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The thing with 'Sherlock' is that a) you need to give each episode your full attention (I cannot take people seriously when they attempt to critique it AS THEY WATCH, for clearly they are only half-watching!) and b) it's only once the episode is over that the individual plot threads come together and can, therefore, be fully appreciated and understood.
There was more exploration of John and Sherlock's friendship - the stag night scenes were hilarious and there was quite a bit of Johnlock going on (I loved Sherlock's little 'I don't mind' aside when drunk John put his hand on Sherlock's knee and then hastily removed it! Sweet!). Then there were the seemingly unconnected cases (the 'ghost' dater and the 'invisible' stabber) that came together neatly at the end and provided the answer to the wedding murder question. My only niggle this series is Mary. I can't help but wonder why the show's creators decided to take John down the matrimonial path and away from Sherlock... unless it is to be only a temporary measure. Until tonight I had almost assumed that Mary would die in episode 3 (after all, that's her fictional fate) but now I'm not so sure. Why add a pregnancy to the mix? To make her end even more tragic? Or is Mary here to stay? If so, again, I wonder why. We only get three episodes every two years: do we really need a gooseberry? Even a sweet, well-meaning one? Tonight, despite all Mary's gushing over Sherlock, I couldn't help but wish her miles away every time she made an appearance! More of the boys, please - less of dull domesticity! 2. It does seem a bit odd, but Mary is a part of the Holmes canon and we have seen hints already - such as the 'liar' in Sherlock's word cloud for her - that there is more to her than meets the eye. |
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Benedict has so much dialogue to learn - I was considering it tonight. It must be reams of script.
And he's so busy with other things too. Respect! |
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Read the instant feedback coming through here and Twitter, where real people are reacting in real time to what is on screen. They don't like it. They don't understand why it's changed. They don't accept Moff's detached smug explanations. They don't want it.
Ignoring the good and highlighting the bad. Believe it or not, there's more than one opinion. |
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Really? You do realise they are long-term partners and have two children together?
![]() I'm talking about the role Amanda is playing in the two episodes so far. There's something not right about her. |
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Sherlock said the Major had been killed hours before he'd arrived at the wedding - but how did Mayfly Man stab him with the belt when the whole point was he had to use the wedding to draw him out?
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and don't you just wear that privelege so boastfully?!
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My only niggle this series is Mary. I can't help but wonder why the show's creators decided to take John down the matrimonial path and away from Sherlock... unless it is to be only a temporary measure. Until tonight I had almost assumed that Mary would die in episode 3 (after all, that's her fictional fate) but now I'm not so sure. Why add a pregnancy to the mix? To make her end even more tragic? Or is Mary here to stay? If so, again, I wonder why. We only get three episodes every two years: do we really need a gooseberry? Even a sweet, well-meaning one? Tonight, despite all Mary's gushing over Sherlock, I couldn't help but wish her miles away every time she made an appearance! More of the boys, please - less of dull domesticity! |
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If those in the know are saying that we should hang in there and all will become clear, i am glad to hear that. Personally, as someone who has loved series 1 and 2, this series is a disappointment - although after I watched episode 1 for the second time, I liked it. I will now watch episode 2 again and see how I like it.
However, it really shouldn't take 2 viewings to appreciate one's favourite show. |
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Sherlock said the Major had been killed hours before he'd arrived at the wedding - but how did Mayfly Man stab him with the belt when the whole point was he had to use the wedding to draw him out?
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Oh dear...didn't like that much. One more episode until another 2 + year hiatus. Hopefully there will actually be something happening.
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I didn't mind the episode but I clearly made a mistake getting into this show on its third series - I've yet to see the last two. It's given me a not-great first impression.
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How disappointing. Series 1 & 2 were so good. We've waited two years for this - and we get self-indulgent nonsense.
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Sherlock said the Major had been killed hours before he'd arrived at the wedding - but how did Mayfly Man stab him with the belt when the whole point was he had to use the wedding to draw him out?
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Read the instant feedback coming through here and Twitter, where real people are reacting in real time to what is on screen. They don't like it. They don't understand why it's changed. They don't accept Moff's detached smug explanations. They don't want it.
As has been explained here by other doubters and critics - it's all very well making scenes laugh-a-minute and clever-clever and fit for Tumblr gifs, but away from the Internet echo chamber, real people in living rooms over the country are switching off. Moff could do well to visit somewhere he can't see from his ivory tower. He may notice a fair amount of commercial breaks and Netflix logos where once his programmes used to be. The BBC want to see ratings. They're getting ratings. |
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Dream on. Moffat is one of the jewels in the BBC crown. I think he makes alot of silly decisions. I don't like some of the aspects of his particular style. But if you think the BBC will get rid of him? Delusion.
Yeah. I suppose they'll concentrate on Silent Witness and Atlantis and New Tricks instead and the geniuses running those shows. |
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Awful. I can't believe these are the same people who made the first two series.
I genuinely like Mary, am okay with the idea that Sherlock and Watson are evolving as characters, enjoy the humour, but do we really have to spend so much time on that stuff? Why can't these things be titbits sprinkled among all the detective work and sleuthing? It doesn't feel like the same show. |
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Your selective instant feedback, you mean?
Ignoring the good and highlighting the bad. |
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You're actually making things up. Away from the internet echo chamber the first episode got the highest ratings of the series and was almost universally well reviewed. Its pretty desperate if you're having to make things up.
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She's an obvious weakness for Watson, and something that can be exploited to separate him from Holmes.
What I think we were seeing this week were precient glimmers of next week's impending doom ![]() ![]() Thanks. I'm glad i'm not the only one seeing something untoward going on. |
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I didn't mind the episode but I clearly made a mistake getting into this show on its third series - I've yet to see the last two. It's given me a not-great first impression.
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If so, I think it could only be accidental / unintentional on Mary's part. I don't see the series devastating Watson twice in four episodes. And it (Bad Mary) would be such a departure from the books.
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I thought it was like a game of Guess Who.
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I don't watch those other shows but I would imagine that the people who run them are indeed geniuses in comparison to the washed out Moffat who wrote a few good stories years ago but has done little of note for a long time. I would imagine fora like these are a cheap way for the BBC to gauge audience reaction and they cannot have failed to notice the ever increasing negativity towards Moffat's output. I do indeed "dream on" and the day can't be far away when we are rid of this hack writer.
Exactly how I - and many on this forum and elsewhere - are feeling right now. We don't want to be given a class in clever-clever smugness from an increasingly aloof and arrogant hack. The BBC might currently be hidden away from the growing criticism of him; I bet they won't be for long. |
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In the books Watson got married and stayed married - I think she brings a great dynamic to the show.
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If I'm too specific, though, it will give it away. If you search through the articles on Sherlock on DS or radiotimes.com, the clue you need is there. In fact, the relevant bit of info was covered by EVERY media outlet. It just requires a little detective work to put the clues together ...
Ok, but just in case there is some misunderstanding I was not looking for you to give me the clue, just point me to where I could potentially find it myself since I have no idea which sources to look at..but ok, I give up!!! |
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