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Old 04-02-2012, 19:02
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I've had my S2 for about 6 months now and love it. The camera performace has also been good in low light and normal conditions. I've had no issues with screen, reception or crashing. It's got plenty of internal storage too, so only got music on the SD card that came with it.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:19
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Well that's funny because experts at xddevelopers forums do this. OLED has residual image retention. so you are either blind, have bottom level screen brightness or telling lies. This is my second phone also and others have this reported IR after this test. btw you must wait 30seconds or so on home screen.


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http://webdevsys.com/galaxys2-screenBurn.htm
And search YouTube and Google fir OLED screen burn and image retention.
Late8 - you appear to be finding fault where either none exists or magnifying minor foibles out of all proportion and dissuading others from potentially considering the SGS2 as their next handset. Per your earlier postings re BBCiPlayer, it's evident that you've been unlucky enough to have received a faulty handset, but have done little if anything to rectify the problem, other than moan about it (your prerogative to do so of course).

You seem inclined to subject your phone to abnormal operating conditions in order to prove a point, which is something the vast majority of owners will not do. I did not experience what you have 'suffered' and therefore NOT lying. But once you've a bee in your particular bonnet....

The SGS2 represents fantastic VFM, and I would opine that even at current levels of technology, it's still the phone to beat. IMO, it surpasses the Galaxy Nexus as the SGS2 has expandable memory, better camera, equivalent processing power, better form factor etc...

I've owned Nokias, SEs and Samsungs in the past and the SGS2 is easily the very best mobile I've owned, giving me everything I've wanted from a mobile and more.

Strongly suggest you look for alternatives; the slavish, non-customizable ip4s (small screen, non expandable memory, itunes lock in etc) or worse still, the Nokia Lumia 800, though on surface appearance looks nice, it's very much the poor relation of mobile OSs.

Good luck.
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:44
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The S2 isn't all gold plated as a lot make out. It has its problems (quite a lot).The latest I found was Image retention and screen burn of the OLED display. But it is a great phone.
Now i think your just making things up now.

In all the time i have spent using an S2 and the various forums i have read dedicated to the S2, i have never seen this whatsoever.

There is also no way on hells earth even if image retention was possible you could have it already.

You seem to have a lot wrong with your S2 which other people dont.....
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:51
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Well that's funny because experts at xddevelopers forums do this. OLED has residual image retention. so you are either blind, have bottom level screen brightness or telling lies. This is my second phone also and others have this reported IR after this test. btw you must wait 30seconds or so on home screen.


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http://webdevsys.com/galaxys2-screenBurn.htm
And search YouTube and Google fir OLED screen burn and image retention.
Your talking bullshit. You have chosen to link to an article that talks about the galaxy S then goes on to say:

The Samsung Galaxy S II with its new Super-AMOLED display, released in early 2011, is yet to yield any reports on screen burn (as of August 2011) - but then again, it has been less than six months since its release. The Galaxy S has been around for about one year, and thus has had more opportunities for burn-in to occur.

Then the comments, all 3 of them, only 2 complain about it! Its hardly the widespread problem you seem to state.

We have 3 S2's in this house and none of them have this make believe retention on them. Most of my pals have the S2 as well as work colleagues and none have it. Only you who apparently has many other issues with the phone we all dont.....

I'll tell you what. I'll give you a chance to prove this. Put your phone in standby, get a camera and take a pic of this retention. I would love to see it.

After that, i suggest you take the phone back, get a refund and stick with a £20 piece of crap. that way you might quit moaning...
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:59
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then you dont have a oled

Download this grey Image to your phone...

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/67826988.jpg/

Open it full screen in Gallery and wait for info to disappear.

Press the HOME button to return to the Home screen. (gallery should run in background)

Keep your home screen lit for 10-15 or more seconds.

Return to Gallery and the grey image should come up

You will then see the "retention" of the icons along the bottom. The higher the brightness the worse it gets.
Nope. Doesn't do that on any of the S2's in this house nor any pals i asked.

Anyway, your asking us to do something no one would ever ever do...So what significance does this really actually have?

Must admit the HTC has great sound quality. the S2 is pretty mediocre in the sound department. Apparently the S has better sound than the 2. Something to do with the new DAC and headphones amp.
Uhm...no

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-...c-2012-1051914
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Old 05-02-2012, 09:15
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Old 05-02-2012, 09:19
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Late8 - you appear to be finding fault where either none exists or magnifying minor foibles out of all proportion and dissuading others from potentially considering the SGS2 as their next handset. Per your earlier postings re BBCiPlayer, it's evident that you've been unlucky enough to have received a faulty handset, but have done little if anything to rectify the problem, other than moan about it (your prerogative to do so of course).

You seem inclined to subject your phone to abnormal operating conditions in order to prove a point, which is something the vast majority of owners will not do. I did not experience what you have 'suffered' and therefore NOT lying. But once you've a bee in your particular bonnet....

The SGS2 represents fantastic VFM, and I would opine that even at current levels of technology, it's still the phone to beat. IMO, it surpasses the Galaxy Nexus as the SGS2 has expandable memory, better camera, equivalent processing power, better form factor etc...

I've owned Nokias, SEs and Samsungs in the past and the SGS2 is easily the very best mobile I've owned, giving me everything I've wanted from a mobile and more.

Strongly suggest you look for alternatives; the slavish, non-customizable ip4s (small screen, non expandable memory, itunes lock in etc) or worse still, the Nokia Lumia 800, though on surface appearance looks nice, it's very much the poor relation of mobile OSs.

Good luck.
My rectification was to get a replacement - and speak to the guy in store who had a S2 and displayed the same issue as well as a store demo! He explained it may be a encoding issue from the BBC which was probably correct.
Some people are not as sensitive to judder- which is mainly evident on panning scenes.
It does not effect Flash on other sources apart from iPlayer.
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Old 05-02-2012, 09:30
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Now i think your just making things up now.

In all the time i have spent using an S2 and the various forums i have read dedicated to the S2, i have never seen this whatsoever.

There is also no way on hells earth even if image retention was possible you could have it already.

You seem to have a lot wrong with your S2 which other people dont.....
Image retention can happen any time and is perfectly normal for OLED. Its a residual afterglow or temporary dimming of the cells.


http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1328536

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBgAQ2dLUbQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_LED

Burn is rare - but has been noted if you search google.
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:15
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Well it's an improvement....From common to rare - so might be fair to say that the rare instances could have been faulty screens or the owners abusing their phones.
Stop putting up stupid links to stupid articles.....Have you actually watched the video you linked to? It doesn't show anything to do with 'burn'. It is, in fact, someone abusing their phone!!
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:38
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I didn't mean to start a war here.....
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:50
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Well it's an improvement....From common to rare - so might be fair to say that the rare instances could have been faulty screens or the owners abusing their phones.
Stop putting up stupid links to stupid articles.....Have you actually watched the video you linked to? It doesn't show anything to do with 'burn'. It is, in fact, someone abusing their phone!!
actually its all about image retention. Something completely different to burn.
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Old 05-02-2012, 11:03
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actually its all about image retention. Something completely different to burn.
No it's not, it's about some idiot pressing his finger hard onto the screen and holding it there.
Suggest you read the title of the video also....
A video of a complete imbecile.....congratulations....
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:19
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No it's not, it's about some idiot pressing his finger hard onto the screen and holding it there.
Suggest you read the title of the video also....
A video of a complete imbecile.....congratulations....
Badly worded video yes but if you bother to look again you will notice they are not pressing hard or abusing the screen. It is infact a white test dot under the finger that leaves residual image retention.

OLED technology is prone to IR. and Burn in. IR is a faint retention of a bright or fixed image that fades. Burn in is the next stage where excessive bright or fixed images prematurely age the cells over a longer period of time.
I'm not surprised people don't notice if they can even see research in front of them. The app is on the market called burn in tester pro. Its not burn in however but IR. You can also see the status bar.
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Old 05-02-2012, 13:12
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Badly worded video yes but if you bother to look again you will notice they are not pressing hard or abusing the screen. It is infact a white test dot under the finger that leaves residual image retention.

OLED technology is prone to IR. and Burn in. IR is a faint retention of a bright or fixed image that fades. Burn in is the next stage where excessive bright or fixed images prematurely age the cells over a longer period of time.
I'm not surprised people don't notice if they can even see research in front of them. The app is on the market called burn in tester pro. Its not burn in however but IR. You can also see the status bar.
Rubbish....Look at the end of the persons finger in the video. They are pressing hard on the screen.
So burn is now the 'next' stage......You can only tread water for so long..
According to the rules of burn, you had your SGS2 excessively bright and looked at the same image over a long period of time? Then you complained about screen burn??
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Old 05-02-2012, 15:39
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Actually no.

I have a pair of B&W cans and when listening to them with the S2 its superb. I also have a iPhone 4S and using the same cans the S2 sounds better.
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Old 05-02-2012, 15:41
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I didn't mean to start a war here.....
You didn't.

Sadly we have a user of an S2 who absolutely hates it and feels the need to make things up about it.

There are many many users of S2's on this forum and for some reason he is he only one to have 'many issues'.
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Old 05-02-2012, 15:45
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Badly worded video yes but if you bother to look again you will notice they are not pressing hard or abusing the screen. It is infact a white test dot under the finger that leaves residual image retention.

OLED technology is prone to IR. and Burn in. IR is a faint retention of a bright or fixed image that fades. Burn in is the next stage where excessive bright or fixed images prematurely age the cells over a longer period of time.
I'm not surprised people don't notice if they can even see research in front of them. The app is on the market called burn in tester pro. Its not burn in however but IR. You can also see the status bar.
What research? A small, in fact tiny amount of people who have issues is not research...

I just tried it with all S2's here and surprise surprise, nothing.

Also to add, we have had these since about June last year.

Look, do yourself a favour and bin your S2. You don't deserve to have such a phone.
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Old 05-02-2012, 15:53
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Not experienced any of that......Nor the experience of 5 other people I know with them....
Also tried it

no issues ...or at least i could not see any.
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Old 05-02-2012, 16:06
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Rubbish....Look at the end of the persons finger in the video. They are pressing hard on the screen.
So burn is now the 'next' stage......You can only tread water for so long..
According to the rules of burn, you had your SGS2 excessively bright and looked at the same image over a long period of time? Then you complained about screen burn??
What are you on? They are not pressing hard to damage the screen. Even if they are the screen is toughened gorilla glass.
They are demonstrating IR (Not Burn-in) with a app called Burn-in Tester Pro. A Phenomenon that OLED can display naturally - the length of IR varied depending on how long the static image lasts on screen.

I have always said Burn in was the next stage and Burn in has indeed been catalogued on other OLED displays. Its the nature of OLED. Burn in occurs when the same static image over time ages the cells quicker than others around them causing a dimming effect or ghost. Because OLED looses brightness as it ages this is a known consequence.

Why hammer down and deny on a single insignificant point I made that others may want to consider- especially if using in bright, sunny environments.
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Old 05-02-2012, 16:09
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Actually no.

I have a pair of B&W cans and when listening to them with the S2 its superb. I also have a iPhone 4S and using the same cans the S2 sounds better.
Now compare it to the S that had the Wolfson DAC. If you were into audio you would understand that was a highly rated DAC.
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Old 05-02-2012, 16:10
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What are you on? They are not pressing hard to damage the screen. Even if they are the screen is toughened gorilla glass.
They are demonstrating IR (Not Burn-in) with a app called Burn-in Tester Pro. A Phenomenon that OLED can display naturally - the length of IR varied depending on how long the static image lasts on screen.

I have always said Burn in was the next stage and Burn in has indeed been catalogued on other OLED displays. Its the nature of OLED. Burn in occurs when the same static image over time ages the cells quicker than others around them causing a dimming effect or ghost. Because OLED looses brightness as it ages this is a known consequence.

Why hammer down and deny on a single insignificant point I made that others may want to consider- especially if using in bright, sunny environments.
Where is it known? Where is this apparent research?

No forums please, proper research. I cant find any apart from a few people with dodgy screens which can be repaired.

Your pulling nonsense now....

Oh, also, any screen will deteriorate in bright sunlight. That's a fact.
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Old 05-02-2012, 16:13
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Now compare it to the S that had the Wolfson DAC. If you were into audio you would understand that was a highly rated DAC.
The DAC doesn't process the sound lol That only converts it from Digital to Analogue. Its the sound processor that does the work. Absolutely nothing to do with the DAC.

I had the original S before the S2 and the sound was pretty similar. I wouldn't say as an Audiophile that the sound on the S was better whatsoever.
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Old 05-02-2012, 16:31
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The DAC doesn't process the sound lol That only converts it from Digital to Analogue. Its the sound processor that does the work. Absolutely nothing to do with the DAC.

I had the original S before the S2 and the sound was pretty similar. I wouldn't say as an Audiophile that the sound on the S was better whatsoever.
WTF?? Bad DAC = Bad sound conversion. You must know that. The amplifier and software etc also has a role to play IMO is probably what many complain about with distortion and stereo crosstalk..

You must be the first audiophile I have heard say that the Wolfson DAC in the S was inferior.

Again google it and you will see.

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What's the big deal?? Its still portable audio! I was mealy pointing out there ARE phones and MP3 players with slightly better audio - and that not just me saying this.!
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Old 05-02-2012, 16:48
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WTF?? Bad DAC = Bad sound conversion. You must know that. The amplifier and software etc also has a role to play IMO is probably what many complain about with distortion and stereo crosstalk..
The DAC is simply a digital to analogue converter. Yes, you get bad ones and you get better ones but they rarely cause bad sound quality unless they are severely cheap and nasty.

You must be the first audiophile I have heard say that the Wolfson DAC in the S was inferior.
Sorry, what? Where did i say that??

Again google it and you will see.
I don't need to.

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What's the big deal?? Its still portable audio! I was mealy pointing out there ARE phones and MP3 players with slightly better audio - and that not just me saying this.!
Ugh, no its never just you is it? Its a small section of people who disagree and you jump with that. How about jumping with the people who say its superb when like any other phone/mp3 player its used with decent cans?

Why do you even have this phone? Why not sell it and get something else since you hate it so much.
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Old 05-02-2012, 17:04
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The DAC is simply a digital to analogue converter. Yes, you get bad ones and you get better ones but they rarely cause bad sound quality unless they are severely cheap and nasty.



Sorry, what? Where did i say that??



I don't need to.



Ugh, no its never just you is it? Its a small section of people who disagree and you jump with that. How about jumping with the people who say its superb when like any other phone/mp3 player its used with decent cans?

Why do you even have this phone? Why not sell it and get something else since you hate it so much.
I sugest you do, because there's info on both DACs and how they affect sound on the phones

I don't hate it! I am pointing out the issues I have had with two of them now that are yes, annoying but not changing my mind of why I went with this phone.

You see when people point out stuff that's bad - you get smashed down upon by fanboys and others who distort the "greatness" of a piece of equipment. Something than both Apple and Android camps do big time.
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