Powerline Adaptors

maltaron · 27-01-2012, 10:39

Are the old white powerline units compatable with the new black models?

TIA

barnpiece · 27-01-2012, 17:32

Yes, they just send the ethernet signals over the mains so can be used wherever you can have an ethernet cable and for any equipment that is connected by ethernet.

Richard

Gormond · 27-01-2012, 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by barnpiece

Yes, they just send the ethernet signals over the mains so can be used wherever you can have an ethernet cable and for any equipment that is connected by ethernet.

Richard

If by old white you mean 85Mb and new black you mean Powerline AV (200Mb+) then the answer is no.

Assuming they both use proper standards (they don't all) then the white ones will be able to run along side the black ones but they won't be able to communicate with each other.

Winston_1 · 27-01-2012, 23:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by barnpiece

Yes, they just send the ethernet signals over the mains so can be used wherever you can have an ethernet cable and for any equipment that is connected by ethernet.

Richard

The mains cables are not designed for this and thus radiate interference to your neighbours.
The earlier 85Mb type mainly cause interference to short wave signals, the later 200Mb types have been shown to block out DAB.
The manufacturers know all about this and fit notch filters to suppress interference (unsuccessfully) on the radio amateur bands.

Best to avoid them altogether, especially as CAT 5 cabling is much cheaper and easier to hide than say aerial cables.

Gormond · 28-01-2012, 00:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

The mains cables are not designed for this and thus radiate interference to your neighbours.
The earlier 85Mb type mainly cause interference to short wave signals, the later 200Mb types have been shown to block out DAB.
The manufacturers know all about this and fit notch filters to suppress interference (unsuccessfully) on the radio amateur bands.

Best to avoid them altogether, especially as CAT 5 cabling is much cheaper and easier to hide than say aerial cables.

Im curious and would be greatful if you can explain in more technical detail.

infinidim · 28-01-2012, 13:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gormond

Im curious and would be greatful if you can explain in more technical detail.

"Winston_1" - I would be interested as well.

Infinidim

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MostynDS · 28-01-2012, 17:20

Google is your friend...

shug15 · 28-01-2012, 19:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by MostynDS

Google is your friend...

...and also your worst eneny.

Gormond · 28-01-2012, 19:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by MostynDS

Google is your friend...

If I could find a good explanation I wouldn't have asked, also winston sounded like he knew what he was talking about in this subject matter.

finbaar · 28-01-2012, 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

The mains cables are not designed for this and thus radiate interference to your neighbours.
The earlier 85Mb type mainly cause interference to short wave signals, the later 200Mb types have been shown to block out DAB.
The manufacturers know all about this and fit notch filters to suppress interference (unsuccessfully) on the radio amateur bands.

Best to avoid them altogether, especially as CAT 5 cabling is much cheaper and easier to hide than say aerial cables.

Got the 85mbps powerline adaptors and they are great. How on earth is running a cable easier than them? And how many weirdo "radio hams" are left? And why should some pointless hobby effect my convenience?

SimonBlackham · 28-01-2012, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gormond

If by old white you mean 85Mb and new black you mean Powerline AV (200Mb+) then the answer is no.

Assuming they both use proper standards (they don't all) then the white ones will be able to run along side the black ones but they won't be able to communicate with each other.

...my old white ones were 200Mb/s.

Gormond · 28-01-2012, 20:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonBlackham

...my old white ones were 200Mb/s.

Indeed, the colour doesn't determine the speed of them.

MostynDS · 28-01-2012, 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gormond

If I could find a good explanation I wouldn't have asked, also winston sounded like he knew what he was talking about in this subject matter.

My apologies. My response was flippant. I suppose it depends on what you search for. My Google of "Powerline Adaptor Interference" produced many good explanations.

This subject has been discussed repeatedly in this forum over the years, though DS has chosen to crop old discussions recently.

I have no strong view either way personally. I guess it just comes down to the physical location that your planning to use them in. Are you in a flat? Or a semi-detached or terrace? And do you care about anyone else?

When I left BT, I returned my silver box in the envelope provided. Some time later I realised I still had the adaptors (which I never used myself). I gave them to a friend who said he wanted to use them to provide network connectivity to a smart TV in his consevetory and that they would be ideal. Some time later I asked him how he got on. He said he had to run a cable instead because the adaptors were wiping out his wireless headphones.

Winston_1 · 30-01-2012, 00:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by finbaar

Got the 85mbps powerline adaptors and they are great. How on earth is running a cable easier than them? And how many weirdo "radio hams" are left? And why should some pointless hobby effect my convenience?

No hobbies are pointless. And people who have hobbies that don't interest you are not weirdos.

Your convenience does not come into it if it is interfering with legitimate radio transmissions. As I said the 200Mb ones can interfere with DAB.

27-01-2012, 10:39	#1
maltaron Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 217	Powerline Adaptors Are the old white powerline units compatable with the new black models? TIA

27-01-2012, 17:32	#2
barnpiece Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 35	Yes, they just send the ethernet signals over the mains so can be used wherever you can have an ethernet cable and for any equipment that is connected by ethernet. Richard

27-01-2012, 21:36	#3
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by barnpiece Yes, they just send the ethernet signals over the mains so can be used wherever you can have an ethernet cable and for any equipment that is connected by ethernet. Richard If by old white you mean 85Mb and new black you mean Powerline AV (200Mb+) then the answer is no. Assuming they both use proper standards (they don't all) then the white ones will be able to run along side the black ones but they won't be able to communicate with each other.

27-01-2012, 23:40	#4
Winston_1 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,008	Quote: Originally Posted by barnpiece Yes, they just send the ethernet signals over the mains so can be used wherever you can have an ethernet cable and for any equipment that is connected by ethernet. Richard The mains cables are not designed for this and thus radiate interference to your neighbours. The earlier 85Mb type mainly cause interference to short wave signals, the later 200Mb types have been shown to block out DAB. The manufacturers know all about this and fit notch filters to suppress interference (unsuccessfully) on the radio amateur bands. Best to avoid them altogether, especially as CAT 5 cabling is much cheaper and easier to hide than say aerial cables.

28-01-2012, 00:11	#5
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 The mains cables are not designed for this and thus radiate interference to your neighbours. The earlier 85Mb type mainly cause interference to short wave signals, the later 200Mb types have been shown to block out DAB. The manufacturers know all about this and fit notch filters to suppress interference (unsuccessfully) on the radio amateur bands. Best to avoid them altogether, especially as CAT 5 cabling is much cheaper and easier to hide than say aerial cables. Im curious and would be greatful if you can explain in more technical detail.

28-01-2012, 13:47	#6
infinidim Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: FAREHAM, UK Posts: 341	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond Im curious and would be greatful if you can explain in more technical detail. "Winston_1" - I would be interested as well. Infinidim Megadodo Publications Ursa Minor Beta

28-01-2012, 17:20	#7
MostynDS Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 773	Google is your friend...

28-01-2012, 19:08	#8
shug15 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 201	Quote: Originally Posted by MostynDS Google is your friend... ...and also your worst eneny.

28-01-2012, 19:21	#9
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by MostynDS Google is your friend... If I could find a good explanation I wouldn't have asked, also winston sounded like he knew what he was talking about in this subject matter.

28-01-2012, 20:24	#10
finbaar Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,921	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 The mains cables are not designed for this and thus radiate interference to your neighbours. The earlier 85Mb type mainly cause interference to short wave signals, the later 200Mb types have been shown to block out DAB. The manufacturers know all about this and fit notch filters to suppress interference (unsuccessfully) on the radio amateur bands. Best to avoid them altogether, especially as CAT 5 cabling is much cheaper and easier to hide than say aerial cables. Got the 85mbps powerline adaptors and they are great. How on earth is running a cable easier than them? And how many weirdo "radio hams" are left? And why should some pointless hobby effect my convenience?

28-01-2012, 20:39	#11
SimonBlackham Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NewForest (Free-View/Sat+19E) Posts: 7,719	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond If by old white you mean 85Mb and new black you mean Powerline AV (200Mb+) then the answer is no. Assuming they both use proper standards (they don't all) then the white ones will be able to run along side the black ones but they won't be able to communicate with each other. ...my old white ones were 200Mb/s.

28-01-2012, 20:49	#12
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by SimonBlackham ...my old white ones were 200Mb/s. Indeed, the colour doesn't determine the speed of them.

28-01-2012, 21:21	#13
MostynDS Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 773	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond If I could find a good explanation I wouldn't have asked, also winston sounded like he knew what he was talking about in this subject matter. My apologies. My response was flippant. I suppose it depends on what you search for. My Google of "Powerline Adaptor Interference" produced many good explanations. This subject has been discussed repeatedly in this forum over the years, though DS has chosen to crop old discussions recently. I have no strong view either way personally. I guess it just comes down to the physical location that your planning to use them in. Are you in a flat? Or a semi-detached or terrace? And do you care about anyone else? When I left BT, I returned my silver box in the envelope provided. Some time later I realised I still had the adaptors (which I never used myself). I gave them to a friend who said he wanted to use them to provide network connectivity to a smart TV in his consevetory and that they would be ideal. Some time later I asked him how he got on. He said he had to run a cable instead because the adaptors were wiping out his wireless headphones.

30-01-2012, 00:36	#14
Winston_1 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,008	Quote: Originally Posted by finbaar Got the 85mbps powerline adaptors and they are great. How on earth is running a cable easier than them? And how many weirdo "radio hams" are left? And why should some pointless hobby effect my convenience? No hobbies are pointless. And people who have hobbies that don't interest you are not weirdos. Your convenience does not come into it if it is interfering with legitimate radio transmissions. As I said the 200Mb ones can interfere with DAB.

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