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Apple posts record £8.36bn quarterly profits
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ACU
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by Stuart_h:
“The sad thing is that Apple always had a 'holier than thou' principle ... they were the good guys and Mircrosoft was restrictive and the bad guy. Everytone had a little soft spot for them (even me!) as being the cuddly underdog.

Their problem now is that as a Company they seem to have become everything they used to hate.

THEY monopolise
THEY lock people in
THEY are the 'big player'
THEY use marketing and legal to try and control things

I just think they had an opportunity to be a great 'big company' and change the way corporate worked. Sadly (in my opinion) they have failed and suing everyone is really making them look like the Bad Guy .. exactly where Microsoft were 10 (?) years ago.”

Isnt this the case with business? The underdog starts out, and has the support of the 'public' against the giant company. Over the years the underdog becomes the giant, and does everything that the giant used to do to it, plus a lot more. This model is somewhat applicable to all business sectors, not just software. Unfortunately its how things are, there isnt much you can do about it.
alan1302
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by ACU:
“Isnt this the case with business? The underdog starts out, and has the support of the 'public' against the giant company. Over the years the underdog becomes the giant, and does everything that the giant used to do to it, plus a lot more. This model is somewhat applicable to all business sectors, not just software. Unfortunately its how things are, there isnt much you can do about it.”

I don't think Apple have changed how they work they are just more successful now...and people never like a successful company for some reason...it's odd as Microsoft seems to have more sympathy than before now Apple has become more popular than it was.
swordman
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“It's not technically inferior though, the display has higher ppi and is brighter. Also it's far more capable in games as it has better graphics capabilities.

The OS has more features too IMO such as backing up all my data to the cloud every night and wirelessly sharing pictures between it and my computer, if I lost my phone today I would be able to restore a new one to the state my phone was at less than 24 hours ago, all this with little to no effort.”

no it is inferior the 3.5 lcd 4s display is technically inferior to the 4.3 oled s2. in almost all aspects the s2 has a higher spec.

in any event if you look at the full spec list of both phones it is clear that the s2 is a more expensive phone to manufacture but sells for less which was my point which u conveniently didn't address.
alanwarwic
27-01-2012
It is another major success for outsourcing.
Incredible as it may sound but Dell employs 50% more people than Apple
Gormond
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by ACU:
“What happens if you have no wireless connection? In that case its pretty useless. Imagine your on holiday, you have no wifi. You cant backup those pictures. After your 2 weeks holiday, you lose your phone. There go all your holiday pics. The cloud isnt going to help you there.

As for restoring state, this can be done on an Android device as well. With android its a lot better. It will even restore apps and their data. So you wont loose any of those stars you earned in Angry birds. . Does iOS allow you to backup your data? i.e. your game states, application settings etc? Android does.”

Yes iOS backs up all game states, application settings wirelessly over the cloud (and via iTunes). If I lost my phone today I would be able to buy a new one and restore everything to exactly the way it was during last nights incremental backup.

You point when your on holiday assumes the hotel your at doesn't include Wi-Fi which most do nowadays, if not just take your laptop with you.

I have friends with android phones and none of them have something that handles backups as well as apples which is provided free of charge.
Dark 1
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by swordman:
“no it is inferior the 3.5 lcd 4s display is technically inferior to the 4.3 oled s2. in almost all aspects the s2 has a higher spec.

in any event if you look at the full spec list of both phones it is clear that the s2 is a more expensive phone to manufacture but sells for less which was my point which u conveniently didn't address.”

Really? I've always found the Galaxy S2 feels rather cheap and flimsy compared to an iPhone.

You're not one of those types who thinks bullet point spec numbers are a sole measure of cost and value, are you?
Gormond
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by swordman:
“no it is inferior the 3.5 lcd 4s display is technically inferior to the 4.3 oled s2. in almost all aspects the s2 has a higher spec”

Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Uhm..no and no. i have just now a 4S while my broken S2 goes for repair and the screen is not brighter! The screen is actually far worse. Colours on the 4S are absolutely awful. I doubt the better graphics capabilities as well. I play coin Dozer on my S2 and its fine. Seems to lag like hell on this 4S for some reason.”

Let's review actual numbers then.

Display Subpixel Angular Subtense lower is better, human eye ~1 arcmin)
iPhone 4S - X = 0.290, Y = 0.869
Galaxy Nexus - X = 0.454, Y = 0.907
Galaxy S2 - X = 0.440, Y = 1.320

Brightness (white - higher is better)
iPhone 4S - 571 nits
Galaxy Nexus - 204.7 nits
Galaxy S2 - 301 nits

The iPhone 4S clearly wins on the display task going by the numbers, now for graphics benchmarks:

GLBenchmark 2.1 - Egypt (higher is better)
iPhone 4S - 73fps
Galaxy Nexus - 28.7fps
Galaxy S2 - 42.5fps

GLBenchmark 2.1 - Pro (higher is better)
iPhone 4S - 123.1fps
Galaxy Nexus - 41.2fps
Galaxy S2 - 67.1fps

Again the iPhone 4S clearly wins on graphic benchmarks which is why there is so many high end great looking iOS games.
Roush
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by ACU:
“As for restoring state, this can be done on an Android device as well. With android its a lot better. It will even restore apps and their data. So you wont loose any of those stars you earned in Angry birds. . Does iOS allow you to backup your data? i.e. your game states, application settings etc? Android does.”

Err, iOS did this before Android did... iPhone backup & restore has always fully captured all user and app data. Google didn't introduce a properly featured backup solution into Android until 2.0, late in 2009.
Gormond
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by Dark 1:
“Really? I've always found the Galaxy S2 feels rather cheap and flimsy compared to an iPhone.

You're not one of those types who thinks bullet point spec numbers are a sole measure of cost and value, are you?”

I agree the plastic feels really cheap, no where near as good as what Nokia use on the Lumia.
Stiggles
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“Let's review actual numbers then.

Display Subpixel Angular Subtense lower is better, human eye ~1 arcmin)
iPhone 4S - X = 0.290, Y = 0.869
Galaxy Nexus - X = 0.454, Y = 0.907
Galaxy S2 - X = 0.440, Y = 1.320

Brightness (white - higher is better)
iPhone 4S - 571 nits
Galaxy Nexus - 204.7 nits
Galaxy S2 - 301 nits

The iPhone 4S clearly wins on the display task going by the numbers, now for graphics benchmarks:”

Yeeeeeees, but those numbers are only relevant when the screen brightness is at its fullest which no one does. Colours are what the issue is on the iphone.

Quote:
“GLBenchmark 2.1 - Egypt (higher is better)
iPhone 4S - 73fps
Galaxy Nexus - 28.7fps
Galaxy S2 - 42.5fps

GLBenchmark 2.1 - Pro (higher is better)
iPhone 4S - 123.1fps
Galaxy Nexus - 41.2fps
Galaxy S2 - 67.1fps

Again the iPhone 4S clearly wins on graphic benchmarks which is why there is so many high end great looking iOS games.”

Very good. Although back in real life, benchmarks means nothing, especially on mobile phones.

The same high end games run on Android as well in an identical fashion a la GTAIII. Also i haven't so far spotted any high end game that's not available on Android.

Anyway, having played more with this iphone 4S i can definitely say its not better than the S2. The screen, while it may have more PPI (which of course means nothing) just looks completely washed out. The device is nice and solid but the edges of the screen and back glass are a pain in the arse. Makes for very uncomfortable use.
Stiggles
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by Dark 1:
“Really? I've always found the Galaxy S2 feels rather cheap and flimsy compared to an iPhone.

You're not one of those types who thinks bullet point spec numbers are a sole measure of cost and value, are you?”

Do you ever say anything else apart from whining about 'bullet point' nonsense?.....

Anyway, having owned the iphone 4 for a few months then an S2 for almost 9 months and now have the 4S while my S2 gets fixed, the S2 does not in the slightest bit feel cheap and flimsy. There is absolutely no warping nor play in the S2. Plastic does not = cheap or flimsy. While the 4/S may feel more solid it pays that price by being heavy as hell.
Stiggles
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by Roush:
“Err, iOS did this before Android did... iPhone backup & restore has always fully captured all user and app data. Google didn't introduce a properly featured backup solution into Android until 2.0, late in 2009.”

There has been ways to back up in Android since the first ever version. Called Titanium backup.
Rich2k
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by swordman:
“no it is inferior the 3.5 lcd 4s display is technically inferior to the 4.3 oled s2. in almost all aspects the s2 has a higher spec.

in any event if you look at the full spec list of both phones it is clear that the s2 is a more expensive phone to manufacture but sells for less which was my point which u conveniently didn't address.”

I've seen people with these 4.3" screens around, IMHO they look ridiculous. They may as well be a tablet not a phone.

3.5" is a perfect size for controlling the device with one hand
Gormond
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“While the 4/S may feel more solid it pays that price by being heavy as hell.”

Are you serious, it's about 25g heavier than the S2... I have used my iPhone for hours and 140g has no affect on my arms what so ever.
Gormond
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by Rich2k:
“I've seen people with these 4.3" screens around, IMHO they look ridiculous. They may as well be a tablet not a phone.

3.5" is a perfect size for controlling the device with one hand”

Screen size is very much a personal presence, no one size is better than the other IMO.

I do like the 3.5 inch screen, but would quite like the next iPhone to bump it to 4 to allow more room for games as long as they don't increase the overall size much. The Nexus's screen is just way to big for me.
Stiggles
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“Are you serious, it's about 25g heavier than the S2... I have used my iPhone for hours and 140g has no affect on my arms what so ever.”

Yep, perfectly serious. Its not massively heavy but its noticeably heavier than the S2 which is nice and light.

I also find it uncomfortable to use with the protruding glass panels. Its not a bad phone though. Just not as good as the S2 i don't think.
Stiggles
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“Screen size is very much a personal presence, no one size is better than the other IMO.

I do like the 3.5 inch screen, but would quite like the next iPhone to bump it to 4 to allow more room for games as long as they don't increase the overall size much. The Nexus's screen is just way to big for me.”

Well to be honest, the S2 isn't that much bigger than the 4S and it can squeeze in a nice large screen so i dont think the form would be that much bigger.
paulbrock
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by Rich2k:
“3.5" is a perfect size for controlling the device with one hand”

Are you going to stick with that line when the iphone 5 has a bigger screen I wonder....
ACU
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“Yes iOS backs up all game states, application settings wirelessly over the cloud (and via iTunes). If I lost my phone today I would be able to buy a new one and restore everything to exactly the way it was during last nights incremental backup.

You point when your on holiday assumes the hotel your at doesn't include Wi-Fi which most do nowadays, if not just take your laptop with you.

I have friends with android phones and none of them have something that handles backups as well as apples which is provided free of charge.”

The backups on android are easy and well handled. Use titanium backup to back everything up. When the backup is done, titanium backup, if you allow it to, will copy your backups to your dropbox account. You can always do a nandroid backup, which will take an image of your internal ram and SD card. You can then if you wish restore these images back to your phone. Just because your friends dont use/have anything, it doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

Most hotels, not all. So your still shafted if they dont. Taking a laptop, would be a hassle, not really an option for me. Never taken my laptop on holiday.

Originally Posted by Roush:
“Err, iOS did this before Android did... iPhone backup & restore has always fully captured all user and app data. Google didn't introduce a properly featured backup solution into Android until 2.0, late in 2009.”

iOS should have done it before andriod, considering its been around for a lot longer .
alanwarwic
27-01-2012
In two years we can all look back and see the daft things that have been said here. Obviously choice in the Android market means people will buy what suits them. In the business market this could well be a 7" phone used like a desktop when docked with a montor. Those with less usage need will go smaller and maybe also the traditional route of carrying a 2nd gadget. Those thinking green will avoid the unwanted far higher radiation of metal clad phones.
ACU
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by Rich2k:
“I've seen people with these 4.3" screens around, IMHO they look ridiculous. They may as well be a tablet not a phone.

3.5" is a perfect size for controlling the device with one hand”

4.3" tablet now that does sound silly. I have a desire HD with a 4.3" screen, its ideal size. Not too big, and not too small. My brother has a iphone4, its way to small. Then thats probably because I am used to a bigger screen.

The galaxy note, now that is too big for a phone. However its sold really well, so many people dont find it too big.
Gormond
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Those thinking green will avoid the unwanted far higher radiation of metal clad phones.”

Aluminium is more green than plastic, I'm not sure I get what your saying.
Gormond
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by ACU:
“The backups on android are easy and well handled. Use titanium backup to back everything up. When the backup is done, titanium backup, if you allow it to, will copy your backups to your dropbox account. You can always do a nandroid backup, which will take an image of your internal ram and SD card. You can then if you wish restore these images back to your phone. Just because your friends dont use/have anything, it doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

Most hotels, not all. So your still shafted if they dont. Taking a laptop, would be a hassle, not really an option for me. Never taken my laptop on holiday.



iOS should have done it before andriod, considering its been around for a lot longer .”

Don't you need to root you phone to use titanium backup?

If so its hardly the same, there is no need to jail break or even install a third party app to do a cloud backup via iOS.
alanwarwic
27-01-2012
You can hold an S2 near your ear for three times longer for the same cancer/brain burn risk. The iPhone is quite close to the maximum safe radiation dose. It looks like this was obviously sacrficed for the sake of fashion.

It is high fashion so I doubt anyone is really that bothered about it.
Gormond
27-01-2012
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“You can hold an S2 near your ear for three times longer for the same cancer/brain burn risk. The iPhone is quite close to the maximum safe radiation dose.”

Is there actually any proof that radiation from phones causes cancer in the first place? Any report I have read has said that it doesn't.

Also that has nothing to do with green credentials.
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