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Why the hell did you watch it then?
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This show is a total embarrassment. I just hope to the Almighty we don't sell it abroad, please someone tell me we don't.
The first couple of episodes from the original series were enough for me, never wasted electricity on it since.. I still wonder if it isn't some badly written and even more badly acted comedy sketch.
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I have to admit, that was brilliant. The best bit of telly I've watched for...well, probably months!
Its funny because I think the recent work Moffatt and Gattis have done for Doctor Who has been awful (especially Matt's final episode, terribly hard to follow for Christmas Day and I haven't felt compelled enough to rewatch it and give it a second chance). I've missed an episode of Sherlock in the past but what I've seen of it has been great. The lead performances really help though, of course. I can't imagine anyone else in the role of Sherlock than Benedict making it work so well. |
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Very confusing story arcs. Try as I might, I find it hard to get into Moffatt shows.
HBO and Showtime are much better and stylish
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Its called disagreeing with. Its called an opinion. I have plenty of confidence in what I like thanks and quite frankly the opinions of others are meaningless when it comes to my enjoyment. I am interested in all types of opinion when they are well made and argued.
You seem to have basically criticised yourself in your own post. You seem to have a problem with my opinion which is what you are calling me out on. Funny that. So what did you think of the episode..perhaps that's more pertinent than your opinion of other people's opinions. |
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I don't know why people are concerned about getting 'the truth'. It's not a documentary!
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This show is a total embarrassment. I just hope to the Almighty we don't sell it abroad, please someone tell me we don't.
The first couple of episodes from the original series were enough for me, never wasted electricity on it since.. I still wonder if it isn't some badly written and even more badly acted comedy sketch. |
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This show is a total embarrassment. I just hope to the Almighty we don't sell it abroad, please someone tell me we don't.
The first couple of episodes from the original series were enough for me, never wasted electricity on it since.. I still wonder if it isn't some badly written and even more badly acted comedy sketch. |
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I think the point that Moffat was trying to make (in that scene when Sherlock Holmes was getting interviewed), was that it really doesn't matter which flashback is the 'correct' one, they are all plausible and that no one explanation will please everyone (the viewers).
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I have to admit, that was brilliant. The best bit of telly I've watched for...well, probably months!
Its funny because I think the recent work Moffatt and Gattis have done for Doctor Who has been awful (especially Matt's final episode, terribly hard to follow for Christmas Day and I haven't felt compelled enough to rewatch it and give it a second chance). I've missed an episode of Sherlock in the past but what I've seen of it has been great. The lead performances really help though, of course. I can't imagine anyone else in the role of Sherlock than Benedict making it work so well. |
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But it hasn't always been style over substance. Tonight it was.
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I'm enjoying it less and less, but I'd hardly call it an embarrassment.
There's a hell of a lot worse getting a hell of a lot more praise. My problem is Moffat really does seem to be having a fine old time in his own brain. It looks fun. I just wish he'd let some of us in on the other half of it.
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If I wait will she get a new voice and personality?
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The little girl at the bonfire was also in the not going out christmas special (trixiebelle is a very rare name) and has also been cast for a small role in games of thrones.
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Totally agree, Veri. The episode was wafer thin in terms of its narrative. Surely the most meagre story in any 'Sherlock' episode.
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They (Mycroft and friends) used the gas from "The Hounds of Baskerville," modified to create a hallucinogenic experience of a falling Sherlock (rather than a hound).
They pumped it into the area. Everyone in the vicinity saw Sherlock fall, die, get picked up by ambulance crew blah blah. Well it's a damn sight better than using a bouncy castle and Derren Brown. |
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Has anyone else seen Death Line? My partner has seen it, and noticed that Gatiss commented on it a few years ago, and that some aspects of the plot are similar. Gatiss' homage to a fave film perhaps?
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Its like a magic trick. The beauty is in the mystery and all the speculation. When you pull back the curtain and find a doddery old man it spoils it. I don't want it forensically explained for sure. I would be quite happy if they never say for sure what happened. Its drama and fantasy. Not a documentary.
And if it's never properly explained, that's fine with me. Leave it a mystery. But I suspect it wasn't explained because they couldn't. There isn't any good, believable-but-not-too-obvious explanation. And without such an explanation -- which many people were hoping for -- it needed to have something else sufficiently good to make up for that lack, and it didn't. |
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Must be just me then
I thought it was a complete and utter load of rubbish It made no sense from beginning to end Sherlock is supposed to solve crimes with his logical brain And I won't be watching again |
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The surprise for me was all the nods to the fanfiction slashers (which doesn't interest me), but I think it was good that Messrs Moffat and Gatiss included them - even if it's to get them out of the way for the episodes to come. I hope, anyway.
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Still, I'm glad Sherlock's back |
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Sorry, not seeing the problem with the actress. I thought she was fine personally.
I think it's this whole relationship thing that causes this. In the books John's home life was entirely separate from his adventures with Sherlock and that imho worked better. You can argue that this relationship aspect of modern day Sherlock is adding more depth but I think it detracts from the detective story aspect which is what I love about Sherlock Holmes. I do think Elementary has a much better balance in this respect. |
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We've seen 3 (Derren Brown, Moriaty/Sherlock snog and the final one with the him falling ontp the inflatable thingy), he sort of ran through another two during his first meeting with John, so definitely 3, and possibly 5
Really enjoyed that, amazing stuff. First episode I've seen and plan to go and buy the DVD's of the last two series now. |
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I thought that, but it didn't bother me. I thought it worked, especially refusing to give an explanation.
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Third explanation was it. There won't be any more.
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I'm a funny guy.
So what did you think of the episode..perhaps that's more pertinent than your opinion of other people's opinions. I think it played a bit too much on the fan service aide of things at times- i wouldve swapped a couple of those scenes for others developing the terror plot. But that's minor criticism. It was exactly the smart and clever sort of TV that Moffat and Gatiss have made their names with. And it beats most other shows hands down. Except DW of course. |
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