I quite enjoyed the twist - as there is still quite a lot of skaters left I enjoyed the shorter length of the show & less routines. Always thought the stronger skaters would get saved & so it proved and we got rid of the weakest skater so all good (though i think Corey would have gone anyway).
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It was dreadful, no one is ever going to believe the voting is genuine , its all contrived and it shows.I don't think the public will appreciate being conned.
It worked, it got rid of the weakest skater which was always the intention.
I enjoyed seeing them skate in pairs, was a nice change and would like to see more twists.
I enjoyed seeing them skate in pairs, was a nice change and would like to see more twists.
Originally Posted by saiwong:
“One thing that ruined lasted years show for me was the 'Twists'.
I agree with the original poster that they should
not mess around with the show and winning formula.
Since the celebrities were paired based on ability,
then of the six requiring the public vote there will be a much
larger skill gap between them. Thus the weaker celebs
will find it harder to survive if they land in the skate off.”
“One thing that ruined lasted years show for me was the 'Twists'.
I agree with the original poster that they should
not mess around with the show and winning formula.
Since the celebrities were paired based on ability,
then of the six requiring the public vote there will be a much
larger skill gap between them. Thus the weaker celebs
will find it harder to survive if they land in the skate off.”
It was a great way of getting the two weakest celebs into the skate off - and it worked!! As far as I'm concerned the weaker skaters should be kicked off first - why should a good one go just because a rubbish one has a huge fanbase who vote??
The right person went, but I think with his stinking attitude and ego he was toast anyway with or without the twist.
I did feel sorry for Charlene as I think she should have been safe (unlike Heidi she did let go of her partner occasionally), but given that she was up against Corey, she was never going to be sent home last night. I don't think he had many fans among the training team and I woudn't mind betting that the panel were under strict instructions to boot him if he was in the bottom two - but not a 3-0 save... one had to vote for Corey!
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“The right person went, but I think with his stinking attitude and ego he was toast anyway with or without the twist.
I did feel sorry for Charlene as I think she should have been safe (unlike Heidi she did let go of her partner occasionally), but given that she was up against Corey, she was never going to be sent home last night. I don't think he had many fans among the training team and I woudn't mind betting that the panel were under strict instructions to boot him if he was in the bottom two - but not a 3-0 save... one had to vote for Corey!”
“The right person went, but I think with his stinking attitude and ego he was toast anyway with or without the twist.
I did feel sorry for Charlene as I think she should have been safe (unlike Heidi she did let go of her partner occasionally), but given that she was up against Corey, she was never going to be sent home last night. I don't think he had many fans among the training team and I woudn't mind betting that the panel were under strict instructions to boot him if he was in the bottom two - but not a 3-0 save... one had to vote for Corey!”
I suspect the VT meant Corey was the producers' choice to get kicked out as you say, but based on the skate-off alone - you know, as they're supposed to - he should never have gone. He upped his (admittedly fairly slight) game while Charlene made a total mess of her routine. I was glad Robin acknowledged that at least.
YEs I actually agree with you Lorelei - in the skate off he was marginally better than Charlene - but for me Charlene should have got the immunity over Heidi, and never been in the skate off at all!
Heidi clung to Andrei like a limpet - and whilst Robin did correctly point out that Charlene was rather pushed around the ice by Matty - she did at least perform proper dance steps in an elegant and flowing way, and did part company with him to skate on her own more than once - including that Ena Bauer.
I still reckon that T&D and the coaching team, and probably Brooke had told the panel that he was NOT to be saved if he was in the bottom 2 - no matter what! Chris always looks as though he's talking through clenched teeth when commenting on Corey, and Brooke was obviously having a nightmare time with him and his "my way or the highway" attitude.
Heidi clung to Andrei like a limpet - and whilst Robin did correctly point out that Charlene was rather pushed around the ice by Matty - she did at least perform proper dance steps in an elegant and flowing way, and did part company with him to skate on her own more than once - including that Ena Bauer.
I still reckon that T&D and the coaching team, and probably Brooke had told the panel that he was NOT to be saved if he was in the bottom 2 - no matter what! Chris always looks as though he's talking through clenched teeth when commenting on Corey, and Brooke was obviously having a nightmare time with him and his "my way or the highway" attitude.
Think producers of DOI - and most other these sort of shows - are in a no-win situation. If they leave the shows as they were when they started, people start complaining about them being old-hat and boring; if they try to introduce different aspects, everyone else complains!
Originally Posted by Stig:
“It's very early in the series for these twists. I don't like it either.
The only excuse is that is makes the program slightly shorter as there are so many skaters for individual programmes.”
“It's very early in the series for these twists. I don't like it either.
The only excuse is that is makes the program slightly shorter as there are so many skaters for individual programmes.”
I think that -- if they're going to have a twist like this -- it's better to have it early.
When it's done this soon, there are still enough of the weaker contestants that it's unlikely the bottom 2 in the vote will both be among the better skaters.
And it doesn't raise as much suspicion that the judges may be protecting a favourite who's been lacking votes.
... But, yes, I detest such twists (aka the Big Brother Disease) and I wonder whether there's some reason why DOI is desperate to add artificial drama.
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“Think producers of DOI - and most other these sort of shows - are in a no-win situation. If they leave the shows as they were when they started, people start complaining about them being old-hat and boring; if they try to introduce different aspects, everyone else complains!”
“Think producers of DOI - and most other these sort of shows - are in a no-win situation. If they leave the shows as they were when they started, people start complaining about them being old-hat and boring; if they try to introduce different aspects, everyone else complains!”
1. It depends on what different aspects they introduce. I don't think that having more required elements was a "no win" move back when they did that.
2. So what if some people will complain either way? Maybe there's no change that would be popular with everyone, but so what?
Besides, your wording makes it seem everyone will complain about one direction or the other: "(some) people start complaining about them being old-hat and boring; if they try to introduce different aspects, everyone else complains!" (Between the "some" and the "everyone else", that's everyone taking one side or the other.)
But no, it's not everyone else.
3. No one ever claims it's "no win" when people are saying the change is good, The "no win" line is reserved for times when it can be used to try to discredit objections.
I actually enjoyed the twist, which surprised me as I wasn't expecting to like it at all. I thought it was an interesting way to compare celebs of more or less equivalent ability.
I was glad I wasn't in the position where I had to choose between Matt W and Jorgie because I really couldn't decide which I thought was better but apart from those two, I agreed with all the ones who got immunity. I know Heidi was clinging on to Andrei for dear life but Robin was right that Charlene was being pushed around the rink by Matt G, plus Charlene's footwork was sloppy.
Corey really upped his game in the skate off whereas Charlene wasn't better, so technically she should have gone home. Robin voted right and Louie and Katarina voted wrong. However, I'm glad that Louie and Katarina voted wrong because I like Charlene whereas I didn't like Corey at all. And I think Brooke was rather relieved - she was smiling after they were voted out! I hope Brooke is back next year though, with a decent celeb, as I really liked her on Skating with the Stars in the US where she and Jonny Moseley came third.
I was glad I wasn't in the position where I had to choose between Matt W and Jorgie because I really couldn't decide which I thought was better but apart from those two, I agreed with all the ones who got immunity. I know Heidi was clinging on to Andrei for dear life but Robin was right that Charlene was being pushed around the rink by Matt G, plus Charlene's footwork was sloppy.
Corey really upped his game in the skate off whereas Charlene wasn't better, so technically she should have gone home. Robin voted right and Louie and Katarina voted wrong. However, I'm glad that Louie and Katarina voted wrong because I like Charlene whereas I didn't like Corey at all. And I think Brooke was rather relieved - she was smiling after they were voted out! I hope Brooke is back next year though, with a decent celeb, as I really liked her on Skating with the Stars in the US where she and Jonny Moseley came third.
I enjoyed the twist. Thought it showed a different side to the pairs and I liked the 'bonding' element, which seemed quite genuine in the case of most of them.
I did think it was unfair that Jorgie was up for public vote but I guessed she would be saved anyway and so it proved. The right skater went imo but I think that would have happened anyway, regardless of the twist.
I did think it was unfair that Jorgie was up for public vote but I guessed she would be saved anyway and so it proved. The right skater went imo but I think that would have happened anyway, regardless of the twist.
I liked the twist, as I enjoyed seeing the 2 celebrities skating together, yet still having their own routine.
The thing I would have changed is that the 'losing' celebrity in each pairing should have been scored as normal, so that it was not just a popularity contest with the public votes. In the end it was OK as I felt Corey deserved to go, but I think the fact that he & ( say) Jorgie lined up from an equal start when she had performed so brilliantly didn't seem quite right, so I would have liked the 'losers' to be ranked to at least acknowledge the performance levels.
The thing I would have changed is that the 'losing' celebrity in each pairing should have been scored as normal, so that it was not just a popularity contest with the public votes. In the end it was OK as I felt Corey deserved to go, but I think the fact that he & ( say) Jorgie lined up from an equal start when she had performed so brilliantly didn't seem quite right, so I would have liked the 'losers' to be ranked to at least acknowledge the performance levels.
I think Jorgie could have found herself in the bottom 2 as people may not know her. Although it's exciting to watch the top are pretty much set as Jorgie, Emmerdale boy with there being a fight between Seb/Jennifer and Chico for the final semi final place.
Going on last weeks leader board didn't count, they should have totalled the scores to date then paired them up. The twist did work yes in that Corey got in the bottom 2 but he was almost in a position to be saved but I dont' think Charlene was ever in danger
Going on last weeks leader board didn't count, they should have totalled the scores to date then paired them up. The twist did work yes in that Corey got in the bottom 2 but he was almost in a position to be saved but I dont' think Charlene was ever in danger
Originally Posted by SheShe:
“I enjoyed the twist. Thought it showed a different side to the pairs and I liked the 'bonding' element, which seemed quite genuine in the case of most of them.
I did think it was unfair that Jorgie was up for public vote but I guessed she would be saved anyway and so it proved. The right skater went imo but I think that would have happened anyway, regardless of the twist.”
“I enjoyed the twist. Thought it showed a different side to the pairs and I liked the 'bonding' element, which seemed quite genuine in the case of most of them.
I did think it was unfair that Jorgie was up for public vote but I guessed she would be saved anyway and so it proved. The right skater went imo but I think that would have happened anyway, regardless of the twist.”
agree and Corey had been bookies favourite to go for 2 weeks now so would have probably gone anyway
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“Think producers of DOI - and most other these sort of shows - are in a no-win situation. If they leave the shows as they were when they started, people start complaining about them being old-hat and boring; if they try to introduce different aspects, everyone else complains!”
“Think producers of DOI - and most other these sort of shows - are in a no-win situation. If they leave the shows as they were when they started, people start complaining about them being old-hat and boring; if they try to introduce different aspects, everyone else complains!”
I agree. I think for me the series I enjoyed least was series 5 & I really thought it was looking tired that year. I'm glad they have tried to inject new ideas into the show - not all of them have worked (most noticeably the qualifiers nonsense from the start of last series & the ice pick) but others have worked well.
One of the things I liked about thsi is that a good number of the celebs really improved their performance this week
Originally Posted by Tiger Rose:
“I quite enjoyed the twist - as there is still quite a lot of skaters left I enjoyed the shorter length of the show & less routines. Always thought the stronger skaters would get saved & so it proved and we got rid of the weakest skater so all good (though i think Corey would have gone anyway).”
“I quite enjoyed the twist - as there is still quite a lot of skaters left I enjoyed the shorter length of the show & less routines. Always thought the stronger skaters would get saved & so it proved and we got rid of the weakest skater so all good (though i think Corey would have gone anyway).”
Ditto. Similarly with Wembley week on SCD a break from the norm is generally met with dissatisfaction. The twist condensed the show (it does tend to drag on a bit) and in the end one of the weaker skaters got the boot so all in all it brought something new and different without the 'shock' factor.
I wonder how much voting revenue ITV lost by allowing viewers to vote for only 6 celebs instead of 12?
Originally Posted by frally:
“I wonder how much voting revenue ITV lost by allowing votes for only 6 celebs instead of 12?”
“I wonder how much voting revenue ITV lost by allowing votes for only 6 celebs instead of 12?”
May have been the opposite as people had to vote to save their favourites with no leaderboard to help protect likes of Jorgie.
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“It was a great way of getting the two weakest celebs into the skate off - and it worked!! As far as I'm concerned the weaker skaters should be kicked off first - why should a good one go just because a rubbish one has a huge fanbase who vote??
The right person went, but I think with his stinking attitude and ego he was toast anyway with or without the twist.
I did feel sorry for Charlene as I think she should have been safe (unlike Heidi she did let go of her partner occasionally), but given that she was up against Corey, she was never going to be sent home last night. I don't think he had many fans among the training team and I woudn't mind betting that the panel were under strict instructions to boot him if he was in the bottom two - but not a 3-0 save... one had to vote for Corey!”
“It was a great way of getting the two weakest celebs into the skate off - and it worked!! As far as I'm concerned the weaker skaters should be kicked off first - why should a good one go just because a rubbish one has a huge fanbase who vote??
The right person went, but I think with his stinking attitude and ego he was toast anyway with or without the twist.
I did feel sorry for Charlene as I think she should have been safe (unlike Heidi she did let go of her partner occasionally), but given that she was up against Corey, she was never going to be sent home last night. I don't think he had many fans among the training team and I woudn't mind betting that the panel were under strict instructions to boot him if he was in the bottom two - but not a 3-0 save... one had to vote for Corey!”
It didn't really work, because I think Rosemary ought to have been in the skate-off. I think Charlene is far better than her!
Originally Posted by Snow_Leopard:
“It didn't really work, because I think Rosemary ought to have been in the skate-off. I think Charlene is far better than her!”
“It didn't really work, because I think Rosemary ought to have been in the skate-off. I think Charlene is far better than her!”
i don't know what the producers beef with charlene is - where rosemary gets cosseted by skating againsy andy who is poor
agreed - the worst skaters are andy and rosemary- and heidi isn't much better. Charlene is better than those three
Originally Posted by staceyxxx23:
“I thought it was quite a good twist actually. At least the show didn't take as long.”
“I thought it was quite a good twist actually. At least the show didn't take as long.”
Glad it's on earlier next time myself. Starts at 6.25!
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