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Sherlock - New BBC Drama (Part 2)
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ScatterChasse
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Rorschach:
“The Telegraph reviewer wasn't paying enough attention, he seems to think the person trying to blow up parliament was the same person who put John in the bonfire.”

More than the Mail reviewer, he was talking about Dominic Cumberbatch and Tim Freeman
ScatterChasse
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“IIRC some people have figured out with the timelines that Watson must have been married 5 times! He was obviously a bit slack with losing them. Unsurprisingly most versions simply stick to Mary being his wife these days.”

I think it's partly because the stories weren't written (and generally aren't collated) in chronological order. If a story could do with a wife in it, then bingo! she was alive, whether or not year-wise it actually fitted.
Randysback
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by catsitter:
“Am I the only person who has never seen Derren Brown before? I still have no idea who he was, when he appeared, or what he had to do with it, though I do know that he is a tv magician.”

How the hell do you manage to watch TV on the Moon
TRIPS
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Jimbob91:
“I can't imagine how clever or complicated the explanation of Sherlock's 'death' would have to be in order to ensure that people don't feel let down by it. It would probably get slated by 50% of this forum at least, no matter what it was.

With two years of build-up and speculation, it would probably be for the best if it was never properly explained. After all, "everyone's a critic".”

Think you have got it spot on. no matter what explanation is given people like Philip will criticise. imo the dig at Phillip was aimed at the armchair critics.

Loved the first episode, gobsmacked at the awful explanation at the beginning till we see it's all someone theory. brilliant.
Too many questions still not answered from the last series and am sure far more will be revealed.
Mk VII
02-01-2014
Poor old Watson's only function seems to be to blunder around London getting kidnapped all the time (how many times is it now?)
Presumably the bombing/guy fawkes party is being masterminded by this Charles Augustus Milverton character that we've heard about in the papers.
Granny McSmith
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by CaseyKlein:
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has sherlocks character changed in this episode from previous episodes? he was very funny and happy. whereas in others hes very dour and not up for a laugh?”



I'm glad you said that - I thought I was the only one who thinks Sherlock has had a personality transplant in this episode. He seems quite different from before.

I was a bit disappointed, overall. I daresay we will get a proper explanation of how Sherlock survived eventually, though. But there was too much padding in this episode. Far too much.

And please don't anyone post to say in a superior way that I shouldn't need a detailed explanation. I want and expect one.

There has been one episode in each series which I have felt to be not as good as the others. I hope this was it for this series.
nethwen
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Rorschach:
“She really doesn't play a huge part in the original stories, and when she dies (just how she dies Sir Arthur never actually bothers to relate) Watson just moves back in to 221b and never mentions her again.

Oddly in the novels she dies some time after Holmes fakes his death, because upon Holmes return he mentions her death to Watson. So on TV she's turning up just as she originally died.”

Spoiler
Personally, I think Mary will die in episode three, and this will be John's 'Last Vow' - even though that would be very quick as they're only to be married in episode 2.
nethwen
02-01-2014
Some of the talk around the net is that we will never know the solution to Sherlock's death.

What do you all think?
Kapellmeister
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“I'm glad you said that - I thought I was the only one who thinks Sherlock has had a personality transplant in this episode. He seems quite different from before.

I was a bit disappointed, overall. I daresay we will get a proper explanation of how Sherlock survived eventually, though. But there was too much padding in this episode. Far too much.

And please don't anyone post to say in a superior way that I shouldn't need a detailed explanation. I want and expect one.

There has been one episode in each series which I have felt to be not as good as the others. I hope this was it for this series.”

Usually the one written by Gatiss.
Vol
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“Some of the talk around the net is that we will never know the solution to Sherlock's death.

What do you all think?”

Personally I thought it was made quite clear that they are leaving it ambiguous. As was indicated in the episode the reveal of a magic trick is always disappointing. They've supplied us with a few clues as to what might have happened and I think that is all we are getting.
Staunchy
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“Some of the talk around the net is that we will never know the solution to Sherlock's death.

What do you all think?”

I thnk that'd be the best way for the makers to handle it, by no-one knowing, people can't pick holes. The last example shown tonight fitted in with roughly how I thought it might have been done, but I won't be disappointed if I never know.

I've seen a few people comment on thirteen possible scenarios as if they are going to be thirteen solutions to his death shown to us. This confuses me as I read that dialogue as thirteen possible solutions to Sherlocks final meeting with Moriaty and nothing to do with how he faked his death. I was just that one of those scenarios was that he HAD to fake his death with Moriaty having committed suicide.
16caerhos
02-01-2014
Don't think the explanation was genuine at all. Why would he tell Anderson of all people? On camera, too. Nah, it doesn't add up and I reckon he was just messing with him.
Sad_BB_Addict
02-01-2014
Sunday's is written by Steve Thompson, Mark Gatiss and Steven Moffat. Plenty of creative input!
CD93
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“Some of the talk around the net is that we will never know the solution to Sherlock's death.

What do you all think?”

What I'm mostly expecting at this point. It didn't feel very "to be explained next week / in two weeks."

More "this is a concievable solution, decide if it's true." We play Anderson.
nethwen
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Vol:
“Personally I thought it was made quite clear that they are leaving it ambiguous. As was indicated in the episode the reveal of a magic trick is always disappointing. They've supplied us with a few clues as to what might have happened and I think that is all we are getting.”

Originally Posted by Staunchy:
“I thnk that'd be the best way for the makers to handle it, by no-one knowing, people can't pick holes. The last example shown tonight fitted in with roughly how I thought it might have been done, but I won't be disappointed if I never know.

I've seen a few people comment on thirteen possible scenarios as if they are going to be thirteen solutions to his death shown to us. This confuses me as I read that dialogue as thirteen possible solutions to Sherlocks final meeting with Moriaty and nothing to do with how he faked his death. I was just that one of those scenarios was that he HAD to fake his death with Moriaty having committed suicide.”

BIB: Oh right. I'm going to have to sit down and watch this episode again, without any interruptions, to take it all in.

I'm also going to have to think a bit more on how I would feel if the solution is left ambiguous. At the moment, I'm thinking that that would be a cop out - a bit like how I felt on how the 'cliffhanger' at the swimming pool from the end of Series 1 was resolved at the beginning of Series 2, with Moriarty saying "You're not going to die after all, as I need to take this phone call instead" [paraphrase]. Only I think I might feel a lot worse than I did then. I may even have to take back their nods to the online fandom and their theories because, basically, that's all it's been about in tonight's episode.

I'm also wondering what those watching (who don't use the internet) thought of this episode? They must be wondering what on earth it was all about tonight, come to think of it.
nethwen
02-01-2014
'Sign of Three' trailer is up
Staunchy
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by 16caerhos:
“Don't think the explanation was genuine at all. Why would he tell Anderson of all people? On camera, too. Nah, it doesn't add up and I reckon he was just messing with him.”

Double bluff?
mickmars
02-01-2014
It all felt a bit too "look at us having fun making a hit tv show" to me. then again,I couldn't take the Watson marriage proposal seriously either - Knowing about the "tax" situation of the pair in real life
Alrightmate
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“We said on here about an airbag thingie didn't we? ”

I think it was disingenuous to make out that Sherlock fans had been going along with crackpot theories when the actual explanation given was most popular theory on here.

I did enjoy the episode, and there were moments of brilliance, especially the opening trick on the viewers which had me fooled.
However I think that there was too much breaking the fourth wall stuff with mocking fans which was time which could have been better served on a strong story.
I know that some have expressed concern hoping that it doesn't disappear up its own arse in the way that they believe Doctor Who has, and I think I understand them if they were thinking of the amount of time spent on this episode playing around breaking the fourth wall and making self knowing references to fandom.

I don't think it was the best episode of Sherlock, but there one or touches of brilliance and I found it very entertaining. I definitely laughed out loud once or twice. Hopefully after that 'rompy' opening episode it should just get on with it now with focus on strong stories.
It's a shame that there's only two episodes left. That's why I'm not sure they had the luxury of time to have a bit of a faff about episode when it's a 3 episode long series. It would be less problematic if they had 6 or more episodes to play with.
Alrightmate
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by lindop1993:
“Well we did get an explanation but not the real one
Oh well not the first time moffat has mislead us (the doctors name for example) but I don't mind”

Are you sure?
I got the feeling that Sherlock finally gave the real explanation, but Anderson(?) wasn't content, and being a fan wanted to stir up speculation again when the real explanation didn't satisfy him.
Alrightmate
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Pink Knight:
“The first decent program I have watched over the last 2 weeks. I agree with some that it was far fetched and style over substance.
At least it had some style.”

True. I think there are cases when if the style is good enough it can make up for any shortcomings.
Alrightmate
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“What splendid television. A joy to watch. And it seems redundant to say by now but how wonderful Cumberbatch and Freeman are. Bravo!”

Yes, they are both excellent in this. But so is Una Stubbs too.
Alrightmate
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Kapellmeister:
“I prefer a decent story not mawkish sh**e as they're waiting to be blown up (and then the lamest of lame resolutions: the off-switch on the bomb).”

Yes, that was really weak. Which is such a shame when at the opening end of the programme it was a stroke of genius to mislead all the viewers into thinking we were being given a crap explanation, and then revealing that we were having a clever joke played on us. Which makes the off-switch on the bomb seem even more rubbish.
Alrightmate
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict:
“Reviews

Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...h-9033034.html
Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/science/b...ypal-scientist”

Quote:
“In the end, it all came down to a squash ball concealed under his armpit – had anyone predicted that?”

Err...yes.
I believe that's what the majority on here were going along with.
The explanation given in the episode was what many on here including myself collectively put together as a possible solution.
Alrightmate
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“Looks like 'style over substance' is the new battle cry to go next to 'complicated story arcs'. Which as you say is bizarre. Sherlock has always been a highly stylised show. That criticism was made by some the minute the text on screen thing first appeared. Others loved it.

Its always been super slick. Were some expecting a gritty kitchen sink drama?”

When people complain of 'style over substance' they're not complaining about style in itself.
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