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Final figure for the third Sherlock just posted by BARB - 9.78 million
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OK this is really bugging me too - how did Sherlock survive?
I've been reading through some of the old Sherlock books and there is one called The Adventure of the Solitary Cyclist. In it Sherlock recalls to Watson how he managed to escape The Reichenbach Fall. He tells Watson "I had no difficulty in getting out of it (The Falls) because I wasn't in it." Watson is shown by Holmes what looks to be silhouette of the detective sitting at his table in Baker Street, behind a blind, it is in a fact a bust made of wax! Watson notes that it is "a perfect reproduction of Holmes." In my own deduction of this information it would imply that it was a dummy or someone made to look like Sherlock that fell from the roof. Was Sherlock the solitary cyclist that knocks Watson over, a delaying tactic to stop him from getting too close to 'the body'. From the cyclists point of view he could check that Watson did as he was told to stay on that exact spot. Plus that phone call could have been made from anywhere, perhaps it was used as a distraction device to give Holmes time to escape from the roof some other way. Watson would then has his eyes fixed on the dummy and not see Sherlock make his escape. Plus in the book Sherlock tells Watson that Mycroft was his only confident. What do you think? |
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dont know if this has been posted yet, but when Moriarty is he is an actor, Kitty has "make believe" written on the wall behind him.have a look on iplayer just after 59mins.
here is the still http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/1935/capture5b.jpg |
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OK this is really bugging me too - how did Sherlock survive?
I've been reading through some of the old Sherlock books and there is one called The Adventure of the Solitary Cyclist. In it Sherlock recalls to Watson how he managed to escape The Reichenbach Fall. He tells Watson "I had no difficulty in getting out of it (The Falls) because I wasn't in it." Watson is shown by Holmes what looks to be silhouette of the detective sitting at his table in Baker Street, behind a blind, it is in a fact a bust made of wax! Watson notes that it is "a perfect reproduction of Holmes." In my own deduction of this information it would imply that it was a dummy or someone made to look like Sherlock that fell from the roof. Was Sherlock the solitary cyclist that knocks Watson over, a delaying tactic to stop him from getting too close to 'the body'. From the cyclists point of view he could check that Watson did as he was told to stay on that exact spot. Plus that phone call could have been made from anywhere, perhaps it was used as a distraction device to give Holmes time to escape from the roof some other way. Watson would then has his eyes fixed on the dummy and not see Sherlock make his escape. Plus in the book Sherlock tells Watson that Mycroft was his only confident. What do you think? have a look at the pic and see what you think. http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/2731/capturexo.jpg this is a better one http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/397/capture2uw.jpg |
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as a big fan of ACD i love the way you linked the solitary cyclist. if its been done that way i would love it.
have a look at the pic and see what you think. http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/2731/capturexo.jpg this is a better one http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/397/capture2uw.jpg Either way I'm sure the cyclist is v important in this story. |
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PLUS in The adventure of the solitary cyclist, Watson collides with an old man in the street and later Sherlock reveals to Watson that it was him in disguise. Is it therefore proof that the man on the bike is Sherlock bumping into Watson in the street once more?!
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I enjoyed this thread at the beginning and now think that we have found several reasonable solutions to what happened. There are not many (if any) new ideas coming forward now that seem reasonable to me, so I think that I too will try to leave it now until S3 reaches us next year.
Of course, when S3 is shown Moffat may well surprise us with his solution, I just hope that we are not disappointed and think that he has cheated us. |
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PLUS in The adventure of the solitary cyclist, Watson collides with an old man in the street and later Sherlock reveals to Watson that it was him in disguise. Is it therefore proof that the man on the bike is Sherlock bumping into Watson in the street once more?!
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Clone.
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dont know if this has been posted yet, but when Moriarty is he is an actor, Kitty has "make believe" written on the wall behind him.have a look on iplayer just after 59mins.
here is the still http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/1935/capture5b.jpg or just a nice in joke that a press reporter has "make believe" on her wall lol |
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Yeah I'm in the play-dead-look-I-have-no-pulse camp now. I wonder if the people who were crowding round were the irregulars and he needed Molly for some spare hospital clothes for them. Plus the blood spatter.
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I would like to know the significance of IOU, Angels and would like to think that at least some of the characters have some integrity and are what they appear to be.
A fall from grace etc, very biblical. But the IOU is basically a mindfutz by Moriarty. It pops up a lot when things are going pear shaped. When they're being arrested and when the girl screams in the police station. It's there to give Sherlock the impression that Moriarty is everywhere and causing everything to happen. It's supposed to induce a feeling of not being in control. |
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Anyone got any idea if I can find the music playing while Sherlock was on the edge and then jumped? It's REALLY good(a)
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PLUS in The adventure of the solitary cyclist, Watson collides with an old man in the street and later Sherlock reveals to Watson that it was him in disguise. Is it therefore proof that the man on the bike is Sherlock bumping into Watson in the street once more?!
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Exactly- but it is Sherlock and Sherlock did jump-
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Not necessarily!
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True- but it looks like Sherlock jumped, it also looks like Sherlock covered in blood when Dr. Watson tried to take pulse so I will stick with that for the moment
I prefer the laundry bags soft landing solution myself but given the series reliance so far on hi-tech resolutions... |
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Yeah, and the main character is played by a British actor
![]() .House was at least clever and original at the same time. Didn't ACD base his Sherlock character on Joseph Bell, a forensic pathologist? And the producer had openly admitted that he was a fan of the books, hence the obvious similarities. But the timing of the CBS version does make it seem like an attempt to copy the BBC version because of it's success. Plus calling it Elementary doesn't inspire any confidence in Holmes' fans since ( if I'm not mistaken ) Holmes never said the phrase "Elementary my dear Watson" in the books ?? "I have the advantage of knowing your habits, my dear Watson. When your round is a short one, you walk, and when it is a long one, you use a hansom. As I perceive that your boots, although used, are by no means dirty, I can not doubt that you are present busy enough to justify the hansom" "Excellent!" I cried "Elementary", said he |
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One thing to think of in how Sherlock managed to survive is that whilst he might have done something clever to fool Watson who was watching from below, that wouldn't necessarily fool everyone who saw him apparently jump off. Weren't there still assassins watching him? And maybe Moriarty had other people as well, plus there might well have been other people in the street.
So if Sherlock wanted to be thought dead by everyone with no evidence that he'd actually survived, then his plan would have to work without the possibility of anyone seeing how he'd done it. Maybe he could have kept out of view enough on that rooftop to do whatever he did, but surely if anyone had a suspicion that he'd faked it then the papers might well get onto it, meaning that his enemies may suspect that he was alive after all. But then I suppose that if the paper's did think he was dead then he must have been successful however he did it. |
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Not read all the thread but have picked up on most of the theories.
Also not sure if this has been mentioned but if SH has faked his own death (obviously has) then why is he loitering around a public cemetary? And will have to travel there and back to where he is hiding out. He's quite a public figure and it only needs one person with a camera phone to spoil the plan.
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Just had a thought on the 2 Moriarty thing...in the cab when Sherlock opens the driver door and Moriarty says "no charge!" then speeds away he is clean shaven. Next time you see him in Kitty's flat as Rich Brook he has a moustasche. It is (I think) the same night. I know he could be wearing a disguise but...why would he?
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A squash ball under the armpit stops the blood flow in the arm and makes it look like the pulse has either stopped or is very slowed down. It's a magician's trick.
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Also not sure if this has been mentioned but if SH has faked his own death (obviously has) then why is he loitering around a public cemetary? And will have to travel there and back to where he is hiding out.
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Pretty much what I think, except that if it'd been me I'd have gone for a weak pulse and barely breathing. Helps stop Watson making an attempt at revival. Just need to balance it so the paramedics have justification in urgently wheeling him away paying no heed to possible spinal injuries.
I shouldn't laugh but having recently waited two hours for ambulance crews to lift someone who'd falled couple of metres in case of spinal injuries this amuses me greatly. (He was fine.)
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And used in the most recent episode of The Mentalist.
It doesn't actually do any such thing. Really? Why would it? |
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