Of course it is. You are missing my point. It's "bad enough" having me around yet he'll quite happily reproduce the data I post? It's that total lack of respect for a fellow poster which is more damaging to the thread than anything anybody has accused me of.

Dancc, may I have your permission, to use your data, with DAILY credits to you, on my blog from Monday?

They said a documentary will be on BBC One in March.


Bump NTA's up 1.5m and CBB down 0.5m (and a million in 16-34) and you're about there.


I agree that credit should be given to be honest, I'm not saying that, but tons of journalists probably take information from this thread without giving credit.

You are more than welcome to use any data that I post, and no need to credit me. It's just numbers after all. But do note that I don't get a regular supply of data unfortunately so I wouldn't be a very good primary source for your blog.

It was one deal because the UK rights to the first five years' worth of episodes were offered to the BBC as one deal. Whatever negotiating needed to be done between or on behalf of 7 and Grundy was done BEFORE the BBC were offered the rights to the first five years' worth of episodes on one deal.

This was well documented in the press at the time, and your refusal to accept the fact changes nothing.

In order to prevent this thread being derailed further, I'll make (and read) no more posts about it.

I think I'll leave them how they are thank you. CBB skews younger than NTA so..... Yeah, they're about right.....


Thank you, Can you PM me your e-mail so I can contact you when I need any particular data?

Never been hostile in my life but sadly you can't take a joke from anyone about your love of C5, seeing it as being hugely offensive . It's really not meant to be.

Anyway wasn't comparing - just saying they both get accurate ratings out into the public domain.

And that Twitter account, although only going for less than a month, already has over 650 followers, many of whom are in the industry - head of scheduling Sky1, 2 5live presenters, deputy editor of OK!, Endemol employee, Discovery employee, Heidi Thomas (creator of Call the Midwife), Director of Comms at ITV and BBC, owner of Holy Moly, BBC correspondent Nick Higham, editor of TV Choice, Marketing Manager of BBC2, Toby Earle, Boyd Hilton, many, many other BBC/ITV/Sky employees, Kevin O'Sullivan etc etc.

So quite frankly I think it's good that these ratings are getting out there. Clearly it's old news for you being a ratings nut, but not for many other people. I'd love it to be more up to date, but sadly having a full time job just doesn't allow for me tweeting ratings at 9.45 every morning.

As for giving credit, I won't if they're just overnights, which can be just copied and pasted into this forum. However if someone has put in effort to work out averages etc i absolutely will give credit. Only 140 characters though.

As for not being impartial, Twitter is full of cherry picked ratings from the BBC/ITV and especially Sky. My feed is a whole lot more impartial than most.

Source?

Not sure but Dr Who appears to be back.

I'll probably get attacked for asking this but has Channel 5 won a NTA or more importantly a BAFTA for anything in the last 15 years? Nothing springs to mind but perhaps some of their factual content from the Five years got recognised, or perhaps sports or news output.

Not that I know of, but you don't need awards to justify quality.....

If you had sat through the episode of Family Affairs where Chloe Costello came clean about her being a victim of sexual abuse you'd know what powerful stuff Channel 5 can do.....

2.4m out of 2.9m is an 83% skew, shows very rarely get that in the 16-34 range.


And using 'source' as a reply to a long time well established member isn't a good idea when they know what they are talking about and likely have sources (non public) of their own.

It's not hard is it? You butter these people up by following them and taking an interest and 9 times out of 10 they'll probably hit the follow button back. It's kinda how social networking works!

Fair play to you. I didn't say there wasn't a place for it, just that it wasn't for me as it doesn't offer anything you can't get better elsewhere.

I can take a joke, but your sense of humour appears to be a special brand easily confused with nasty jibes. Perhaps we should just stick to the numbers, eh?

IIRC, CBB usually has a 16-34 skew of about 30-35%. No programmes ever gets 83% 16-34 skews, that would be quite remarkable!

Well most of those quoted I don't follow, or wasn't following before, and have never tweeted, they just followed of there own accord, which rather surprised me.

Anyway time to stick to the numbers as you say, this isn't what this thread is for.

Just a couple of points

1 – This 'channel snobs' label somewhat defeats the point you're trying to make.
2 – I think that bemoaning those who blindly defend the BBC or ITV whilst labelling anyone who has anything remotely negative to say about Five a 'channel snob' is more than a little bit hypocritical.

It should also be noted that Five have no one but themselves to blame for their reputation. When you give huge promotional pushes to 'celebrity' driven tat and not interesting and well produced factual shows and invest nothing in original British drama or comedy you foster a rather specific reputation for yourself.


I'm really not convinced you're the best person to be demanding someone posts a source.

I'm entitled to speak how I want as long as I'm not on the personal attack, if you don't like it, don't read my posts.


1. It makes my point clearly. Channel snobs are those that paint channels as perfect. I have criticised Channel 5 on a number of occasions when they've got it wrong - inc the Live Feed issue.
2. How many of those I've outed as Channel Snobs have even watched beyond Channel Snore?
3. I'm not really convinced any FM is in a position to state what I can and can't say in a question or how long it should be.
4. If I was demanding it would be "AND YOUR NON EXISTANT SOURCE IS?????" not "Source?".....

The Nicola McLean eviction interview on CBB is car crash telly (in a good way for Channel 5, in a very bad way for Nicola).

Rather tense in here today, isn't it?

Bad night on the roads, then. Bruce Forsyth tried to present an award on ITV1. 'Twas messy.

Every time I see him these days I think he could be a good choice to host The Brits. He'd fit right in!

ITV will no doubt have a warm feeling from tonights NTA's with a number of their important shows and stars getting gongs on a live broadcast on their own channel.
And to top it off Coronation Street beating Eastenders -is there a live telephone vote on the soaps every year?-presumably C/S strong Monday shows have driven votes their way tonight.

If TOWIE can win a BAFTA, I don't think we can complain about its stars appearing on BBC1...!

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Your definition of 'channel snob' is interesting for a couple of reasons. Firstly because I've yet to see anyone here who actually fits that description. Certainly there are those who have an obvious preference for BBC1 or ITV1 (or even Five) but much like you they all post at least token criticism of their preferred channel every now and then. The second reason I find your definition interesting is that you weren't using channel snob in that context – you weren't labelling someone a channel snob for for defending BBC1 or ITV1 but rather for criticising Five. Ironically the only person displaying any channel snobbery was you the person throwing the phrase around like its going out of fashion.


Again it is astonishingly hypocritical of you to try and preach about channel snobbery whilst making posts like this.


I've not told you what you can and cannot post nor have I told you how long your posts should or shouldn't be. I've simply highlighted what I see as a staggering hypocrisy and a blindingly obvious double standard within your posts.


Allow me to rephrase then.

After your performance earlier today requesting, asking or demanding that someone else post a source is really not advisable.

It was just car crash telly period. They must must must sort out this debacle with the crowd for the next series. We do actually want to hear what the evictee has to say when they come out, even if they aren't nice people. Evictions should have more of a feel good atmosphere if they want the casuals back. Villain of the week has been done to death.

At least the weakest episode for quite a few nights went out tonight which was probably always going to be the lowest rated of the week anyway.

The live vote tends to change each year - it was entertainment programme last year. Although the year before it was soaps and Corrie won as well. I suspect you may be right - Becky's exit will have helped them a great deal tonight. I'm glad for them - they don't tend to dominate the awards like EastEnders do but I think they deserved that one tonight.