X Factor Just Shows The Prejudice In This Country....

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Tahir2k

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by Ruby_:
“The term 'coloured' is considered racist by many black people - especially in the UK, the USA and South Africa. Perhaps it's not considered offensive in your own community but it's extremely unwise to assume that others will feel similarly.”

No offense meant.

Tahir2k

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by SIMPLY AMAZING:
“like i have said before

there is no such thing as a race card you DUMBASS

its only an ignorant response to non-white people from white people who just dont want to deal with the situation and its an easy way out
”

You said VWS were in bottom 2 because they are black. Get it, you said they are black so they are in bottom 2.

That is what I call ignorant and lazy thinking.

Anyway, I'm off. Had enuff of this...

Sunset Bitch

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by SIMPLY AMAZING:
“you will find that its white people who get red when they are embarrased and green when they are sick so i dont get how you can say that anyone is coloured its just ignorance”

Well she's not black and she's not white, she's not green and she's not purple.

Get a ****ing grip you saddo..

Sunset Bitch

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by NewWoman:
“I can not believe you are using the word 'coloured' to try and be non racist.

Using racist words doesnt exactly help your point.”

If I wanted to be racist, I'd be racist. What could you do to stop me?

dizzyblonde

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by Tahir2k:
“No offense meant.”

From someone who is definitely on the dark side, no offence taken

I only take offence if I know that the person using the term means it in an offensive way - there's so much change nowadays with correct terminology that I find it diificult to keep up with it. Personally, I don't like the phrase 'non-white', but I can live with it. I've been called worse. Never really needed to define my colour - I can see what I am and I'm happy with it. If anybody else isn't - that's their problem

PS - Sunset Bitch - You're right, of course. Hope you are not racist, but if you are, you are. I'll just have to move in next to you and bring down the price of houses!

Sunset Bitch

31-10-2004

Sorry I don't have the good book of black people terms at my bedside.

It's not often I have to bring up what a person is in relation to skin tone.
I think you are mostly just attacking me for using the word coloured because you can't get past that the voting public are liking Rowetta and not Voices with Soul, which blows your whole race card point out of the water.

And yes I'm the ninth person to say race card, because that's exactly what this thread is, and so far 9 people can see that.

Sunset Bitch

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde:
“From someone who is definitely on the dark side, no offence taken I only take offence if I know that the person using the term means it in an offensive way - there's so much change nowadays with correct terminology that I find it diificult to keep up with it. Personally, I don't like the phrase 'non-white', but I can live with it. I've been called worse. Never really needed to define my colour - I can see what I am and I'm happy with it. If anybody else isn't - that's their problem”

I find it offensive that being white means that you are aginst everyone else.

I mean, are people being classed now as White people - racist and Non White people - not racist.

It's very common for Asian people to be racist against blacks, and black people to be racist against chinese, and chinese to be racist against whites.

Anyine can be racist against anyone, but when it comes to the X Factor, there is definately no place for it and I refuse to beleive that it exists in this competition.

Sunset Bitch

31-10-2004

And my final post is that I cant be arsed with this thread anymore, it's bullshit and I've heard it all befor during every other reality TV show.

Bullshit bullshit bullshit.

Get a life.

dizzyblonde

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by Sunset Bitch:
“I find it offensive that being white means that you are aginst everyone else.

I mean, are people being classed now as White people - racist and Non White people - not racist.

It's very common for Asian people to be racist against blacks, and black people to be racist against chinese, and chinese to be racist against whites.

Anyine can be racist against anyone, but when it comes to the X Factor, there is definately no place for it and I refuse to beleive that it exists in this competition.”

Totally agree with you. I got slammed for decrying this thread about a week ago. Same arguments. I also agree that if you are white, you are more likely to be classed a racist than someone who is not white. It's sad, but it's how things go on threads like this.

Ruby_

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by Sunset Bitch:
“And my final post is that I cant be arsed with this thread anymore, it's bullshit and I've heard it all befor during every other reality TV show.

Bullshit bullshit bullshit.

Get a life.”

I disagree with the premise of this thread, but it doesn't offend me at all. The thread starter is strongly opinionated and won't listen to counter arguments - but I still understand exactly where they are coming from. Whereas I find your comments rude, ignorant and aggressive beyond belief.

SIMPLY AMAZING

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by Sunset Bitch:
“If I wanted to be racist, I'd be racist. What could you do to stop me?”

like i said before...no one cares about you..your nobody..just a sad git with no life..

and to your other qoute...well white peoples skins arent exactly "white" ..its pinkish you dumbass

but thats the term for white people
just like black is for dark brown skinned people

and theres only one word for you and thats dumb

SIMPLY AMAZING

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by Tahir2k:
“You said VWS were in bottom 2 because they are black. Get it, you said they are black so they are in bottom 2.

That is what I call ignorant and lazy thinking.

Anyway, I'm off. Had enuff of this...”

yet you still cannot answer the question that i asked that why were they in the bottom two last week

way to avoid the question...stupid

Tahir2k

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde:
“Totally agree with you. I got slammed for decrying this thread about a week ago. Same arguments. I also agree that if you are white, you are more likely to be classed a racist than someone who is not white. It's sad, but it's how things go on threads like this.”

Finally, someone who is talking sense.

Deerd

31-10-2004

**throw self into the melee**.

Hmmm, allowing that the thread starter apears to be trying to promote a two-fold argument tonight...1/ VWS (his/her view) performed better 23/10 than others and their position in the bottom two MUST'VE been negatively race-related...and 2/ their original point has become a tad moot by tonight's result...BUT...[maybe they didn't get in particularly safely which may be evidence of a further discriminatory vote]?...

Last week i thought VWS were pedestrian in their approach to the material they used...it appeared dated and cliched...i placed them in the bottom two along with Verity/[and/or]2 To Go, muchly for the same reasons...

Tonight they impressed me slightly more but were still floating in that bottom three...

ANY DETERMINATION I MADE WAS TO MY TASTES AND WITH A VIEW TO POTENTIAL AND RANGE...

Moreover, isn't the much lauded 'X-FACTOR' that great unquantifiable?...if it is, indeed, such then surely to suggest that a conscious inclusion OR exclusion element determined upon conscious racial grounds is a non-sequitur...To propose that multitudes adjust their 'great unquatifiable X response' in negative racial terms suggests the recommendation of a concomintant positive discriminatory response...were either of those responses to become prescribed then it would not be the 'X' which were being asked/seeking to determined but a PC-caveat-laden 'Y'...equality of opportunity cannot be found in a model such as that.

SIMPLY AMAZING

31-10-2004

and i just felt that i had to reply to this dumbass comment from yet the same person with no brains

black/asian/non-white make up to about 12% of the countries population

the other 88 percent is white

in competitions like this that are decided by phone votes...its majority of white people voting

now you can have your opinion on voices of soul..i could care less

but when for the last 6 years in every single competition where its decided by a phone vote that not a single non-white person has won then i have to question why not..

but of course your dumb and probably cant only count to 3

Mesostim

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by Sunset Bitch:
“
It's very common for Asian people to be racist against blacks, and black people to be racist against chinese, and chinese to be racist against whites.

Anyine can be racist against anyone, but when it comes to the X Factor, there is definately no place for it and I refuse to beleive that it exists in this competition.”

Hold on...you say "It's very common for Asian people to be racist against blacks, and black people to be racist against chinese, and chinese to be racist against whites." but "refuse" to believe racism exists in Fame Academy..how could something so common not exist for this show......????

Tahir2k

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by SIMPLY AMAZING:
“yet you still cannot answer the question that i asked that why were they in the bottom two last week

way to avoid the question...stupid”

Childish fool.

What a f***ing stupid question.
How do I know why they were in the bottom two?
How do I know what each of the millions of people are thinking when casting a vote?

YOU said it was because they were black. That is a pathetic and lazy conclusion to come to make on the voting habits of the public.

I can't say why they were in the bottom 2 last week. But I'm not going to be a moron and come out with a ridiculous statement saying that it is because of VWS being black.

Tahir2k

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by Deerd:
“**throw self into the melee**.

Hmmm, allowing that the thread starter apears to be trying to promote a two-fold argument tonight...1/ VWS (his/her view) performed better 23/10 than others and their position in the bottom two MUST'VE been negatively race-related...and 2/ their original point has become a tad moot by tonight's result...BUT...[maybe they didn't get in particularly safely which may be evidence of a further discriminatory vote]?...

Last week i thought VWS were pedestrian in their approach to the material they used...it appeared dated and cliched...i placed them in the bottom two along with Verity/[and/or]2 To Go, muchly for the same reasons...

Tonight they impressed me slightly more but were still floating in that bottom three...

ANY DETERMINATION I MADE WAS TO MY TASTES AND WITH A VIEW TO POTENTIAL AND RANGE...

Moreover, isn't the much lauded 'X-FACTOR' that great unquantifiable?...if it is, indeed, such then surely to suggest that a conscious inclusion OR exclusion element determined upon conscious racial grounds is a non-sequitur...To propose that multitudes adjust their 'great unquatifiable X response' in negative racial terms suggests the recommendation of a concomintant positive discriminatory response...were either of those responses to become prescribed then it would not be the 'X' which were being asked/seeking to determined but a PC-caveat-laden 'Y'...equality of opportunity cannot be found in a model such as that.”

HAHAHA. Erm... I agree with whatever you said.

You cracked me up mate - 10 points to you.

Mykonos

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by SIMPLY AMAZING:
“and i just felt that i had to reply to this dumbass comment from yet the same person with no brains

black/asian/non-white make up to about 12% of the countries population

the other 88 percent is white

in competitions like this that are decided by phone votes...its majority of white people voting

now you can have your opinion on voices of soul..i could care less

but when for the last 6 years in every single competition where its decided by a phone vote that not a single non-white person has won then i have to question why not..

but of course your dumb and probably cant only count to 3”

Are the personal comments really necessary?

Your argument was done to death in the States until first Reuben then Fantasia won American Idol.The bottom of that market fell out after that.I've already posted that in this thread but have had no feedback about it from you.Would you rather just name-call in a typical primary school fashion?

Deerd

31-10-2004

You quote per capita figures [despite those being slightly off in terms of self-determination...no never mind]...do you truly believe RTV and talent...appreciation of talent...acceptance of talent to be soooooooooooo racially-reductionist?

If so, do you futher break determination of this nature down to ethnic and culture reductionist basics?...are we to determine by non-white-'anglo' origin the talent-show allegience of the viewer...is it possible that within the grouping of 'white' contestant that we can extrapolate voting patterns based on celts/saxons/albians/etc...?

I'm curious as to the nature of some of the blanket being used...for no other reason than, if your theory holds true, the patch-work you offer up is no where near comprehensive/complex enough.

SIMPLY AMAZING

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by Tahir2k:
“Childish fool.

What a f***ing stupid question.
How do I know why they were in the bottom two?
How do I know what each of the millions of people are thinking when casting a vote?

YOU said it was because they were black. That is a pathetic and lazy conclusion to come to make on the voting habits of the public.

I can't say why they were in the bottom 2 last week. But I'm not going to be a moron and come out with a ridiculous statement saying that it is because of VWS being black.”

judging from the last 6 years of experience with phone votes
judging from the last 6 years of a non-white ever winning anything
and judging from someone who couldnt sing and them going through
and judging from the judges saying there was no way they should have been in the bottom 2 (even on itv2 the same week) i came to that conclusion

you have no grounds or evidence to back up your arguement..instead your just rambling on

ohh your playing the race card...so nieve and gullable thinking that racism doesnt exist

now there may not be any racists on this forum..but what makes me laugh is that people on here think that just because "they" are not racist that means there is none about

we have the bnp for goodness sake..wake up to reality

Tahir2k

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by Deerd:
“You quote per capita figures [despite those being slightly off in terms of self-determination...no never mind]...do you truly believe RTV and talent...appreciation of talent...acceptance of talent to be soooooooooooo racially-reductionist?

If so, do you futher break determination of this nature down to ethnic and culture reductionist basics?...are we to determine by non-white-'anglo' origin the talent-show allegience of the viewer...is it possible that within the grouping of 'white' contestant that we can extrpolate voting patterns based on celts/saxons/albians/etc...?

I'm curious as to the nature of some of the blanket being used...for no other reason than, if your theory holds true, the patch-work you offer up is no where near comprehensive/complex enough.”

SIMPLY AMAZING

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by fannianni:
“Are the personal comments really necessary?

Your argument was done to death in the States until first Reuben then Fantasia won American Idol.The bottom of that market fell out after that.I've already posted that in this thread but have had no feedback about it from you.Would you rather just name-call in a typical primary school fashion? ”

the name calling was neccesary as that particular person said that they didnt care if there were racists in this country

anyways i think that america is more open to other cultures than here..its the birth of rap and rnb and those artists sell millions there so that just shows you about the people there

Tahir2k

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by SIMPLY AMAZING:
“judging from the last 6 years of experience with phone votes
judging from the last 6 years of a non-white ever winning anything
and judging from someone who couldnt sing and them going through
and judging from the judges saying there was no way they should have been in the bottom 2 (even on itv2 the same week) i came to that conclusion

you have no grounds or evidence to back up your arguement..instead your just rambling on

ohh your playing the race card...so nieve and gullable thinking that racism doesnt exist

now there may not be any racists on this forum..but what makes me laugh is that people on here think that just because "they" are not racist that means there is none about

we have the bnp for goodness sake..wake up to reality”

What evidence? To what? Why bring up the BNP into this?

Kids, look at the behaviour of this "Simply Amazing" person, and remember this vital lesson: When a stranger offers you drugs - just say NO.

Mykonos

31-10-2004

Originally Posted by SIMPLY AMAZING:
“the name calling was neccesary as that particular person said that they didnt care if there were racists in this country

anyways i think that america is more open to other cultures than here..its the birth of rap and rnb and those artists sell millions there so that just shows you about the people there”

So.......are you saying that there was never a perceived bias in the States?If so,you are incorrect becuse until Reuben's win the exact same 'black argument' was used there.The wins of both Reuben and Fantasia blew that argument away rapidly.

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