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“I think that was his point.”
“I think that was his point.”
Never mind.....
The Ratings Thread (Part 31)
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Originally Posted by myscrapbook2011:
“Never mind.....”
“Never mind.....”
Just so as to clarify. C4 made a poor show - C5 are now making a good show (although their first 'normal' BB was rather poor).
C4 just kept chasing ratings, not realising they were actually losing them. C5 just seem to be letting the show breathe itself, trusting the format
Points go to C5. And likely some of C4's 16-34 viewers.
Originally Posted by grimshaw:
“ Just so as to clarify.
C4 made a poor show - C5 are now making a good show (although their first 'normal' BB was rather poor).
C4 just kept chasing ratings, not realising they were actually losing them. C5 just seem to be letting the show breathe itself, trusting the format
Points go to C5. And likely some of C4's 16-34 viewers.”
“
Just so as to clarify. C4 made a poor show - C5 are now making a good show (although their first 'normal' BB was rather poor).
C4 just kept chasing ratings, not realising they were actually losing them. C5 just seem to be letting the show breathe itself, trusting the format
Points go to C5. And likely some of C4's 16-34 viewers.”
C5 have done the same with Neighbours, Home And Away and other poached shows... Which shows they are a reasonable broadcaster compared to Channel Snore.....
Tuesday 24th January Overnights
BBC One
13:45- Doctors: 1.77m (20.6%)
19:30- EastEnders: 8.13m (34.2%)
20:00- Holby City: 5.23m (22.6%)
21:00- MasterChef: 4.77m (19.3%)
BBC Two
19:30- Live Carling Cup Semi Final: 3.94m (16.8%) inc HD
* peak: 5.3m at 22:25
ITV1
19:00- Emmerdale: 7.38m (33.9%) , +1: 142k (0.6%)
19:30- Farewell Becky: 4.57m (19.2%) , +1: 263k (1.1%)
20:00- The Exit List: 1.99m (8.5%) , +1: 71k (0.29%)
21:00- The Biggest Loser: 2.14m (8.6%) , +1: 168k (0.9%)
Channel 4
18:30- Hollyoaks: 1.09m (5.2%)
20:00- The Fat Fighters: 922k (4%)
21:00- 15 Kids and Counting: 2.15m (8.7%) , +1: 342k (1.8%)
22:00- Shameless: 1.4m (7.3%) , +1: 246k (2.4%)
Channel 5
13:45- Neighbours: 736k (8.6%)
17:30- Neighbours: 1.1m (6.5%)
18:00- Home and Away: 809k (4.1%)
20:00- Cowboy Builders: 1.53m (6.6%)
21:00- Body of Proof: 1.54m (6.2%) , +1: 77k (0.4%)
22:00- Celebrity Big Brother: 2.35m (12.2%)
23:00- Celebrity Big Brother's Bit On The Side: 795k (8.1%)
Primetime Shares
BBC One: 21.5%
BBC Two: 13.2%
ITV1: 12.3% (+1: 0.5%)
Channel 5: 6.7%
Channel 4: 5.8% (+1: 0.7%)
Ratings include HD and are tape-checked where necessary
Multichannel
5*
18:30- Home and Away: 507k (2.4%)
BBC Three
20:00- Don't Tell The Bride: 855k (3.7%)
21:00- Junior Doctors: 1.15m (4.7%)
22:00- EastEnders: 771k (3.5%)
BBC Four
21:00- Survivors: Nature's Indestructible Creatures: 787k (3.2%)
22:00- The World Against Apartheid: 202k (1%)
Dave
21:00- Suits: 468k (1.9%)
E4
19:00- Hollyoaks: 495k (2.2%) , +1: 102k (0.4%)
More4
22:00- Confessions of a Nurse: 493k (2.6%) , +1: 27k
Sources: Attentional, Broadcast, DS (1) (2)
BBC One
13:45- Doctors: 1.77m (20.6%)
19:30- EastEnders: 8.13m (34.2%)
20:00- Holby City: 5.23m (22.6%)
21:00- MasterChef: 4.77m (19.3%)
BBC Two
19:30- Live Carling Cup Semi Final: 3.94m (16.8%) inc HD
* peak: 5.3m at 22:25
ITV1
19:00- Emmerdale: 7.38m (33.9%) , +1: 142k (0.6%)
19:30- Farewell Becky: 4.57m (19.2%) , +1: 263k (1.1%)
20:00- The Exit List: 1.99m (8.5%) , +1: 71k (0.29%)
21:00- The Biggest Loser: 2.14m (8.6%) , +1: 168k (0.9%)
Channel 4
18:30- Hollyoaks: 1.09m (5.2%)
20:00- The Fat Fighters: 922k (4%)
21:00- 15 Kids and Counting: 2.15m (8.7%) , +1: 342k (1.8%)
22:00- Shameless: 1.4m (7.3%) , +1: 246k (2.4%)
Channel 5
13:45- Neighbours: 736k (8.6%)
17:30- Neighbours: 1.1m (6.5%)
18:00- Home and Away: 809k (4.1%)
20:00- Cowboy Builders: 1.53m (6.6%)
21:00- Body of Proof: 1.54m (6.2%) , +1: 77k (0.4%)
22:00- Celebrity Big Brother: 2.35m (12.2%)
23:00- Celebrity Big Brother's Bit On The Side: 795k (8.1%)
Primetime Shares
BBC One: 21.5%
BBC Two: 13.2%
ITV1: 12.3% (+1: 0.5%)
Channel 5: 6.7%
Channel 4: 5.8% (+1: 0.7%)
Ratings include HD and are tape-checked where necessary
Multichannel
5*
18:30- Home and Away: 507k (2.4%)
BBC Three
20:00- Don't Tell The Bride: 855k (3.7%)
21:00- Junior Doctors: 1.15m (4.7%)
22:00- EastEnders: 771k (3.5%)
BBC Four
21:00- Survivors: Nature's Indestructible Creatures: 787k (3.2%)
22:00- The World Against Apartheid: 202k (1%)
Dave
21:00- Suits: 468k (1.9%)
E4
19:00- Hollyoaks: 495k (2.2%) , +1: 102k (0.4%)
More4
22:00- Confessions of a Nurse: 493k (2.6%) , +1: 27k
Sources: Attentional, Broadcast, DS (1) (2)
That's a great rating for Farewell Becky - especially for a Tuesday night. Unfortunately it fell apart for them again once it hit 8pm.
5 again out-rating 4. I suspect EE was affected by female viewers going to Corrie rather than male viewers deserting to the football. And rarely has a programme been more appropriately named than The Biggest Loser.
Ouch.
Originally Posted by myscrapbook2011:
“C5 have done the same with Neighbours, Home And Away and other poached shows... Which shows they are a reasonable broadcaster compared to Channel Snore.....”
“C5 have done the same with Neighbours, Home And Away and other poached shows... Which shows they are a reasonable broadcaster compared to Channel Snore.....”
How have C5 had any effect on the quality of the Aussie soaps? All they do is pay for the rights, they dont produce the show.
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“BBC2's 3.9m for a Carling Cup Semi between two Championship sides compares rather favourably with many of ITV's expensively bought in FA Cup and CL fixtures - on the main channel!
In fact, ITV has been known to deliver full slot FA Cup Final ratings lower than that!”
“BBC2's 3.9m for a Carling Cup Semi between two Championship sides compares rather favourably with many of ITV's expensively bought in FA Cup and CL fixtures - on the main channel!
In fact, ITV has been known to deliver full slot FA Cup Final ratings lower than that!”
It does put it into perspective just how poorly some of ITV's football coverage rates in comparison to the Beeb.
Originally Posted by Truth Teller:
“The celebrity wedding planner series that 5 commissioned around BB. What has been the viewing figs for each episode? and who was the celeb on each?
Just curious to see who brings in the viewers and if it was a ratings winner or not.
Thank you.”
“The celebrity wedding planner series that 5 commissioned around BB. What has been the viewing figs for each episode? and who was the celeb on each?
Just curious to see who brings in the viewers and if it was a ratings winner or not.
Thank you.
”
Anyone know? Thanks.
Originally Posted by Georged123:
“How have C5 had eny effect on the quality of the Aussie soaps? All they do is pay for the rights, they dont produce the show.”
“How have C5 had eny effect on the quality of the Aussie soaps? All they do is pay for the rights, they dont produce the show.”
When the BBC had Neighbours the names of two BBC producers always used to appear on the end-credits so I assume they must have had some input (otherwise what were they ''producing''?)
Originally Posted by Georged123:
“How have C5 had any effect on the quality of the Aussie soaps? All they do is pay for the rights, they dont produce the show.”
“How have C5 had any effect on the quality of the Aussie soaps? All they do is pay for the rights, they dont produce the show.”
WRONG - They pay the entire production costs of Home And Away in exchange for the lifetime rights to the show.
They also have a say in the content of both shows. If you watch the credits of Home And Away you'll notice a lady named Faith McKinnon is credited - she's Channel 5's input lady for Home And Away.....
Originally Posted by ftv:
“When the BBC had Neighbours the names of two BBC producers always used to appear on the end-credits so I assume they must have had some input (otherwise what were they ''producing''?)”
“When the BBC had Neighbours the names of two BBC producers always used to appear on the end-credits so I assume they must have had some input (otherwise what were they ''producing''?)”
One of those producers was kept on for the first few months of Neighbours on Channel 5.....
There's someone else doing it now but I can't think of his name. I will look it up.
Tis true - the BBC had a meeting with Grundy Television every 6months to discuss future storylines.
CH5 contribute 60% of production costs for Home and Away in exchange for life-time UK rights and the european premiere (something RTE held for years and they even took CH5 to court over it)
CH5 do not have a say in production with Neighbours at the moment ( which is why the show changed dramatically when the BBC lost it (as they had alot of input)
CH5 contribute 60% of production costs for Home and Away in exchange for life-time UK rights and the european premiere (something RTE held for years and they even took CH5 to court over it)
CH5 do not have a say in production with Neighbours at the moment ( which is why the show changed dramatically when the BBC lost it (as they had alot of input)
Originally Posted by myscrapbook2011:
“One of those producers was kept on for the first few months of Neighbours on Channel 5.....
There's someone else doing it now but I can't think of his name. I will look it up.”
“One of those producers was kept on for the first few months of Neighbours on Channel 5.....
There's someone else doing it now but I can't think of his name. I will look it up.”
The reason that happended was because the BBC actually gave up Neighbours earlier than planned (they ended at episode 5330, but actually had the rights up until episode 5375) This was becuase there was a big storyline coming up and the Beeb didnt want to give it big exposure on BBC1 as they were about to lose it.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...ramming-budget
C4 lost 10% of it's16-34 audiernce last year (I think we know where) so are boosting their budget by £50m this year to £450m (must say I thought their budget was £500m anyway, but only £400m was spent last year - and it showed!). That article labels New Girl as an out and out flop - and we all know that is purely down to scheduling. Hopefully that extra £50m is put towards the sort of shows we've been talking about here - considering Revenge and Person of Interest are yet to find a home I'm sure they could be picked up relatively cheaply - the original C4 Glee deal was £100k an episode, so I'd have thought they could get these around the same price, which out of an extra £50m is small change really.”
“http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...ramming-budget
C4 lost 10% of it's16-34 audiernce last year (I think we know where) so are boosting their budget by £50m this year to £450m (must say I thought their budget was £500m anyway, but only £400m was spent last year - and it showed!). That article labels New Girl as an out and out flop - and we all know that is purely down to scheduling. Hopefully that extra £50m is put towards the sort of shows we've been talking about here - considering Revenge and Person of Interest are yet to find a home I'm sure they could be picked up relatively cheaply - the original C4 Glee deal was £100k an episode, so I'd have thought they could get these around the same price, which out of an extra £50m is small change really.”
Good to see Channel 4 increase their budget significantly. Increasing the programming budget is the best way (and I think only way, really) for a commercial broadcaster to halt a ratings decline these days and get figures back up. They really need to sort out Friday nights which used to be so strong for them. I'd like to see a normal comedy based on 20 or 30 year olds which isn't niche, worthy or quirky. They've got plenty of niche, worthy or quirky scripted stuff already (which is absolutely fine), but what they need is a mainstream scripted hit which can run for at least 8 episodes per year. Same goes for drama, Shameless is rating poorly this series, especially when you consider there's no E4 first-look anymore, so they need to get a drama series coming through soon getting 2m week-in-week-out. I think Fresh Meat has potential to grow next series but they'll need others in addition to that. I'd love to see The Big Bang Theory on C4 Friday nights at 9pm, I'm convinced new episodes of it would get at least 2m, if not touching 3m, though I do appreciate from a financial view-point it might be better for them keeping it on E4 so the rights are cheaper. Revenge is a good idea (not for Friday nights, but another night) - haven't seen it, but from what I've read, it sounds like the kind of American import which could rate well. Homeland, which they've already got the rights to, is brilliant but I can't see that rating particularly well unfortunately.
Originally Posted by Hollywood1989:
“Tis true - the BBC had a meeting with Grundy Television every 6months to discuss future storylines.
CH5 contribute 60% of production costs for Home and Away in exchange for life-time UK rights and the european premiere (something RTE held for years and they even took CH5 to court over it)
CH5 do not have a say in production with Neighbours at the moment ( which is why the show changed dramatically when the BBC lost it (as they had alot of input)”
“Tis true - the BBC had a meeting with Grundy Television every 6months to discuss future storylines.
CH5 contribute 60% of production costs for Home and Away in exchange for life-time UK rights and the european premiere (something RTE held for years and they even took CH5 to court over it)
CH5 do not have a say in production with Neighbours at the moment ( which is why the show changed dramatically when the BBC lost it (as they had alot of input)”
1. The original deal was £40m for 5 years. The second deal was 60% of production costs for a further 3 years. The current deal is FULL COST of production for LIFETIME rights.
2. That case was dropped by RTE after it came to light that RTE didn't have european premiere rights anymore, hence how Channel 5 got the eurpean premiere rights in the first place.
3. Greg Barnet, the commissioner for soaps and daytime at Channel 5 is the person who currently has meetings with Fremantle Media Australia. Are you forgetting the Royal Wedding scene from last year?
Originally Posted by Hollywood1989:
“The reason that happended was because the BBC actually gave up Neighbours earlier than planned (they ended at episode 5330, but actually had the rights up until episode 5375) This was becuase there was a big storyline coming up and the Beeb didnt want to give it big exposure on BBC1 as they were about to lose it.”
“The reason that happended was because the BBC actually gave up Neighbours earlier than planned (they ended at episode 5330, but actually had the rights up until episode 5375) This was becuase there was a big storyline coming up and the Beeb didnt want to give it big exposure on BBC1 as they were about to lose it.”
The BBC had it up to 5330 because that was the 2007 season finale in Australia. The BBC initially bought it season by season (as shown in Australia) which in later years was done at a pace of 2 or 3 seasons at a time.
Originally Posted by myscrapbook2011:
“1. The original deal was £40m for 5 years. The second deal was 60% of production costs for a further 3 years. The current deal is FULL COST of production for LIFETIME rights.
2. That case was dropped by RTE after it came to light that RTE didn't have european premiere rights anymore, hence how Channel 5 got the eurpean premiere rights in the first place.
The BBC had it up to 5330 because that was the 2007 season finale in Australia. The BBC initially bought it season by season (as shown in Australia) which in later years was done at a pace of 2 or 3 seasons at a time.”
“1. The original deal was £40m for 5 years. The second deal was 60% of production costs for a further 3 years. The current deal is FULL COST of production for LIFETIME rights.
2. That case was dropped by RTE after it came to light that RTE didn't have european premiere rights anymore, hence how Channel 5 got the eurpean premiere rights in the first place.
The BBC had it up to 5330 because that was the 2007 season finale in Australia. The BBC initially bought it season by season (as shown in Australia) which in later years was done at a pace of 2 or 3 seasons at a time.”
episode 5330 was not the 2007 season finale. it was 5365 - 'the dance party disaster' Broadcast in Aus 14th December 2007, Broadcast on CH5 in April 2008, if you dont believe me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy8YDLk-rsM
ITV has rescheduled The Talent Show Story from its current 8pm hour slot to 10pm. It means their Saturday 4th February lineup is set to be:
18.15- You've Been Framed
19.15- Harry Hill's TV Burp (new)
19.45- Take Me Out
21.00- The Jonathan Ross Show
22.00- The Talent Show Story
The Jonathan Ross Show that week has David Beckham, Keira Knightley & Kevin Bridges as the guests. So in theory, you'd think that episode of the JR show will rate better than the 2.4-3m it's been getting the last few weeks.
18.15- You've Been Framed
19.15- Harry Hill's TV Burp (new)
19.45- Take Me Out
21.00- The Jonathan Ross Show
22.00- The Talent Show Story
The Jonathan Ross Show that week has David Beckham, Keira Knightley & Kevin Bridges as the guests. So in theory, you'd think that episode of the JR show will rate better than the 2.4-3m it's been getting the last few weeks.
Originally Posted by myscrapbook2011:
“1. The original deal was £40m for 5 years. The second deal was 60% of production costs for a further 3 years. The current deal is FULL COST of production for LIFETIME rights.
2. That case was dropped by RTE after it came to light that RTE didn't have european premiere rights anymore, hence how Channel 5 got the eurpean premiere rights in the first place.
3. Greg Barnet, the commissioner for soaps and daytime at Channel 5 is the person who currently has meetings with Fremantle Media Australia. Are you forgetting the Royal Wedding scene from last year?
The BBC had it up to 5330 because that was the 2007 season finale in Australia. The BBC initially bought it season by season (as shown in Australia) which in later years was done at a pace of 2 or 3 seasons at a time.”
“1. The original deal was £40m for 5 years. The second deal was 60% of production costs for a further 3 years. The current deal is FULL COST of production for LIFETIME rights.
2. That case was dropped by RTE after it came to light that RTE didn't have european premiere rights anymore, hence how Channel 5 got the eurpean premiere rights in the first place.
3. Greg Barnet, the commissioner for soaps and daytime at Channel 5 is the person who currently has meetings with Fremantle Media Australia. Are you forgetting the Royal Wedding scene from last year?
The BBC had it up to 5330 because that was the 2007 season finale in Australia. The BBC initially bought it season by season (as shown in Australia) which in later years was done at a pace of 2 or 3 seasons at a time.”
BIB - That was done at the request of Channel 5 - they do not have the same input as the BBC did.
Originally Posted by Hollywood1989:
“episode 5330 was not the 2007 season finale. it was 5365 - 'the dance party disaster' Broadcast in Aus 14th December 2007, Broadcast on CH5 in April 2008, if you dont believe me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy8YDLk-rsM”
“episode 5330 was not the 2007 season finale. it was 5365 - 'the dance party disaster' Broadcast in Aus 14th December 2007, Broadcast on CH5 in April 2008, if you dont believe me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy8YDLk-rsM”
I conceed you are correct..... My apologies.....
It's unusual for Channel 10 to show an episode ending in "5" as a season finale rather than one ending in "0".....
Originally Posted by Hollywood1989:
“BIB - That was done at the request of Channel 5 - they do not have the same input as the BBC did.”
“BIB - That was done at the request of Channel 5 - they do not have the same input as the BBC did.”
They have requested other storylines for Neighbours.....
Originally Posted by myscrapbook2011:
“They have requested other storylines for Neighbours.....”
“They have requested other storylines for Neighbours.....”
Yes, but there is a big difference - as part of the BBC's carriage deal, They had 40% say in what was happening in Neighbours - I can confirm this is not the case with CH5, sure they can request storylines and hope Fremantle agree but they dont have to, that is why Neighbours changed BIGTIME when it moved to Five.
Originally Posted by Hollywood1989:
“Yes, but there is a big difference - as part of the BBC's carriage deal, They had 40% say in what was happening in Neighbours - I can confirm this is not the case with CH5, sure they can request storylines and hope Fremantle agree but they dont have to, that is why Neighbours changed BIGTIME when it moved to Five.”
“Yes, but there is a big difference - as part of the BBC's carriage deal, They had 40% say in what was happening in Neighbours - I can confirm this is not the case with CH5, sure they can request storylines and hope Fremantle agree but they dont have to, that is why Neighbours changed BIGTIME when it moved to Five.”
You are only partially correct. The BBC's carriage deal required a 50-50 say, however the BBC didn't always excercise it. Sometimes they did, hence the domestic violence week in Neighbours / Doctors.
The Channel 5 deal gives them rights to peruse storylines BEFORE they go into production and add any changes they see fit..... Channel 5 don't really utilise this right as they feel comfortable with Fremantle producing it.
As for changing BIG TIME, other than hiring better cast and being made in native HD please tell me what's changed?
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