I loved the episode on the whole but when you realise it's episode 2 of just 3 I can't help thinking that not enough happened and they are wasting time! We only have 1 left...
Sherlock - New BBC Drama (Part 2)
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Originally Posted by nethwen:
“I agree. I thought it was great. Loved it.
How gorgeous did Benedict look in his morning suit!? And his blue eyes...
Sorry peach.
There's something about Mary. I think she's a criminal... or something. That look Sherlock gave her towards the end of the episode!”
“I agree. I thought it was great. Loved it.
How gorgeous did Benedict look in his morning suit!? And his blue eyes...
Sorry peach.
There's something about Mary. I think she's a criminal... or something. That look Sherlock gave her towards the end of the episode!”
I hope not, Mary was John's wife in the books perfectly happily and changing that, like they did with Jim Phelps in the Mission Impossible films I find disrespectful to the source.
All this Mary hate just feels like wishful thinking from people who love the bromance aspect...not for me I am afraid.
What was the piece of music that Sherlock played for John and Mary's wedding dance?
And what was the wording that he put on the music piece that was shown before he put it in the envelope?
And what was the wording that he put on the music piece that was shown before he put it in the envelope?
Originally Posted by 19Nick68:
“I enjoyed it but I expected more of a follow on from the shadowy criminal mastermind seen at the end of episode one.”
“I enjoyed it but I expected more of a follow on from the shadowy criminal mastermind seen at the end of episode one.”
There *was* a clue linked to him, but it's easily missed. All will become clear next week.
The stag night bit and drunk John and Sherlock was one of the funniest things I've watched in a while. I thought Benedict Cumberbatch played totally smashed brilliantly. I loved that bit.
However, I'm not that impressed by the rest.
I can't tell if the frantic Doctor Who like Sherlock (who seems to be unspooling - he was all over the place more than usual during that speech and when deducing the guests)is just the writers turning him into Doctor Who or whether it's supposed to be Sherlock actually unspooling and heading towards a breakdown or something - he's slower at solving things than he was before The Reichenbach Fall, his character has changed and he's noticeably lonley.
I enjoyed it as entertainment - but it's nothing on the previous series'. And considering we only get three episodes I feel too much is being wasted on fluffy stuff.
However, I'm not that impressed by the rest.
I can't tell if the frantic Doctor Who like Sherlock (who seems to be unspooling - he was all over the place more than usual during that speech and when deducing the guests)is just the writers turning him into Doctor Who or whether it's supposed to be Sherlock actually unspooling and heading towards a breakdown or something - he's slower at solving things than he was before The Reichenbach Fall, his character has changed and he's noticeably lonley.
I enjoyed it as entertainment - but it's nothing on the previous series'. And considering we only get three episodes I feel too much is being wasted on fluffy stuff.
Originally Posted by roger_50:
“Look, can we stop with this childish "don't dare say anything bad about the show I love!" nonsense. This is an open thread for discussion of the show, for both praise and critique - depending on people's experience of watching it.
Let those of us who are disappointed with the show discuss it without constantly being called whingers. Grow up.”
“Look, can we stop with this childish "don't dare say anything bad about the show I love!" nonsense. This is an open thread for discussion of the show, for both praise and critique - depending on people's experience of watching it.
Let those of us who are disappointed with the show discuss it without constantly being called whingers. Grow up.”
I agree. There's nothing at all wrong with criticising a show you've watched if you didn't enjoy it. I did it meself with Atlantis. A lot.
But coming on a thread and moaning about a show you've only seen 5 minutes of the previous week's episode of, and your real issue is with what a particular writer has done with a completely different programme?
That's a bit odd, isn't it?
Originally Posted by Belligerence:
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That scene was a bordered on self-indulgent gobbledygook.”
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That scene was a bordered on self-indulgent gobbledygook.”
And yet contained a subtle clue which will become significant in the finale ...
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“But it did feel tonight like they were going out of their way to create scenes that serve as better GIFs than they do as TV.
I don't want to come down too hard on it - I'm not a robot, and like some displays of emotion from Sherlock (I loved the deduction of Mary's pregnancy and Sherlocks early exit, for instance), but I can't shake the sense it's become too self-reverential and a tiny bit smug. Which rather sapped the tension and drama out of what could have been a good murder mystery.”
“But it did feel tonight like they were going out of their way to create scenes that serve as better GIFs than they do as TV.
I don't want to come down too hard on it - I'm not a robot, and like some displays of emotion from Sherlock (I loved the deduction of Mary's pregnancy and Sherlocks early exit, for instance), but I can't shake the sense it's become too self-reverential and a tiny bit smug. Which rather sapped the tension and drama out of what could have been a good murder mystery.”
I hadn't thought of them as gifs, but I know what you mean. I was surprised when I read that Moffat hadn't written this episode as it has his hallmarks of a 'clever' episode - I can just imagine the brainstorm where he said "Wouldn't it be great if Shelock gave a best man's speech. I bet we can make an episode out of that!”
Originally Posted by Ed Sizzers:
“I agree. There's nothing at all wrong with criticising a show you've watched if you didn't enjoy it. I did it meself with Atlantis. A lot.
But coming on a thread and moaning about a show you've only seen 5 minutes of the previous week's episode of, and your real issue is with what a particular writer has done with a completely different programme?
That's a bit odd, isn't it?”
“I agree. There's nothing at all wrong with criticising a show you've watched if you didn't enjoy it. I did it meself with Atlantis. A lot.
But coming on a thread and moaning about a show you've only seen 5 minutes of the previous week's episode of, and your real issue is with what a particular writer has done with a completely different programme?
That's a bit odd, isn't it?”
Not on DS
Originally Posted by Ed Sizzers:
“I agree. There's nothing at all wrong with criticising a show you've watched if you didn't enjoy it. I did it meself with Atlantis.
But coming on a thread and moaning about a show you've only seen 5 minutes of the previous week's episode of, and your real issue is with what a particular writer has done with a completely different programme?
That's a bit odd, isn't it?”
“I agree. There's nothing at all wrong with criticising a show you've watched if you didn't enjoy it. I did it meself with Atlantis.
But coming on a thread and moaning about a show you've only seen 5 minutes of the previous week's episode of, and your real issue is with what a particular writer has done with a completely different programme?
That's a bit odd, isn't it?”
That's exactly my point. There is a difference between disappointment and dislike of something that you otherwise like. If you hate the writer and his style then just don't watch. Moffat and friends have a distinct style. You know by now what you're getting.
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“There *was* a clue linked to him, but it's easily missed. All will become clear next week.”
“There *was* a clue linked to him, but it's easily missed. All will become clear next week.”
But why have the "wait until next week" thing? It's not a soap.
Moff has strangled Doctor Who half-to-death with his obsession over story arcs and oh-so-clever narrative twisting. It's barely acceptable with tea time sci-fi. It's unforgivable with a detective drama.
Hopefully the growing negativity towards Moff here and elsewhere will be noticed by the BBC, who should get rid of him PDQ.
Originally Posted by dwiseman:
“All very nicely done i thought.. why do people want a classic vanilla narrative structure? There are so many of those about and this is a breath of fresh air IMO..”
“All very nicely done i thought.. why do people want a classic vanilla narrative structure? There are so many of those about and this is a breath of fresh air IMO..”
I never had an issue before. I loved the previous series, but so far this one isn't working out to be anywhere near as good.
It has still had it's good moments, but not enough of them, not for this show. I think the problem has been with the structure of the the two episodes, and all the unnecessary fanwanking they've been doing. I'm actually embarrassed for them, that they felt the need to do that.
I watched this thinking to myself, 'The good folk of DS aren't goint to like this.'
But I loved it. Yes, it was chaotic, self-indulgent and traded on the laughs (and I laughed a lot), but the last half an hour justified the meandering strangeness of the first hour. It all came together, I felt, and was just fabulous entertainment. I can't wait to watch it again, and I never feel that way.
But I loved it. Yes, it was chaotic, self-indulgent and traded on the laughs (and I laughed a lot), but the last half an hour justified the meandering strangeness of the first hour. It all came together, I felt, and was just fabulous entertainment. I can't wait to watch it again, and I never feel that way.
Originally Posted by Kid Rachyy ♥:
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"He's clueing for looks"”
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"He's clueing for looks"
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I really regret choosing the moment right before that line to take a sip of my drink.
Originally Posted by rammie96:
“I'd forgotten all about the bank robber stuff at the start. Where does all that fit.....?”
“I'd forgotten all about the bank robber stuff at the start. Where does all that fit.....?”
It didn't really, other than to show that Lestrade will drop everything if Sherlock needs his help.
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“I can't really provide any pointers without giving the game away. I'll happily point it out after the finale next weekend, but it is a small giveaway clue that really does give a major plot point away.
Sorry, I don't mean to be obtuse, but as a reviewer I'm not supposed to give spoilers away about episodes I've been granted preview privileges to.”
“I can't really provide any pointers without giving the game away. I'll happily point it out after the finale next weekend, but it is a small giveaway clue that really does give a major plot point away.
Sorry, I don't mean to be obtuse, but as a reviewer I'm not supposed to give spoilers away about episodes I've been granted preview privileges to.”
I don't want you to give anything away, just you said if we had read the pre show press releases..so I'm guessing they are out there to be read ( or else why mention them and suggest we might have read them) -)nd maybe you could point me to where they are located (in a spoiler tag if necessary) as I wouldn't know where to find them myself..so only asking you to point my to what's already out there, not anything not yet released.
Originally Posted by rammie96:
“I'd forgotten all about the bank robber stuff at the start. Where does all that fit.....?”
“I'd forgotten all about the bank robber stuff at the start. Where does all that fit.....?”
I think she may be working for this series bad guy. Would explain the lack of family there and her 'lots of friends'(perhaps criminal aquaintences) being at the wedding reception. I think that a lot of stuff is going to be pertinent later on.
Originally Posted by eggshell:
“I hope not, Mary was John's wife in the books perfectly happily and changing that, like they did with Jim Phelps in the Mission Impossible films I find disrespectful to the source.
All this Mary hate just feels like wishful thinking from people who love the bromance aspect...not for me I am afraid.”
“I hope not, Mary was John's wife in the books perfectly happily and changing that, like they did with Jim Phelps in the Mission Impossible films I find disrespectful to the source.
All this Mary hate just feels like wishful thinking from people who love the bromance aspect...not for me I am afraid.”
I'm not one of those people that thinks Mary is in the way. Nor do I 'hate' her. And I'm certainly NOT into slash fan fiction, thanks.
There's just something not right about how she's being portrayed.
Remember when Sherlock did his deduction cloud on her in the last episode? 'Liar' came up as one of them.
There is also no chemistry between John and Mary IMHO.
Last edited by nethwen : 05-01-2014 at 22:28
Ok, i confess I'm a fan of this programme. I love it (possibly an understatement) but Blind Banker, Hound and now Sign of 3 have underwhelmed on first viewing. With hindsight both Blind Banker & Hound have grown in my affections.
I fully expect this to do the same. It was funny (drunk Sherlock! ) I was moved during the speech by his obvious affection for both John & Mary. Though I will say the bridesmaid who asked if he always carried handcuffs, he replied "down girl" was a brilliant out of character moment.
I still think though that he doesn't quite trust Mary ( or maybe it's just me) how did she know that text in TEH was skip code?
I fully expect this to do the same. It was funny (drunk Sherlock! ) I was moved during the speech by his obvious affection for both John & Mary. Though I will say the bridesmaid who asked if he always carried handcuffs, he replied "down girl" was a brilliant out of character moment.
I still think though that he doesn't quite trust Mary ( or maybe it's just me) how did she know that text in TEH was skip code?
Originally Posted by Doktor Dances:
“But why have the "wait until next week" thing? It's not a soap.
Moff has strangled Doctor Who half-to-death with his obsession over story arcs and oh-so-clever narrative twisting. It's barely acceptable with tea time sci-fi. It's unforgivable with a detective drama.
Hopefully the growing negativity towards Moff here and elsewhere will be noticed by the BBC, who should get rid of him PDQ.”
“But why have the "wait until next week" thing? It's not a soap.
Moff has strangled Doctor Who half-to-death with his obsession over story arcs and oh-so-clever narrative twisting. It's barely acceptable with tea time sci-fi. It's unforgivable with a detective drama.
Hopefully the growing negativity towards Moff here and elsewhere will be noticed by the BBC, who should get rid of him PDQ.”
Dream on. Moffat is one of the jewels in the BBC crown. I think he makes alot of silly decisions. I don't like some of the aspects of his particular style. But if you think the BBC will get rid of him? Delusion.
Yeah. I suppose they'll concentrate on Silent Witness and Atlantis and New Tricks instead and the geniuses running those shows.
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“ You know by now what you're getting.”
“ You know by now what you're getting.”
Well I don't. I was expecting the series to be similar to series 1 and 2. (not criticising it I am just saying in my opinion the series has changed).
Oh dear. Sentiment and whimsy. Was this the episode where Sherlock jumped the shark? One last chance, next week, to prove it wasn't.
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“The key is the location of the blow. A wound to the abdomen is most likely to be fatal and is generally relatively slow (particularly if you believe the belt thing - I don't know enough about such things to dispute this), giving the killer time to slip away. A stab to the heart is faster and more effective, but instantly observable.”
“The key is the location of the blow. A wound to the abdomen is most likely to be fatal and is generally relatively slow (particularly if you believe the belt thing - I don't know enough about such things to dispute this), giving the killer time to slip away. A stab to the heart is faster and more effective, but instantly observable.”
That makes sense - perhaps the "Don't take your belt off" was just for dramatic effect - ditto the blood in the shower.
I will admit that the more a writer paints themselves into a corner with a mystery, the more I expect the resolution to be astonishingly clever. My failing, I admit.
Amazing that with the two biggest drama series of the year under his belt some actually think the BBC will get rid of Moffat because of a few people on Digital Spy and Twitter. And people say Moffat has an inflated ego? You couldn't make it up.
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