So on the things that count, screen, CPU, GPU and RAM, the nexus wins 3 out of 4. That makes it far superior.

As for the camera, just because a device has a pixel count, doesnt mean it takes better quality pictures.

We both however, digress. This thread isnt the place to compare these two phones.

They certainly do that .... A replacement USB charger (cable not included)??

£26 to you sir.

Classic schoolboy error, comparing CPUs. 1.2 vs 0.8 is a meaningless statistic. You have to take into account that IOS and the CPU are co-engineered by the same company to be finely tuned and optimised in a way that Android can never be (except with future Motorola/Google phones possibly - but Google are not dedicated to the task of the best end user hardware experience).

That's ironic. Two years ago it was the Apple fanboys (me included) saying that in relation to the 3GS against Android phones.

Your main point I believe was that without Steve Jobs Apple is dead.
Well to answer this question and the OP at the same time, the reason why iDevices are actually good value for money despite the high profit margin is that Apple have done an excellent job at securing parts in advance at very low cost. This means that they can produce something which has a retail price no more than competitive products containing similar components and yet still take a high profit. If you don't believe this then tell me why no other manufacturers have yet come out with a similar spec to the iPad at a greatly reduced price. Personally, I don't begrudge Apple their profit margin when I buy their products, it ensures great products in the future.
The reason why Steve Jobs is not relevant to this is that there is one person above all others who has been responsible for driving this profit margin and that is Tim Cooke, who is on board until I believe 2021 if he wants to cash in his shares.

Quite, it's not important how much power you have, it's how you use it. That's why the iOS and also WP7 ways are better in this respect.

You're a couple of schoolboys ICS was designed with the nexus in mind so if any phone and os are best paired then its these two. Unlike iOS that has to cater for models many years old

As for the nexus gpu it is NOT the same as the s1 and was designed as the one in the GS2 can't handle NFC (which will obviously be the next thing apple "invent"). Its the gpu version of a BMW 320. Same name but actual models change. I will agree though that in some aspects its not as quick on paper as the S2 GPU.

Still..... when released the nexus was the highest benchmarking phone for browser use ...

Great products built in awful conditions by low paid workers that are prone to suicide ..... sadly your apple money doesn't go to happy factory workers who high five each other on completion of every iproduct ..... they build cheap and market well so they can afford to sell expensive whatta company!

They have also only just started allowing charitable corporate donations (since jobs went) that most companies have been doing for decades .....

Gates vows to spend all his money eradicating malaria .... jobs vows to spend his money destroying android .....

Proud to use apple , eh?

Corporates lost almost all integrity years ago so its difficult to only blame Apple for awful work practices.
What I do find sinister is watering down of responsibility via those 'Apple supplier audits'. It feels far more a PR exercise than any wish to improve a worker's lot.
"Not me gov" and "Here it is you lot, don't bother us again" spring to mind.

Yes and every other Android phone has a bad luck, because nobody had in mind that one. WP7 phones run very fast even with only one processor. Fragmentation of Android and that it runs just on any hardware is what is letting it down. If there's just one and optimised version of an OS and a minimum required hardware configuration, it guarantees a good performance of such a phone.

well it doesnt exactly guarantee good performance does it .... google iphone problems .... theres plenty of stuff out there

i carefully weighed up (lots of) options when buying my phone. its what suits ME best ..... i would never dream of buying a product just because of the make ..... that concept is just scary !! (and a little sad )

I assume on the same basis you boycott Amazon, HP and Dell to name but a few.

I do hope they don't wriggle out of paying the correct taxes.

No neither would I. I buy Apple not because of a logo but because they make products that are powerful yet easy to use. And by powerful I am not talking about hardware, but about the whole ecosystem that provides added value left right and centre.

Are you suggesting margins on Macs are between 50-75%? Really?

Outside of the UK, the GS2 has NFC. It's only the UK version that doesn't.

such debate over simple facts ... the 4s is lower spec in its components than the s2/nexus etc and cheaper to produce.

yet people will pay far more and apple know it £600 for a 64gb crazy but all this = huge profits.

can't really blame apple .. to be able to sell a product that is technically inferior for more money than its rivals is good business. surprising but it does show the power of brand marketing on the masses.

It's not technically inferior though, the display has higher ppi and is brighter. Also it's far more capable in games as it has better graphics capabilities.

The OS has more features too IMO such as backing up all my data to the cloud every night and wirelessly sharing pictures between it and my computer, if I lost my phone today I would be able to restore a new one to the state my phone was at less than 24 hours ago, all this with little to no effort.

Uhm..no and no. i have just now a 4S while my broken S2 goes for repair and the screen is not brighter! The screen is actually far worse. Colours on the 4S are absolutely awful. I doubt the better graphics capabilities as well. I play coin Dozer on my S2 and its fine. Seems to lag like hell on this 4S for some reason.


My S2 can backup to anywhere i choose at anytime i want without me touching it. My S2 can also share wirelessly to my computer with absolute ease, and it can infact share via DNLA to my telly or any DNLA compatible device. The 4S cant. If i lost my phone i could have mine restored to exactly where it was with all my apps in less than 5 mins.

I also cant find out how to share my pics wirelessly on this 4S yet whereas on my S2 i simply press an icon in the menu....

Basically there is nothing the 4S can do the S2 cant.

What is it with these fanboy threads that brings out the worse in people? You pays yer money and you make your choice - simple as that. There is really no need for the 'mines bigger then yours' nonsense we get every time.

I would agree with you in theory, in practice this is not the case. You have to remember each manufacturer puts their own 'skin' on top of android. This skin will be optimised for the phone they are putting it on. This would be true for flagship phones and phones that have a new version of Android like the Nexus. So in real life, there 0.4MHz is a genuine difference. I doubt iOS can make up the gap. Its also worth noting, that the Nexus is faster in benchmark tests.


The statement is true, however in not all cases. Each phones camera needs to be examined on an individual bases. I fail to see the irony in the statement.


Tim Cooke may drive the profit margin. However he has to have products that will sell. Saying Jobs is not relevant, shows a lack of how business works. No matter how good Cooke is at achieving high profit margins, he cant do anything if he doesnt have products to sell. Jobs was the lead man behind products. No Jobs means products that arent as good. The change in products wont be noticed for a couple of years yet. As I bet they have a few products in the 'assembly' line that Jobs had input to. It will happen though.

FFS why does EVERY Apple topic end up like this. It gets really tedious. It's only a bloody phone or tablet or mp3 player or computer. If you like it, buy it, if you don't, don't. Lots of other companies make big profits on big markups and no one bats an eyelid.

What happens if you have no wireless connection? In that case its pretty useless. Imagine your on holiday, you have no wifi. You cant backup those pictures. After your 2 weeks holiday, you lose your phone. There go all your holiday pics. The cloud isnt going to help you there.

As for restoring state, this can be done on an Android device as well. With android its a lot better. It will even restore apps and their data. So you wont loose any of those stars you earned in Angry birds. . Does iOS allow you to backup your data? i.e. your game states, application settings etc? Android does.

Becuase thats life. The sky is blue, water is wet, apple threads will turn into a pissing contest. Live with it.


Why participate, or even read past the first 5 or 6 posts? It take about 5/6 posts before the pissing contest starts.


Your in trouble with the apple crowd. Its not ONLY a phone, tablet, mp3 player or computer.


Somewhat true, but not entirely. The company making the biggest profit would always get slagged off. It just happens to be Apple at the moment. In a few years time it will be someone else.

The sad thing is that Apple always had a 'holier than thou' principle ... they were the good guys and Mircrosoft was restrictive and the bad guy. Everytone had a little soft spot for them (even me!) as being the cuddly underdog.

Their problem now is that as a Company they seem to have become everything they used to hate.

THEY monopolise
THEY lock people in
THEY are the 'big player'
THEY use marketing and legal to try and control things

I just think they had an opportunity to be a great 'big company' and change the way corporate worked. Sadly (in my opinion) they have failed and suing everyone is really making them look like the Bad Guy .. exactly where Microsoft were 10 (?) years ago.