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Old 24-10-2004, 11:38
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Does no one think G4 is going to get very old very quick. There is a reason that opera is subsidized as heavly as it is.
People think it's artistic and worthy but no one wants to hear it. Occasionaly an opera style singer will get in the charts but if people were really that interested Pavarotti would be in the charts more often.
G4 is a novelty band they may get a christmas no1. but after that unless they can seriously modify there style they are not going to last.

So not to end on a negative note, they can sing and if they can tone down there over trained voices they could find a niche. Though I've seen many singers imitate opera style I've seen few opera singers that could go in the other direction.
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Old 24-10-2004, 16:38
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Well I've heard Jonathan singing for a few years now and I'm not bored of him
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Old 24-10-2004, 16:40
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How many Opera singers have had a long successful career in the POP charts?
Being accepted by a small minority of the population is not going to them far in the real world.
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Old 24-10-2004, 16:42
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why does everyone need to be catergorised, can't music just be music
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Old 24-10-2004, 16:45
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We don't need to catogorise, it's what in the long run will sell.
G4 won't sell.

They won't sell because of the style they sing in simple as that
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Old 24-10-2004, 16:47
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Time will tell
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Old 24-10-2004, 16:48
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Originally Posted by emzy.c.
Time will tell
Very wize, try this one we learn from history
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Old 24-10-2004, 16:48
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Well vote for your your top 8, put G4 no.1 or no.8 on Poll: Your Top 8!
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Old 24-10-2004, 16:51
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Originally Posted by whip
Very wize, try this one we learn from history
You can't say that, every act is different, what works for someone might not work for another and vice versa
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Old 24-10-2004, 16:59
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Originally Posted by emzy.c.
You can't say that, every act is different, what works for someone might not work for another and vice versa
Yes but the (sorry to catagorise but it's easier than doing a full description of what everyone knows what it sounds like) Opera sound has been around along time now if it's not got popular by now it never will.
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Old 24-10-2004, 17:06
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Originally Posted by whip
People think it's artistic and worthy but no one wants to hear it.
I'm sorry but that is one of the most ridiculously generalised and narrow-minded comments I have heard in a long time.

Have you any clue about opera? Really? Have you ever even given it a chance? Do you have any idea how many people train each year to become opera singers? Or for how many people it is a passion? You talk as thought it's unpopular nationwide, which it absolutely isn't.

Opinion is one thing, and I am happy to respect yours, but you can't expect people to take an ignorant comment like that seriously.

As for G4 not lasting, I have no doubts that they will last, although no, probably not in the pop charts. But there is a classical chart too, you know....

I wouldn't mind betting that these guys want to eventually be opera singers anyway.
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Old 24-10-2004, 17:10
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Originally Posted by whip
Opera sound has been around along time now if it's not got popular by now it never will.
Lol yes, far longer than pop, jazz, rock, indie, C & W etc... Not popular? Just a little ironic, don't you think?
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Old 24-10-2004, 17:14
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Originally Posted by Spellbound
I'm sorry but that is one of the most ridiculously generalised and narrow-minded comments I have heard in a long time.

Have you any clue about opera? Really? Have you ever even given it a chance? Do you have any idea how many people train each year to become opera singers? Or for how many people it is a passion? You talk as thought it's unpopular nationwide, which it absolutely isn't.

Opinion is one thing, and I am happy to respect yours, but you can't expect people to take an ignorant comment like that seriously.

As for G4 not lasting, I have no doubts that they will last, although no, probably not in the pop charts. But there is a classical chart too, you know....

I wouldn't mind betting that these guys want to eventually be opera singers anyway.
I am sorry to upset you but it is unpopular nationwide, if it wasn't it would be self funding. Without goverment money the vast majority of opera would dissapear.
Oh and I've been to quite a few colleges of Music and drama very few do coarses in opera.
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Old 24-10-2004, 17:15
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Originally Posted by Spellbound
Lol yes, far longer than pop, jazz, rock, indie, C & W etc... Not popular? Just a little ironic, don't you think?
not really so has morris dancing. The only difference is morris dancing isn't paid for by goverment money
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Old 24-10-2004, 17:15
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Originally Posted by Spellbound
Lol yes, far longer than pop, jazz, rock, indie, C & W etc... Not popular? Just a little ironic, don't you think?
Isn't that a bit like saying the Theory of Gravity has been around longer that the Theory of Relativity? Does it make any one theory more or less popular than the other in modern science?
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Old 24-10-2004, 17:16
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Originally Posted by whip
I am sorry to upset you but it is unpopular nationwide, if it wasn't it would be self funding. Without goverment money the vast majority of opera would dissapear.
Oh and I've been to quite a few colleges of Music and drama very few do coarses in opera.
Very good point, whip.
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Old 24-10-2004, 17:34
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Originally Posted by whip
I am sorry to upset you but it is unpopular nationwide, if it wasn't it would be self funding. Without goverment money the vast majority of opera would dissapear.
Oh and I've been to quite a few colleges of Music and drama very few do coarses in opera.
Very few do "coarses" in spelling by the looks of it.
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Old 24-10-2004, 17:38
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Originally Posted by Benc533
Very few do "coarses" in spelling by the looks of it.
Warning, warning...pedant alert, pedant alert

It's a very common typo mistake when processing homophones quickly.

Question to the spelling and grammar police of these threads....why, oh why do you feel the 'urge' and the literary duty to be a 'corrector'?
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Old 24-10-2004, 17:39
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Lol don't worry, I'm not upset, I just think you underestimate how many people actually like opera. It IS Government funded, but not solely. Other sources of income come from supporters of each individual company. Ok, so it's not as popular as other genres of music, but is that a reason to dismiss G4? And the fact is, it is classical music provided the foundation for the modern music we enjoy today.

I suppose it's a bit like literature, reading a novel/listening to pop gives you an instant feeling of gratification, reading literature/listening to classical takes more effort and time, but so much more can be gained from it in the long run.

The RCM, Guildhall and NOS are all well known for training in the voice. They are the main places where people want to study, and they accept only the very good.

Poor old G4 eh, they have taken a bit of a bashing on this board. As I said I have no objection to their style not being to someone's taste, but I think it's very unjust to refer to such a talented and obviously hard working group as 'rubbish' just because they are not to a person's taste.

Maybe what they will achieve is introducing opera to people who otherwise may never have known they liked it, maybe it will just be a fun way for them to make money before they develop into opera singers. Either way, I (and quite a few others it seems) will enjoy their performances on the show.
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Old 24-10-2004, 17:40
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Roberta went out. Everone thought Tabby would go!
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Old 24-10-2004, 17:41
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Opera is good, but it doesn't appeal to teenagers and they buy most records.
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Old 24-10-2004, 17:44
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Originally Posted by Spellbound
Lol yes, far longer than pop, jazz, rock, indie, C & W etc... Not popular? Just a little ironic, don't you think?
Err.....how is it possible for recent genres of music to last longer than a form of music that was conceived hundreds of years before them?
Do you not think your criteria is somewhat unfair?

"Opera has lasted longer than rap"

No shit? you don't say? That comes as a big surprise to me.
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Old 24-10-2004, 17:47
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Originally Posted by Spellbound
I suppose it's a bit like literature, reading a novel/listening to pop gives you an instant feeling of gratification, reading literature/listening to classical takes more effort and time, but so much more can be gained from it in the long run.
Spell, you seem like a nice person, but can you see how this may seem snobbish in anyway?

I studied literature at university (a wide range, mostly English and Scottish) and I can tell you that as much as Jane Eyre was fantastic and I loved it, or that The Pilgrim's Progress was wonderful, or that Shakespeare and Robert Burns are amazing...I thoroughly enjoyed the DaVinci Code, like many other people have. Great storyteller...crap prose.

People like what they like. I can get just as much out of Kate Bush as I do Kylie - it's all different. It's not all instant either. Didn't take me that long to get something out of the 'literature' as opposed to the pop novels we get.

One genre is not better than the other, in my book. I may be wrong but that looks like what you're suggesting. Soz if I've miscontrued your post
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Old 24-10-2004, 17:59
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I think opera has to set certain standards and especially when youngsters today are so fickle and demanding. I'm 12 but I appreciate the dramatic and artful quality that only opera gyrates
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Old 24-10-2004, 18:09
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Originally Posted by Alrightmate
Do you not think your criteria is somewhat unfair?
Yes, I do but no more unfair than some of the comments you have made (with respect, not trying to start a fight!)

I was purely making the point that opera has stood the test of time, which wouldn't have happened if it was as unpopular as you suggest.

So much of this is down to personal preferences and opinion that it gets hard to see the wood for the trees. In G4, you see a group of smug, self-satisfied blokes who do not express any emotion when they perform. I, on the other hand, found their performances sensitive and moving, combined with expression and marvelous vocal technique.

When I made my comment about G4 putting a different slant of classic songs, I was not suggesting that barbershop is new, or unique. Just look at 'The Kings' But you must admit, it is new to hear Everybody Hurts sung in this style, whether you like it or hate it. Many people wont be familiar with barbershop, so for them, it will be both new AND unique. Certainly more so than some of the other acts on X Factor.

I also would say that G4 have demonstrated their creative ability by managing to produce that arrangement of Creep in such a short time. It is not true, however, to say that singers must be able to compose or they don't have true talent. I would agree in the case of 'artists' such as Victoria Beckham but where does that leave Maria Callas, Pavarotti and the like, and indeed those songwriters who cannot sing a note. Not talented?

Finally, I am finding it hard to keep up with the many G4 threads, so may have replied to various bits of different posts here, so appologies. Forgive me, I am blonde
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