You and many other posters have been charmed by Jorgie's performances. I don't ask you for the whys and wherefores - you are entitled to your opinion; such a pity I can't be allowed to express my views without the inference that my opinions are based upon such shallow criteria as acting cv and/or hair colour.

Any poster is entitled to disagree with me and I in turn have the right to respond without accusations of paranoia or my relationship with my mother being questioned. Clearly you are amused by what you regard as your own cleverness at that last remark. However not only do I find your comment insulting and distasteful but I think you might do well to revisit the t&c's of DS - paying particular attention to the clause addressing the requirement of respect to other posters.

Incidentally I find Jorgie a very good contestant - I also find her vacuous. The latter has nothing to do with the colour of her locks or her role in some soap I've never watched.

Jennifer is also blonde and has appeared in a soap (again something I haven't watched) but I did see her in Hell's kitchen and liked her feisty, hard working attitude. She's yet to pose a threat to Jorgie on the ice but I wouldn't rule her out yet.

Other blondes have also earned my vote in past series.

Clare Buckfield rhe runner up from series 2 - one of my all time favourites.
Suzanne Shaw winner of series 3; great skater and performer - and such fun.

So far Jorgie doesn't tick all the boxes for me - but I'm sure enough viewers disagree with me to make her a genuine contender.




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It seems she plays the dumb blonde well enough for some people to believe she actually is dumb.

Her personality isn't my cup of tea (too coy) but she's like a princess on the ice and that's what really matters. She's easily my favourite this series so far and I think she should have been marked higher than Matt as that 9-5 routine was amazing and one of the best things I've ever seen on DOI.

I'm basing my opinion on first hand observation. If you have evidence to disprove my view I'll readily admit I'm wrong; but do you think the persona she's projecting is really an act? If so I suggest she's playing a very dangerous game. Viewers/voters don't like being taken for a ride and if she's really trying to fool people her deception will soon be spotted: and why would she do that? Does she think it's a vote catcher.

I think she thinks (this is just an opinion) if she is pretty, talented and intelligent, it's a bit too threatening, especially for female viewers; so pretty and talented is enough. She is an actress, and some actors/actresses may seem less intelligent than they actually are. Marlon Brando, whom many people would consider a genius as an actor, had a measured IQ of only 99, just below average; and in interviews did not come over as a brainbox; but he had the intuitive ability to pick up and incorporate any aspect of human behaviour into his performances.

I see the point that you are making - but the only competition in DOI is on the ice. Celebs are not expected to write an essay, solve mathematical equations or explain Einstein's theory of relativity. They simply have to stand there and reply to Schofield's inane questions. I doubt if any woman would feel threatened if Jorgie responded to Schofield's inanity with a straightforward answer rather than the breathless persona she currently portrays.

Jen is talented - as exemplified by her West End appearances; she's also very pretty and a popular girl, winning Hell's Kitchen on the public vote - yet she doesn't seem to feel the need to put herself across as a breathless, ditzy blonde.

If, underneath Jorgie's ditzy exterior, there really is an intelligent girl trying to get out I suggest she gives the 'real' Jorgie free rein.

Well it might be acting she was a 20/21 year old playing a 15year old chavy McQueen at one point and she did a really good job of it.

Although I haven't watched Hollyoaks for a while, is Jorgie still on the show. I was under the impression that she had left.

As you yourself said,it was an assumption by the poster,hardly an attempt to psychoanalyse you.
However,having seen you use that term,my first reaction was to play with the idea,inspired by a comedy sketch I saw many years ago.


I do apologise if my comments touched a nerve.You maybe assured that I have no interest in your familial relationships whatsoever.


I assume you are referring to the smiley which was put there to telegraph the tongue-in-cheek manner in which I was writing.
You seem to have inferred another meaning.


Oops again,apologies as that was not my intention.Clearly I misjudged how you would perceive the nature of my post.


Be assured that should I have cause to respond to your posts in future it will be with the utmost tact.


Just for the record, I never thought it did.

But it seems to be based on nothing deeper than her "breathless persona".

I know he's a bit biased, but Matt says Jorgie is an "incredible actress" and an "incredible person" and like a "sponge". It seems people who actually know her have nothing bad to say about her. A really good actress has the ability to turn herself into anyone, like a chameleon. How different in presentation her two performances have been. She has already shown considerable range as an performer and skater.

Matt's comments about Jorgie indicate that either a) he's not quite as good with words as he is with skates or b) he's sufficiently apathetic about Jorgie not to bother thinking of two different adjectives to use about her

I have to say I don't get the ravings about Jorgie - she's good, but no better than the vast majority of other good female contestants we've seen, and I don't get a 'feeling' from her performance at all (sorry Louie). Mind you, I don't get it particularly about Matt either, who's practically the male mirror of Jorgie - great on the ice, personality-free off it.

In a fight between the two on Sunday I preferred Matt to Jorgie, but Chico was my favourite

FWIW
1. I think that's how she is - it's not an act as such
2. It's not especially relevant - unless of course it were an act, which I don't think it is.

What I will say is that her skating style, especially the arm work, is quite reminiscent of Katarina's - which I am sure explains why she is so taken with her (and I don't mean that disingenuously to Katraina).

There are times when first reactions result in heroism; e.g. the rescue of someone from drowning or a burning building with no thought for one's own safety - but the fact that you offer such impulse as an excuse for implying that I'm paranoid suggests some desperation to excuse your insults.

I'd find your apology and your assurances of disinterest more sincere had you not implied that your comments touched a nerve. My relationship with my mother is neither a sore point nor a sensitive subject.

The tone of your whole post suggests that the smiley was a signal of your self perceived wit rather than a jocular exchange.

Clearly you did - apology accepted as this time you did not excuse it by adding a qualification.

Should the effect of my responses to you result in more respect for other posters then this exchange has not been entirely futile.

It is indeed - but given the fatuous questions Phillip asks I'm surprised she is unable to articulate an answer without this breathless image she portrays.

Perhaps I'm misjudging her but it appears to me planned, rehearsed or both - unless of course that is her true persona.

That is very true which still leaves me wondering why she would want to give this ditzy blonde impression.

I can't comment on her acting abilities as I've never seen her act, but in an attempt to learn something about her before commenting I made a google search.

Apparently she's been nominated in the Soap awards for both Best Newcomer and Best Actress and she also learned to street dance on Born to Shine, but failed to make the final. Unsurprising really considering her ballet background. In addition she is actively involved in a cancer charity. Other than that most of her publicity seems to stem from photoshoots in her underwear for lads' mags.

As far as her skating is concerned I agree completely that she shows real talent and might prove very hard to beat, though I haven't really gained the impression that her performance skills (as opposed to her skating skills) are particularly superior to that of any other actor (both male and female) from any past or this present series.

Jorgie is amazing, enjoyed watching her on last week.

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0148583/bio

It seems Jorgie's character Theresa McQueen in Hollyoaks, is somewhat "naive and ditzy" - so this persona could be a hangover from playing her.

If she slips into the Theresa character, it may not be a conscious decision/deception on her part.

It is difficult to judge a person's nature by the mask they present,consciously or unconsciously, to the rest of us.In that sense we can all be actors sometimes.I know a young girl who went from very quiet to "gobby" in a few years but is still the same sensitive soul inside, the louder persona she has adopted being, I feel,a preemptive response to a world that will all too easily upset her.
Jorgie may have hidden depths,but at this moment,I do not care.The 'face' I see at the moment is engaging enough for Sunday evening entertainment.

She's good enough for me to join this forum in a spare moment, that's for sure

I've tuned in to DOI a couple of times before purely on the basis of people who I think are lovely and whom I want to see do well (last year it was Laura who I was rooting for from day one) and Jorgie is a perfect example of this. She's a delight. She's sweet, engaging, enthusiastic, modest, almost ridiculously lovely to look at, her professional partner adores her, and she is, it would appear, very very talented. (People looking down their noses at her efforts so far have possibly missed the point that this is week three. Week three.)


Subsequent discussion about whether she is genuinely as she appears to be has missed the point that the above criticism in itself is rude, unfair and has an unpleasant tone of superiority. Even if she is exactly how she appears on screen, (which I think she is, with a impulse towards wanting to be amusing) there's nothing wrong with that. It's not enough reason for anyone to assume she is dumb, either, and no-one would have the right to look down on her if she were.

I don't know if this applies to anyone here, but I'd prefer the emotional intelligence to see why calling someone "vacuous" isn't okay over more conventional forms of intelligence any day of the week.


This!


Speaking of unpleasant judgements... (and sour unpleasantness to boot)


She skated by herself in her first dance, which you saw with your eyes.


Apathy? He beams at her at every opportunity, talked about "chills" in show one, and when asked "where can she go from here?" made an emphatic "up" motion (and those are the moments I recall off the top of my head). Again, the phrase "you saw it with your eyes" is relevant.


Being (alongside one other contestant) at least 3.5 points ahead of everyone else on the leader board would seem to break your theory, really. If you can watch the "9 to 5" routine and not get a damned fine impression of her performance skills compared to the others then the blinkers need to come off, frankly...

(That's about all the time I can spend here for now, so I'll bow out of the thread here. Cheerio, folks)

Gah...this is always what is slightly annoying about digital spy. A competitor comes out such as Jorgie and people nit-pick to find any fault possible to dislike her. She is a fantastic skater, lovely on the ice and a nice dancer too...and deserves to go very very far in the competition. I look forward to her performances (along with Matthew) and that's what the show is all about. I'd rather watch an hour of Jorgie on the ice than an hour of Rosemary or Jennifer.

Welcome to the forum and I'm happy that Jorgie gives you so much pleasure.

Now perhaps you will allow others to hold a different opinion without the need to be overly defensive on behalf of your favourite.

Jorgie is indeed a talented skater with a very real chance of taking the ultimate prize. Does that mean that every one has to think
You appear to have set her on a pedestal of perfection which I (and a few others) don't share.

To me she seems a pleasant young woman; and she's certainly enthusiastic and videos show her to be a hard worker. I don't find her particularly lovely to look at, but then beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

As for Matt adoring her, I'm sure her talent excites Matt in the same way as did Suzanne's.

DS is for members to voice an opinion. Sometimes you will share that viewpoint (e.g. I too supported Laura last year) and sometimes - as in this instance - you will strongly disagree in which case you have every right to express your stance. However I think it would be better expressed without the use of such epithets as rude, unfair and superior.

If as you say she might have
when she is not naturally so, then she is not being herself and I wonder why she would want to project a false persona. Many like you will find reason to defend this 'acting' others like me will find it irritating.

Quite clearly you know exactly to whom you're referring as I was the poster who used the term vacuous. If you feel the need to comment on my use of the term at least have the courage of your convictions without the vague I don't know if this applies to anyone here comment.


I didn't see anything in that 9 to 5 performance that could not have been accomplished by others. Clearly you did, though I wouldn't be so rude as to suggest that where Jorgie is concerned the blinkers need to come off.

My observation was that the 'acting' took place off the ice and consisted of nothing more than wearing specs and 'bashing' out an imaginary letter on a typewriter.

Incidentally I happen to think that Matt was worth at least 1 mark overall better than Jorgie. Just my opinion and one that I'm entitled to express.


Those of us who are not engaged by Jorgie have a right to say so in the same way that her supporters are entitled to post their laudatory comments.

Check my history on this thread if you wish - I have never been anything other than complimentary about Jorgie's skating.

Just because you hold her in such high esteem does not mean that those with a different viewpoint are 'nit picking.'

My preference amongst the girls is Jennifer followed by Heidi. Do I think their skating is as good as Jorgie's? No I don't - though I have high hopes that an injury free Jennifer will show the potential to be up there with the leaders. I simply prefer their natural enthusiasm and self deprecating sense of humour to what I perceive as Jorgie's breathless act.

It seems the breathless dumb blonde act happens when she slips in the Theresa McQueen persona after a performance, because she is genuinely a little breathless after something physically and mentally straining, and the persona she knows so well and has done so often is just the easiest thing to hide behind.

The question as to whether she is really as dumb as the Theresa McQueen character has occurred before (some of this is on Google) and people have generally concluded that she's just a very good actress and she must have some intelligence to be an actress.

I should have added that the Theresa McQueen character has been described as a "vacuous waste of space".

And here's exactly what's wrong with a lot of DOI viewers/voters. Just cannot get past what you perceive one of the celebrities to be like, and back others based on personality, not skating, improvement, work ethic.

Jorgie seems like a genuine, bubbly, excitable young woman. More importantly, she's proven herself to be a pretty brilliant skater so far, can't wait to see how far she can go.

What I like about Jorgie is that she isnt like Suzanne or even Hayley..even if shes hurt. she doesn't spend all her time trying to get attention from it, shes just having fun, she has energy, and shes striving to improve.

I cant stand all these girls constantly going on and on moaning constantly about everything! Jorgies a breath of fresh air!

Another thing wrong with a lot of DOI viewers/voters - they just cannot get past the fact that not everyone perceives their favourite as a genuine, bubbly, excitable young woman.

For my part and for what it's worth I don't think anyone can claim that they are lacking in work ethic.

She was great again tonight, looked good too