress. I thought she was fine personally.
I'm confused about that as well.

I think it's this whole relationship thing that causes this.

In the books John's home life was entirely separate from his adventures with Sherlock and that imho worked better.

You can argue that this relationship aspect of modern day Sherlock is adding more depth but I think it detracts from the detective story aspect which is what I love about Sherlock Holmes.

I do think Elementary has a much better balance in this respect.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:58
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We've seen 3 (Derren Brown, Moriaty/Sherlock snog and the final one with the him falling ontp the inflatable thingy), he sort of ran through another two during his first meeting with John, so definitely 3, and possibly 5
Derren Brown and Moriarty/Sherlock snogging weren't two of the possible scenarios though, they were simply other people's theories. You really think Sherlock thought one possible scenario was for Moriarty to help him fake it and then get off with him?

Really enjoyed that, amazing stuff. First episode I've seen and plan to go and buy the DVD's of the last two series now.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:58
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I thought that, but it didn't bother me. I thought it worked, especially refusing to give an explanation.
Yep. The story in this episode was never meant to be about the 'case' itself - it was all about exploring and repairing the dynamic between John and Sherlock. Conan Doyle dealt with it very poorly - I much preferred this.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:59
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Third explanation was it. There won't be any more.
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Old 01-01-2014, 22:59
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I'm a funny guy.

So what did you think of the episode..perhaps that's more pertinent than your opinion of other people's opinions.
I think it was very good. Not the best episode theyve done but top five-probably 3rd for me. They rightly put the relationship of the main characters front and centre which in a ninety minute part one of three was always going to be a difficult balancing act. And it did mean the terror threat was slightly under developed but considering the limitations Gatiss still pulled it off. Because that was just garnish. The main course was Sherlock returning and the impact on those around him. And in that respect it was fantastic. Remarkable performances from every single cast member. Beautifully directed- in particular the sequences on the tube and in Sherlocks mind. Smart, funny, exciting, looked great, emotional. What more do you want from a drama series?

I think it played a bit too much on the fan service aide of things at times- i wouldve swapped a couple of those scenes for others developing the terror plot. But that's minor criticism.

It was exactly the smart and clever sort of TV that Moffat and Gatiss have made their names with. And it beats most other shows hands down. Except DW of course.
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