The world is ruined by figures like these.
Apple posts record £8.36bn quarterly profits
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I'm sure there is a correlation between the heating effect and cancers or cell deaths. The iPhone has 1 watts heating whilst the S2 about 0.3 watts
http://reviews.cnet.com/2719-6602_7-291-1.html
It recommends pregnant women do not carry a phone near the abdomen whilst children are consider high risk due to thinner skulls.
It is quite a strange article in that it does not list the safest phones.
http://reviews.cnet.com/2719-6602_7-291-1.html
It recommends pregnant women do not carry a phone near the abdomen whilst children are consider high risk due to thinner skulls.
It is quite a strange article in that it does not list the safest phones.
Originally Posted by wavejockglw:
“ Apple customers should be asking themselves if they are getting value for their money from Apple products especially their computers which are between 200 and 400% more expensive than comparable spec models.”
“ Apple customers should be asking themselves if they are getting value for their money from Apple products especially their computers which are between 200 and 400% more expensive than comparable spec models.”
doubt you will find many, with the same specs as a mac, so your comment is a little harsh and unrealistic.
But there will always be a little premium with Apple products.
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Do you ever say anything else apart from whining about 'bullet point' nonsense?.....
Anyway, having owned the iphone 4 for a few months then an S2 for almost 9 months and now have the 4S while my S2 gets fixed, the S2 does not in the slightest bit feel cheap and flimsy. There is absolutely no warping nor play in the S2. Plastic does not = cheap or flimsy. While the 4/S may feel more solid it pays that price by being heavy as hell.”
“Do you ever say anything else apart from whining about 'bullet point' nonsense?.....
Anyway, having owned the iphone 4 for a few months then an S2 for almost 9 months and now have the 4S while my S2 gets fixed, the S2 does not in the slightest bit feel cheap and flimsy. There is absolutely no warping nor play in the S2. Plastic does not = cheap or flimsy. While the 4/S may feel more solid it pays that price by being heavy as hell.”
Yes I do, but I’ll keep bringing up the “bullet point nonsense” until a reasonable timeframe has expired where I don’t see another spec-obsessed internet geeks bang on about how overpriced and/or poor value Apple products are because you can get better "bullet point specs" for less from elsewhere. If that’s okay with you.
Originally Posted by Dark 1:
“Really? I've always found the Galaxy S2 feels rather cheap and flimsy compared to an iPhone.
You're not one of those types who thinks bullet point spec numbers are a sole measure of cost and value, are you?”
“Really? I've always found the Galaxy S2 feels rather cheap and flimsy compared to an iPhone.
You're not one of those types who thinks bullet point spec numbers are a sole measure of cost and value, are you?”
value is subjective ... cost are pretty much facts dont you belive in facts then?
OLED screens are more expensive to produce than LCD simple fact, given this is also a 4.3 as opposed to a 3.5 increase in costs additionally.
Things such as memory card slot, 4g cpapbility, higher spec front camera lack of volume sales compared to 4s etc etc all add to the cost of the s2.
This as I say again makes it more expensive to produce but is sold significantly cheaper.
However you seem to limit you comments to subjective reasoning which provides little validity to much you say.
Originally Posted by mikey86uk:
“doubt you will find many, with the same specs as a mac, so your comment is a little harsh and unrealistic.
But there will always be a little premium with Apple products.”
“doubt you will find many, with the same specs as a mac, so your comment is a little harsh and unrealistic.
But there will always be a little premium with Apple products.”
Maybe he's only looking at bullet point specs.
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“Don't you need to root you phone to use titanium backup?
If so its hardly the same, there is no need to jail break or even install a third party app to do a cloud backup via iOS.”
“Don't you need to root you phone to use titanium backup?
If so its hardly the same, there is no need to jail break or even install a third party app to do a cloud backup via iOS.”
Yes you need root. Which unlike, apple, android manufactures dont discourage. So its not that hard to do.
What is the cost of icloud these days? I take it you dont have to pay for icloud to carry out backups.
Originally Posted by Rich2k:
“I've seen people with these 4.3" screens around, IMHO they look ridiculous. They may as well be a tablet not a phone.
3.5" is a perfect size for controlling the device with one hand”
“I've seen people with these 4.3" screens around, IMHO they look ridiculous. They may as well be a tablet not a phone.
3.5" is a perfect size for controlling the device with one hand”
Samsung Galaxy S II – 125.3 x 66.1 x 8.5 mm
iPhone 4S – 115.2 x 58.6 x 9.3 mm
Given the relative sizes of the phones then dont you feel a bit silly hulking round a big huge phone the size of a tablet with such a tiny little screen
Originally Posted by ACU:
“Yes you need root. Which unlike, apple, android manufactures dont discourage. So its not that hard to do.
What is the cost of icloud these days? I take it you dont have to pay for icloud to carry out backups.”
“Yes you need root. Which unlike, apple, android manufactures dont discourage. So its not that hard to do.
What is the cost of icloud these days? I take it you dont have to pay for icloud to carry out backups.”
no, iCloud is free
Originally Posted by swordman:
“value is subjective ... cost are pretty much facts dont you belive in facts then?
OLED screens are more expensive to produce than LCD simple fact, given this is also a 4.3 as opposed to a 3.5 increase in costs additionally.
Things such as memory card slot, 4g cpapbility, higher spec front camera lack of volume sales compared to 4s etc etc all add to the cost of the s2.
This as I say again makes it more expensive to produce but is sold significantly cheaper.
However you seem to limit you comments to subjective reasoning which provides little validity to much you say.”
“value is subjective ... cost are pretty much facts dont you belive in facts then?
OLED screens are more expensive to produce than LCD simple fact, given this is also a 4.3 as opposed to a 3.5 increase in costs additionally.
Things such as memory card slot, 4g cpapbility, higher spec front camera lack of volume sales compared to 4s etc etc all add to the cost of the s2.
This as I say again makes it more expensive to produce but is sold significantly cheaper.
However you seem to limit you comments to subjective reasoning which provides little validity to much you say.”
Ignoring the fact that the cost of the unassembled components is only one factor of many that determines the cost of a product...
Please post proof that the component costs for the S2 exceeds the 4S.
And don’t forget to include the cost of the outer enclosure.
Originally Posted by Dark 1:
“Ignoring the fact that the cost of the unassembled components is only one factor of many that determines the cost of a product...
Please post proof that the component costs for the S2 exceeds the 4S.
And don’t forget to include the cost of the outer enclosure.”
“Ignoring the fact that the cost of the unassembled components is only one factor of many that determines the cost of a product...
Please post proof that the component costs for the S2 exceeds the 4S.
And don’t forget to include the cost of the outer enclosure.”
Go and look at many sites listing this .. you think Im here to go run your errands do you. Unless you are saying the opposite is true are you now? that the 4s costs more to manufacture than the s2?
As for other costs as we dont know them a mute point really, aside from the apalling conditions apple manufacturers are made to work in often driven to suicide ... still keeps the costs down don't it
Originally Posted by swordman:
“Go and look at many sites listing this .. you think Im here to go run your errands do you. Unless you are saying the opposite is true are you now? that the 4s costs more to manufacture than the s2?
As for other costs as we dont know them a mute point really, aside from the apalling conditions apple manufacturers are made to work in often driven to suicide ... still keeps the costs down don't it”
“Go and look at many sites listing this .. you think Im here to go run your errands do you. Unless you are saying the opposite is true are you now? that the 4s costs more to manufacture than the s2?
As for other costs as we dont know them a mute point really, aside from the apalling conditions apple manufacturers are made to work in often driven to suicide ... still keeps the costs down don't it
”
Your argument must of reached rock bottom when you bring out this as a reason to bash Apple
Originally Posted by swordman:
“Go and look at many sites listing this .. you think Im here to go run your errands do you. Unless you are saying the opposite is true are you now? that the 4s costs more to manufacture than the s2?
As for other costs as we dont know them a mute point really, aside from the apalling conditions apple manufacturers are made to work in often driven to suicide ... still keeps the costs down don't it”
“Go and look at many sites listing this .. you think Im here to go run your errands do you. Unless you are saying the opposite is true are you now? that the 4s costs more to manufacture than the s2?
As for other costs as we dont know them a mute point really, aside from the apalling conditions apple manufacturers are made to work in often driven to suicide ... still keeps the costs down don't it
”
Yes because Samsung and HTC treat the workers so well... gimme a break.
There are other things in a phones cost beside electronics, in the iphone for example you also have the unibody frame, R&D and the cost of the OS, programmers dont work for free you know.
Also as previously mentioned please provide links to the build cost of the Samsung Galaxy S2.
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“Your argument must of reached rock bottom when you bring out this as a reason to bash Apple”
“Your argument must of reached rock bottom when you bring out this as a reason to bash Apple
”
Has it? does it not bother you a huge corporation can treat people like this then? or are you just happy to save yourself a few quid, regardless of the human cost very very sad.
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“My S2 can backup to anywhere i choose at anytime i want without me touching it. My S2 can also share wirelessly to my computer with absolute ease, and it can infact share via DNLA to my telly or any DNLA compatible device. The 4S cant. If i lost my phone i could have mine restored to exactly where it was with all my apps in less than 5 mins.
I also cant find out how to share my pics wirelessly on this 4S yet whereas on my S2 i simply press an icon in the menu....”
“My S2 can backup to anywhere i choose at anytime i want without me touching it. My S2 can also share wirelessly to my computer with absolute ease, and it can infact share via DNLA to my telly or any DNLA compatible device. The 4S cant. If i lost my phone i could have mine restored to exactly where it was with all my apps in less than 5 mins.
I also cant find out how to share my pics wirelessly on this 4S yet whereas on my S2 i simply press an icon in the menu....”
My 4S automatically backs up to iCloud every time it is plugged into a power source and locked.
I can manually back it up to iCloud via the phone itself. Obviously, this requires touching it, but it's hardly a hassle to go into Settings and tell it to backup.
I can manually back it up to my PC via iTunes, over USB or WiFi, without touching it (so long as it's unlocked).
Restoring a back up to the same phone or a replacement phone is very simple, via either iCloud or iTunes.
Natively the 4S and other iOS devices can only stream via Apple's AirPlay, e.g. to an Apple TV.
But that's not the only way.
I have an app on my 4S which turns it into a DLNA UPnP Media Server for music, allowing me to share my phone's music to any DLNA UPnP Media Client, including my 360 & PS3.
Other apps are available which turn the iPhone or other iOS device into a DLNA UPnP Media Server for videos and photos too, as well as for music, enabling you to stream your whole iTunes Library to a client such as a 360, PS3, or connected TV.
How do you want to share pics wirelessly? If you want to send them to someone, just tap the button which looks like a box with an arrow coming out of it. This gives options including email, message, Tweet, etc. If you want the pics on your PC, just enable the iCloud Photostream, and download the iCloud Control Panel for Windows. All pics taken or downloaded will then appear in the Photostream, and be available on all iDevices (although I doubt you have any others
) and your PC. You can also dump photos in the Photostream folder on the PC to sync them with the phone.
Originally Posted by ACU:
“What is the cost of icloud these days? I take it you dont have to pay for icloud to carry out backups.”
“What is the cost of icloud these days? I take it you dont have to pay for icloud to carry out backups.”
iCloud is free, and always has been since it replaced MobileMe.
Originally Posted by swordman:
“Has it? does it not bother you a huge corporation can treat people like this then? or are you just happy to save yourself a few quid, regardless of the human cost very very sad.”
“Has it? does it not bother you a huge corporation can treat people like this then? or are you just happy to save yourself a few quid, regardless of the human cost very very sad.”
As CNET put it:
Quote:
“Tech is being thrown under the bus with this debate because it’s sexier. Ever notice how everything you wear comes from somewhere else too? We go to Wal-Mart, Target, or wherever and demand cheap chic. You don’t get cheap without inexpensive labor. In the fashion industry the race is on to find more sourcing outside of China. Why? Labor costs are going up. Africa is looking good at the moment. Rest assured that shirt on your back has some exploited labor behind it. In fact, everything you own comes from a supply chain that probably has multiple things you just don’t want to know about. You could swap out Apple in that New York Times story and replace it with almost any American corporate giant.”
“Tech is being thrown under the bus with this debate because it’s sexier. Ever notice how everything you wear comes from somewhere else too? We go to Wal-Mart, Target, or wherever and demand cheap chic. You don’t get cheap without inexpensive labor. In the fashion industry the race is on to find more sourcing outside of China. Why? Labor costs are going up. Africa is looking good at the moment. Rest assured that shirt on your back has some exploited labor behind it. In fact, everything you own comes from a supply chain that probably has multiple things you just don’t want to know about. You could swap out Apple in that New York Times story and replace it with almost any American corporate giant.”
I agree about it not being right but that is another thread altogether. Facts are that every company does this.
Originally Posted by swordman:
“As for other costs as we dont know them a mute point really, aside from the apalling conditions apple manufacturers are made to work in often driven to suicide ... still keeps the costs down don't it”
“As for other costs as we dont know them a mute point really, aside from the apalling conditions apple manufacturers are made to work in often driven to suicide ... still keeps the costs down don't it
”
Foxconn doesn't just manufacture things for Apple. It is the world's largest manufacturer of electronic components, and its clients include a wide range of major computer and consumer electronics companies... including Samsung.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn
Originally Posted by Matt D:
“My 4S automatically backs up to iCloud every time it is plugged into a power source and locked.
I can manually back it up to iCloud via the phone itself. Obviously, this requires touching it, but it's hardly a hassle to go into Settings and tell it to backup.
I can manually back it up to my PC via iTunes, over USB or WiFi, without touching it (so long as it's unlocked).
Restoring a back up to the same phone or a replacement phone is very simple, via either iCloud or iTunes.”
“My 4S automatically backs up to iCloud every time it is plugged into a power source and locked.
I can manually back it up to iCloud via the phone itself. Obviously, this requires touching it, but it's hardly a hassle to go into Settings and tell it to backup.
I can manually back it up to my PC via iTunes, over USB or WiFi, without touching it (so long as it's unlocked).
Restoring a back up to the same phone or a replacement phone is very simple, via either iCloud or iTunes.”
Well since this is a pissing contest, i can back my entire phones image to my SD card so i don't need the use of a PC or any internet connection of any kind.
Or i can back mine up to any PC without the need for any other program on the PC.
Quote:
“Natively the 4S and other iOS devices can only stream via Apple's AirPlay, e.g. to an Apple TV.
But that's not the only way.
I have an app on my 4S which turns it into a DLNA UPnP Media Server for music, allowing me to share my phone's music to any DLNA UPnP Media Client, including my 360 & PS3.
Other apps are available which turn the iPhone or other iOS device into a DLNA UPnP Media Server for videos and photos too, as well as for music, enabling you to stream your whole iTunes Library to a client such as a 360, PS3, or connected TV.”
“Natively the 4S and other iOS devices can only stream via Apple's AirPlay, e.g. to an Apple TV.
But that's not the only way.
I have an app on my 4S which turns it into a DLNA UPnP Media Server for music, allowing me to share my phone's music to any DLNA UPnP Media Client, including my 360 & PS3.
Other apps are available which turn the iPhone or other iOS device into a DLNA UPnP Media Server for videos and photos too, as well as for music, enabling you to stream your whole iTunes Library to a client such as a 360, PS3, or connected TV.”
Like my S2 does without the app you mean?...
Quote:
“How do you want to share pics wirelessly? If you want to send them to someone, just tap the button which looks like a box with an arrow coming out of it. This gives options including email, message, Tweet, etc. If you want the pics on your PC, just enable the iCloud Photostream, and download the iCloud Control Panel for Windows. All pics taken or downloaded will then appear in the Photostream, and be available on all iDevices (although I doubt you have any others ) and your PC. You can also dump photos in the Photostream folder on the PC to sync them with the phone.”
“How do you want to share pics wirelessly? If you want to send them to someone, just tap the button which looks like a box with an arrow coming out of it. This gives options including email, message, Tweet, etc. If you want the pics on your PC, just enable the iCloud Photostream, and download the iCloud Control Panel for Windows. All pics taken or downloaded will then appear in the Photostream, and be available on all iDevices (although I doubt you have any others
) and your PC. You can also dump photos in the Photostream folder on the PC to sync them with the phone.”
I've no idea. I just saw someone on here saying you can share wirelessly and i cant for the life of me figure it out. With my S2 it was as simple as clicking on an icon.
Anyway, like i said, living with the iphone 4S just now, its an excellent phone. Not as quick as the S2, not as slick in many ways especially with Ice Cream Sandwich, colours are not a patch on the S2 but its perfectly usable. Has some nifty effects.
Not my first choice phone though.
Originally Posted by Matt D:
“Foxconn doesn't just manufacture things for Apple. It is the world's largest manufacturer of electronic components, and its clients include a wide range of major computer and consumer electronics companies... including Samsung.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn”
“Foxconn doesn't just manufacture things for Apple. It is the world's largest manufacturer of electronic components, and its clients include a wide range of major computer and consumer electronics companies... including Samsung.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn”
And makes the worst motherboards for PC's ever! lol
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“And makes the worst motherboards for PC's ever! lol”
“And makes the worst motherboards for PC's ever! lol”
Indeed, it's better they stick to just manufacturing other peoples designs.
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“As CNET put it:
I agree about it not being right but that is another thread altogether. Facts are that every company does this.”
“As CNET put it:
I agree about it not being right but that is another thread altogether. Facts are that every company does this.”
Actually its not really is it because this thread is about Apple profits and this is an example of how they arrive at them. Justifying it or excusing it with other companies do it is not really acceptable.
Originally Posted by swordman:
“Actually its not really is it because this thread is about Apple profits and this is an example of how they arrive at them. Justifying it or excusing it with other companies do it is not really acceptable.”
“Actually its not really is it because this thread is about Apple profits and this is an example of how they arrive at them. Justifying it or excusing it with other companies do it is not really acceptable.”
Ofcoarse it is, to play on a level playing field nowadays you need to have things manufactured in countries like china. This is not the reason for Apples profits because it's something everyone is doing and they aren't all doing great, such as HTC.
I read earlier that people in china think the Chinese government need to bring in proper employment laws like eastern countries have.
That wad of dosh is certainly causing a few pens to flutter.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...-worker-abuses
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...-worker-abuses
The only actual difference here to other companies doing the same is the amazing profit levels.
Suppliers have always had a bum deal, as our farmers supplying to the likes of Tesco know full well.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...-worker-abuses
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...-worker-abuses
The only actual difference here to other companies doing the same is the amazing profit levels.
Suppliers have always had a bum deal, as our farmers supplying to the likes of Tesco know full well.
FYI above is a condensed follow on from a large NYT extensive report of 'In China, human costs are built in...".
It uses lots of comments from ex-executives of Apple but no direct comments from Apple.
It uses lots of comments from ex-executives of Apple but no direct comments from Apple.
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