So last night after watching Chemmy's performance and the little stumble and the lift that went wrong i was expecting her to get 4.5 and 5.0's from the judges but i was so shocked when i saw her total of 10.5

That was on par with ROSEMARY and MARK!

No way was she as bad as that!

What does everyone else think?

She lost 1.0 from each judge for failing the element, the lift, so that would have meant done a score of 13.5. She also lost at least 0.5 from each judge for other faults.

I completely agree with you. Also, although I like Charlene, I think she was over-marked as she didn't skate much (not her fault I realise)

Yep ridiculously undermarked. Of course judges have to take marks off for errors but given her performance was pretty good otherwise (even the judges said this) it was strange. I too was still expecting 5.0s.

Thats sounds like exactly how they did it - but if you added up what was there done correctly you would get to a higher number than the people who got higher marks, for completing less content. And that way of marking is ridiculous - because it penalises you for taking the risk of doing something difficult, and you can get a high mark for doing nothing much at all.

It starts from the fundamental mistake of comparing DOI to a professional competition- where everyone will skate a routine more like the same difficulty and mark earning potential . Here the routines differ in difficulty - but the marking doesn't reflect that enough . Worse, the weaker people seem to get extra marks for enthusiasm or doing less risky moves they found difficult - which blurs the differences even more.

They also need to start thinking through their marking between the sexes - you can't mark a male for skating more and doing fewer lifts and tricks, than you do a female who has less skating in her choregraphy and more tricks. When neither sex of celebrities has the complete set of skills of the professionals, and the DOI choregraphy makes the sexes specialise, you need to mark each sex against its own dOI scale - not mark T and D's choregraphy.

I think this was always the danger of reducing the number of judges, taking out any general view, and biasing the marking towards professional skaters, and judging the overall performance less . Professional skaters may know how they mark professional skaters - but its not clear they understand much about marking anything else equitably. Louie is there to counteract that, but he seems to have restricted himself to a small niche - the result is that the marks are not really judging the whole picture. They don't reflect what was attempted and what succeeded or how well anything was acted, and even when the judges said who did best their marks didn't reflect what they said.

Marking based on difficulty would be too complicated for a Sunday night audience. But it would be worth acknowledging by the panel that someone performed a clean routine but its was pretty was pretty easy compared to other routines and the moves were basic so they can only give them a certain score.

That's not the issue here though. What they need to explain is how much they have marked someone down for errors & why. Had Chemmy's routine been awful throughout then that mark would have been fair. And most people seem to be bemused as to how she ended up on the same score as Rosemary (who did a basic routine also with some mistakes/wobbles) and Mark who did half his routine off ice and then did some basic stuff on ice.

Chemmy could have lost up to a total of 6.0 points in all from the judges for mistakes and non-completion of an element. I think she's was heading for about 16.5, but then had the marks deducted. Last year when Chloe scored 7.0 in the semi-final instead of 9.0 from the three judges, she lost 1.0 for missing out an element, and 1.0 for falling. I think it's minus 1.0 for a major mistake, and minus 0.5 for a minor mistake, but the minor mistakes can add up. I also think relative difficulty or easiness is not a factor for deductions - just did the contestant make a mistake in their given routine, regardless of how difficult it was to do - and was the mistake a major mistake or a minor mistake - then add that up and deduct from what they would have given for a routine executed without mistakes.

But they don't start from a base scare related to the difficulty so they have no business taking marks off for execution in the first place. If they did that the people at home and the skaters would be it as totally futile as most of them would have a difficult rating that would get nowhere near those at the top - although Matt, Chico and Jorgie could perhapse attempt something around the same area for difficulty.

Maybe they could have a set dance with alot of skating content for one of the twists. Although it might make it a bit boring for the viewers.