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Sherlock - New BBC Drama (Part 2)
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roger_50
05-01-2014
In my opinion, the writers have allowed themselves to get caught up in the overtly-quirky, zaniness and have indulged themselves too much.

God I miss how tight the show was when it started out...it seems to have lost its focus now. Still some entertaining stuff here and there, but I'm a little bit sad at the way the show's developed if I'm being honest.
MissWalford
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by Jerrica09:
“To me it seemed that he left because he was troubled by something, maybe something he saw in Mary's reaction?”

He's finally realised he will be pushed out now john is married and the baby is on the way. He was adamant at the beginning that nothing would change like people were telling him it would. It was just a new chapter, now he's finally realised.
DanielF
05-01-2014
Well... what to say about that? Disappointing, yet somehow can't help to think that a point to it's been missed. On the face of it, the worst episode of the 8 aired to date, yet I can't shake off the feeling that it forms part of a larger whole. Those complaining about the lack of a story last time out have certainly been shown what such a story looks like!

I can't believe it really was such a mish-mash of basically deleted scenes, it must come to something.

Bit worried about Mary becoming such a part of the team, with the sprog too there's only one way in dramatic logic for that story to end...
Last edited by DanielF : 05-01-2014 at 22:26
eggshell
05-01-2014
Thought this one was again too relationship heavy for me , very little detecting going on.

Sherlock in danger of becoming a caricature of himself.

Thought the crime itself was plausible however big concerns that Holmes had the cases of the Bloody Guardsman and the Ghost Suitor handed to him on a platter..bit like the guy with the train footage last week.

Big coincidence that the two cases he picks are related to John's wedding.

The plot isn't that clever and there is a pattern emerging of covering it with comedy tweeness and arty shots.

Not a patch on the first Sherlock episode for me.
Doktor Dances
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“Oh dear. Getting very personal here about the man and his motivations. All very over the top for a TV show. Don't like his work? Don't watch. You claim you didn't. And yet rush onto a thread about a show you hate by a writer you Cleary despise to tell everyone. Again. Its very dull.”

I tell you what's dull. A detective show with no detecting. Thank goodness ITV3 is showing Poirot, that's for sure
Belligerence
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by Department_S:
“During the prolonged Best Man Speech I kept seeing Matt Smith as Dr Who playing Benedict Cumberbatch playing Sherlock. Marmite episode of all marmite episodes.”



That scene was a bordered on self-indulgent gobbledygook.
Doghouse Riley
05-01-2014
I don't watch this as it doesn't interest me, but switched over whilst it was on BBC1, to get the text news.
The "yellow/green screen filter" really looked odd in one scene, which then switched to another scene with "blue screen."
Davonator
05-01-2014
The last half an hour rescued it for me, still enjoying but it doesnt seem as good as it was. Im surprised at how much more comedic they've made Sherlock.
peach45
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“Fantastic stuff. I really don't understand the whinging.”


TBH the whinging on this thread is probably needed to balance the blind, uncritical fangirl/boyishness of some.
guestofseth
05-01-2014
I see what they were going for with that episode and for 75% of time it actually kind of worked, but when there's only 3 episodes and it's been two years you expect a little better. If it was a tighter 60 minute episode in a series of 6 or 8 it would have been brilliant.

Anyway, I still enjoyed most of it and I'm looking forward to next week's episode, the trailer looks brilliant. I like to think there's a great, a disappointing, and an outstanding episode each series and since we've already had the first two I'm hoping next week's won't disappoint.
Doktor Dances
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by peach45:
“TBH the whinging on this thread is probably needed to balance the blind, uncritical fangirl/boyishness of some.”

Fandoms are the worst thing to happen to television. Tumblr is a disease on opinion forming.
saladfingers81
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by Doktor Dances:
“I tell you what's dull. A detective show with no detecting. Thank goodness ITV3 is showing Poirot, that's for sure”

So watch that then and go and post on a Poirot thread. I'm perplexed as to what you're commenting here for? You're not going to change anyone's mind. You don't like it. Fine. Then ignore it and don't watch it. The internet really has given rise to some odd behaviors. I understand some fans who will have thought that was rubbish. Lets debate. But if you know you hate the writer and his style and the production what's the point? Its just mindless complaining. Go and enjoy something.
olive0000
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by rammie96:
“Whether you liked the episode or not I don't think anyone can deny that the show has changed significantly in this third series - comedy and characters have become more important than plot or detective work.

Not sure why that shift has been made, and I doubt it will affect the ratings at all but it's bound to annoy those who think that the show is now less "clever", and the humour less subtle and a bit too broad.”

yeah id like the crime aspect to be heavier in season 4 like it used to be. season 3 thinks its mainly a comedy lol which i enjoy but you need a story. not that i expected john getting married not to be a big plot but i dunno...hopefully ep 3 picks up
Kid Rachyy ♥
05-01-2014
Probably my favourite episode so far (I said that about the first episode of the week...) but series 3 has not disappointed me.

"He's clueing for looks"
dwiseman
05-01-2014
All very nicely done i thought.. why do people want a classic vanilla narrative structure? There are so many of those about and this is a breath of fresh air IMO..
jack_kerouac
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by Deserana 12:
“There's a difference to watching to critique and just bitching and moaning. Watching to critique means to start a show with an open mind which some clearly did not do here.

Immediately criticising a show 10 minutes in is not critiquing.”

I reitterate.

after last weeks implausable tosh I gave up.

BUT

a good crime writer needs to grab your attention by PAGE 2 ...

as Conan Doyle did.


This Dr Who in a Deerstalker version has you wading through 3 episodes to get there.

If a Crime show has not grabbed you by 10 - 20 minutes it never will.

Any writer knows....you have to grab them to begin with and engage ..
Unfledged
05-01-2014
I can kind of understand the negative reaction, though I hope (pure speculation follows!) a lot of it is rescinded when - in the final episode - it becomes clear how the first two episodes fit into a single story for the series (and - even more speculation - John's new wife is revealed as the big bad of the series).

I'll admit, as standalone episodes they're not up to the quality of the first two seasons. Hopefully I'll be vindicated with the third episode!
16caerhos
05-01-2014
The middle bit really dragged for me. I enjoyed the stag, but I was lost by the time someone started going on about dating ghosts or whatever it was.

Slightly disappointed by that, if I'm honest. That's the first time I've ever been somewhat let down by an episode of Sherlock and the first time I'll have to rewatch an episode just to see what the hell was actually going on instead of rewatching because I enjoyed it the first time round.
MissWalford
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by DanielF:
“Bit worried about Mary becoming such a part of the team, with the sprig too there's only one way in dramatic logic for that story to end...”

Yeah exactly.

Mary is nice enough, and the actress isn't bad, just don't think she should feature too heavily.
GARETH197901
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by Fayecorgasm:
“http://www.lowtechcombat.com/2010/02...e-and-not.html”

and not only that there have been reports of people shooting themselves with misfiring nail guns or real guns feeling the punch of something but not realising that they have been actually shot
snork
05-01-2014
Apologies if it has already been said but I think the bank robbers were at the reception. Fat bald headed guy and wild haired blonde man. May explain how they get one up on the police? Possibly there on Mary's side?
Eater Sundae
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by Jerrica09:
“Vicky in the red jacket - she was Annie in the Smoking Room, she has lost a LOT of weight!”

I had planned to look her up as I thought I'd recognised her but wasn't sure. No need now you've spotted her.
Jerrica09
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by MissWalford:
“He's finally realised he will be pushed out now john is married and the baby is on the way. He was adamant at the beginning that nothing would change like people were telling him it would. It was just a new chapter, now he's finally realised.”

But it probably won't be a new chapter. It's Sherlock after all, not the John & Mary show. I suspect the next ep will be a traumatic one for John, though I hope I'm wrong.
MissWalford
05-01-2014
Maybe she might end up being murdered soon. By that new criminal.
Ed Sizzers
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by Doktor Dances:
“I tuned in to the first episode, having been a fan of the first two series. Having watched a poor Face/Off pastiche complete with celebrity walk-on part for Derren Brown, I chose to watch Blackadder instead. Far more intelligence and far less smug congratulatory clap-trap.”

So what you're actually saying is that you used to like it but you've since been annoyed by any/all of what Stephen Moffat has done with Doctor Who to the point that you're now determined to actively hate everything he's involved with, just on principle alone.
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