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Sherlock - New BBC Drama (Part 2)
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The Gatherer
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“A few telling remarks suggesting some real bitterness and dare I say envy. Stick to talking about the episode. Not the imagined food and drink and company choices of the show creator. Oh except to comment on the episode you would have to have actually watched it. Imagine that.”

Many other people have watched the episode and have been critical of it. Not everyone is a Moffat fanboy. Imagine that.
Eater Sundae
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by glorafin:
“I understand the not bleeding part, but I must say the "not feeling any pain" part leaves me quite sceptical.”

I'm not sure. I'd expect the belt would have needed to be very tight to mask the pain, and the major would not be able to fasten his tightly.

As the show aired, I'd noticed that they had zoomed in on "belt action" for both soldiers and wondered if there was any sort of relevant link, but didn't see any beyond it was the same type of belt.
Benjamin Sisko
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by Doktor Dances:
“Because the Moff is the only person who could possibly have forced writers to turn the show into such a clever-clever, smug, masturbatory mess. His influence and finger prints are all over it. Ultimately he's responsible as show-runner for the way the characters, story and narrative have changed.”

That's not really objective opinion, but borderline personal hatred of the man. You can't accuse people of turning a blind eye to the negative when you yourself are turning a blind eye to the positive vibes the show is giving. Tumblr is practically a happy mess when it comes to positivity about Sherlock. It is loved. I even saw someone call this episode just gone the Best Ever. (even though I personally didn't like it, so I really have no idea where he got that from, but hey ho, it's his view.)
saladfingers81
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“Biggest overnights ever? Of what, a whole 7 episodes. And thought overnights were not important anymore! Anyway, even you said in a previous post was that a lot of that was to do with the hype that had built up over how Sherlock survived (similar to when people tuned in to see Tenant' shock regeneration in Journey's End of DW). I am not knocking the BBC's marketing skills. And I certainly don't expect them to lose any sleep over anything I type on this forum, not sure what point you are trying to make.”

I think I've made it pretty clear. If you work for the BBC and have influence then you have a few ways of gaging the relative success of those people who are writing and producing shows for the corporation. Viewing figures are one. DVD sales are another. Worldwide sales are another. Critical acclaim from those people paid to critique TV are another. That's all there is to it. Unfortunately some people think because their opinion appears on a computer screen it carries some weight. It doesn't. The BBC care about the things I previously listed. Whether they should or not is another argument. But they do. They don't read Digital Spy. They will keep an eye on Twitter I expect. And the reaction there is more positive than negative.
The Gatherer
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“Twitter is much like many people on forums. Very noisy. Very opinionated. Very unaware that they don't speak for the nation. Unfortunately the media encourages them by now using Twitter as some way of gaging public opinion. When it does nothing of the sort. Alot of people shouting into the abyss and no ones listening.”

... which, funnily enough, is exactly the opinion I get of you from reading your posts! (No offence )
CD93
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“Many other people have watched the episode and have been critical of it. Not everyone is a Moffat fanboy. Imagine that.”

Not everyone is out to see Moffat sacked from Sherlock and Doctor Who - but Mr. Dances doesn't seem to register that. Selective copy-pasting of links. He isn't posting any links to positive feedback, is he? He doesn't want to share it. It would conflict with his self-admitted agenda of actively hating Moffat's work.
saladfingers81
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“Many other people have watched the episode and have been critical of it. Not everyone is a Moffat fanboy. Imagine that.”

I'm not a Moffat fan boy. I don't care about the man. I care about his TV shows. And despite many flaws I still enjoy them. Same with RTD. This isn't a football rivalry. There is good and bad with all writer and artists.

It seems to me that its those that hate Moffat that seem obsessed with him and imaginings about his life and motivation. They scream restraining order.
Kapellmeister
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by holly berry:
“Extremely self indulgent and barely enjoyable pap. I'm not sure conflating Dr Who and Sherlock does either soap any good in the long run.”

I laughed
saladfingers81
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“... which, funnily enough, is exactly the opinion I get of you from reading your posts! (No offence )”

and yet I've never claimed to speak for anyone but myself.
The Gatherer
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by CD93:
“Criticism on DS does not represent the entire viewership.

Are you turning a blind eye to all the praise about Sherlock on Twitter? Are you turning a blind eye to all the praise about Sherlock here?

We understand that you don't like Moffat. But I don't understand why you feel you're holding the beating heart of the nation in your hand.

If I was new here, I would think you were trolling. Because that's how many of your posts come across.”

Having a different opinion from yours is not trolling. Having read most of the posts about tonight's show, there are far more negative ones than positive ones. Also the negative ones state what they didn't like whereas these points are just ignored by the Moffat lovers who instead resort to attacking the posters.
Kapellmeister
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Amaretto2:
“Second disappointing episode in a row. People I was watching it with were bored stiff. Moffat seems to have completely lost the plot the past year or so.”

I spoke with my mum and sister about the last episode. They both have the first two series on DVD but neither have enjoyed the new series at all. I asked my sister what she thought and she said 'Not much'. Apparently my brother-in-law had the same reaction. My mum's comments were a bit more extreme and I can't really repeat what she said on here. None of them like 'Doctor Who' any more either.
Eater Sundae
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Serial Lurker:
“It started off like that, but now hot bridesmaids flirt with him and mothers thank him for helping their children and everyone wants to impress him. It's like two different characters.”

But the mother didn't understand the way in which he was helping her ghoulish child.
saladfingers81
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“Having a different opinion from yours is not trolling. Having read most of the posts about tonight's show, there are far more negative ones than positive ones. Also the negative ones state what they didn't like whereas these points are just ignored by the Moffat lovers who instead resort to attacking the posters.”

Oh yes the negative posters are really well informed. Does that include those who didn't even watch the episode in question and those that admitted they were only 'half watching it'?
Kapellmeister
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Seventeen:
“You haven't actually seen the episode Moffat's written (by himself) yet. Why's it always Moffat's fault?”

Well I think it's fair to say that the new series has Moffat's fingerprints all over it, even in the episodes he didn't allegedly write. It's way too similar to his conception of 'Doctor Who' to be a coincidence.
CD93
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“Having a different opinion from yours is not trolling. Having read most of the posts about tonight's show, there are far more negative ones than positive ones. Also the negative ones state what they didn't like whereas these points are just ignored by the Moffat lovers who instead resort to attacking the posters.”

I'm sorry but if I ventured in to the soaps forum and started presenting non-evidence about how Coronation Street has lost the plot and all the writers need to leave - because I have some pseudo vendetta against them - despite not paying any attention to their latest work, I wouldn't be welcomed.

I'm sure I could find plenty, PLENTY, of 'real people' on Twitter to back up my claims - of course.

I would welcome a new EP for Doctor Who - but it doesn't mean I'll be ignoring nonsense like this. He is not here to discuss the latest episodes of Sherlock, he is just here to tell us how much he (and all the people he knows) doesn't like Steven Moffat. But unfortunately I'm culpable in feeding him and this thread has been successfully thrown off course.

It's petty and I wish him luck with it. But I'm out.

It's my opinion - some people on the Internet agree with me - it must be fact.
Doktor Dances
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Kapellmeister:
“Well I think it's fair to say that the new series has Moffat's fingerprints all over it, even in the episodes he didn't allegedly write. It's way too similar to his conception of 'Doctor Who' to be a coincidence.”

Exactly, and you can actually take specific examples (who blew up the TARDIS in series 5) as evidence for this.
Eater Sundae
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Unfledged:
“Oh, are we coming up with new alternative to it 'jumped the shark'? How about it 'brought the Trotters back long after they stopped being funny and the guy who originally created them - who had very few other hits, possibly displaying the fact that he was in fact a one trick pony - had passed away'? Possibly a bit long, I admit. (Though I am still expecting to enjoy this as a series, even if not as individual episodes.)”

Very few other hits? Really?
Eater Sundae
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Espresso:
“I found it weird that Mary talked of skip codes last week and running someone this week. She's the medical receptionist at the surgery where John works, not an MI5 field agent. Or maybe that's exactly what she is. There is definitely more to her than meets the eye, any road.”

Running did seem to be an odd word. She used it both with John and Sherlock.
The Gatherer
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“Oh yes the negative posters are really well informed. Does that include those who didn't even watch the episode in question and those that admitted they were only 'half watching it'?”

I didn't watch the episode either. But I could see the way the show was going after watching the previous episode and decided it wasn't for me. And many comments from those that watched it have confirmed my fears. (And, BTW, before I'm accused of commenting on something I didn't see, I have made no specific references to this episode in my previous posts.)
Eater Sundae
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Espresso:
“I found it weird that Mary talked of skip codes last week and running someone this week. She's the medical receptionist at the surgery where John works, not an MI5 field agent. Or maybe that's exactly what she is. There is definitely more to her than meets the eye, any road.”

How about being put there by Mycroft at the request of Sherlock to keep an eye on John, and they fell in love.
saralund
06-01-2014
I found the whole episode weirdly shapeless, and I didn't really want Sherlock humanised to this extent. The whole Moffat 'discussion' aside, it seemed to me that the John/Mary thing is moving Sherlock into exact alignment with Doctor Who during the Amy/Rory years, which suggests Moffat has some kind of penchant for relationship triangles. Presumably they offer more possibilities for dynamics between characters.

However, I really like Mary, and I think her chemistry with Sherlock adds to the show. She's not a simpering girly girl, but has a sharp brain and a sense of humour. Clearly there's a mystery and a story to come, and I sincerely hope she's not made into a baddy. The orphan backstory is presumably going to lead somewhere.

The 'plot' of Sign of Three was ridiculous, and left so many loose ends, my head was spinning. I can only hope that it was part of a story arc that will resolve next week.

What would happen if an episode was set in summer? Sherlock's coat is definitely a winter one!
Joe_Zel
06-01-2014
This series seems drawn out to be honest.

Instead of feeling like a series of films, it feels like plot that would barely fill a regular TV episode being unnecessarily stretched to 90 minutes.
saladfingers81
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“I didn't watch the episode either. But I could see the way the show was going after watching the previous episode and decided it wasn't for me. And many comments from those that watched it have confirmed my fears. (And, BTW, before I'm accused of commenting on something I didn't see, I have made no specific references to this episode in my previous posts.)”

So out of the three most vocal forum members criticizing tonights episode 2 didn't even watch it and 1 didn't pay much attention! And you expect the BBC to take your opinions seriously let alone fellow forum members? We are truly through the looking glass now.
lostinlost2
06-01-2014
I thought it was a good episode. Interesting reading lots of critical opinions on it.
Too much padding in the middle for my liking however it was far from rubbish.

A good episode is still better than most rubbish on TV ATM in my opinion.
eggshell
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“So out of the three most vocal forum members criticizing tonights episode 2 didn't even watch it and 1 didn't pay much attention! And you expect the BBC to take your opinions seriously let alone fellow forum members? We are truly through the looking glass now.”

Take it outside lads.

Thanks.
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