Humax Freesat versus Freeview PVR

UNCLEPHIL · 03-02-2012, 08:54

I have recently got a Humax Freesat HD PVR which works pretty well so far - but when a series record has been set and then the last episode has been recorded the scheduled entry for that last episode seems to "stick" at the top of the schedule list even though it is for a time and date that has passed. My friend has the Freeview version which automatically moves that last entry to the bottom of the list blanking the time and date fields so that presumably when that series comes back it will pick it up and start recording again. Is my Humax Freesat version faulty because as it stands I have to delete that entry manually. Any feedback from other Humax users would be appreciated.

grahamlthompson · 03-02-2012, 10:21

All freeview and freesat pvrs work the same.

There is no last episode flag in the Freeview/Freesat + system.

There is an agreement that the codes won't be re-used for unrelated content within 13 weeks of the last transmission.

If you don't manually delete them they will auto delete 13 weeks after thay have not been re-activated. Same applies to your friends Freeview pvr.

There's nothing wrong with your box all Foxsat-hdrs leave them at the top of the list. If you are sure you have recorded the last episode just delete them there's little chance of them ever being re-activated unless there's a break of a week or two in a series. Even then the broadcasters sometimes use new codes anyway.

bobcar · 03-02-2012, 11:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by grahamlthompson

There is an agreement that the codes won't be re-used for unrelated content within 13 weeks of the last transmission.

Why do they ever reuse codes? It would seem to be extremely short sighted if they had used code sizes so small that you couldn't always use a new one rather than reuse one. (I know nothing about the codes used so I'm asking the question but it does seem strange - a 64 bit (8 byte) number for example would allow every broadcaster to have a different range and would last massively longer than broadcast television will).

Nigel Goodwin · 03-02-2012, 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobcar

Why do they ever reuse codes? It would seem to be extremely short sighted if they had used code sizes so small that you couldn't always use a new one rather than reuse one. (I know nothing about the codes used so I'm asking the question but it does seem strange - a 64 bit (8 byte) number for example would allow every broadcaster to have a different range and would last massively longer than broadcast television will).

Who knows - but the existing system means you can't series link programmes like Midsomer Murders, as series linking the new episodes measn the PVR records all the old repeats during the week as well.

grahamlthompson · 03-02-2012, 11:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobcar

Why do they ever reuse codes? It would seem to be extremely short sighted if they had used code sizes so small that you couldn't always use a new one rather than reuse one. (I know nothing about the codes used so I'm asking the question but it does seem strange - a 64 bit (8 byte) number for example would allow every broadcaster to have a different range and would last massively longer than broadcast television will).

You would have to ask whoever designed the system. The codes aren't numbers but are in fact Ascii character strings.

You can tell a Foxsat-HDR to show them in programme info.

Basically two alphanumeric strings

Series CRID (Content Reference Identifier) the same for each episode of the series

Programme CRID - the same for each individual episode so repeats aren't picked up as part of the series.

Example

Todays BBC HD Great British Railway Journeys

PROG CRID fp.bbc.co.uk /241D1
SERIES CRID fp.bbc.co.uk /KY9K5W

bobcar · 03-02-2012, 16:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Who knows - but the existing system means you can't series link programmes like Midsomer Murders, as series linking the new episodes measn the PVR records all the old repeats during the week as well.

That's a big gripe of mine, especially since new Midsomer Murders are so spread out it's easy to miss them

. I have made other arrangements but it would be nice for the PVR to do it.

bobcar · 03-02-2012, 16:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by grahamlthompson

You would have to ask whoever designed the system. The codes aren't numbers but are in fact Ascii character strings.

You can tell a Foxsat-HDR to show them in programme info.

Basically two alphanumeric strings

Series CRID (Content Reference Identifier) the same for each episode of the series

Programme CRID - the same for each individual episode so repeats aren't picked up as part of the series.

Example

Todays BBC HD Great British Railway Journeys

PROG CRID fp.bbc.co.uk /241D1
SERIES CRID fp.bbc.co.uk /KY9K5W

Thanks for that, you don't give a string size but that should be enough to avoid clashes and reuse.

grahamlthompson · 03-02-2012, 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Who knows - but the existing system means you can't series link programmes like Midsomer Murders, as series linking the new episodes measn the PVR records all the old repeats during the week as well.

Not if the new series has a different series crid as it should.

This a favourite channel 5 screw up. They give the same series crid to channel 5 and 5* transmissions. As a result you can't choose which time slot to record. Setting a lunchtime recording for Home & Away picks up the next episode on 5*+1 on the same day instead of the next day lunchtime recording on 5.

03-02-2012, 08:54	#1
UNCLEPHIL Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2	Humax Freesat versus Freeview PVR I have recently got a Humax Freesat HD PVR which works pretty well so far - but when a series record has been set and then the last episode has been recorded the scheduled entry for that last episode seems to "stick" at the top of the schedule list even though it is for a time and date that has passed. My friend has the Freeview version which automatically moves that last entry to the bottom of the list blanking the time and date fields so that presumably when that series comes back it will pick it up and start recording again. Is my Humax Freesat version faulty because as it stands I have to delete that entry manually. Any feedback from other Humax users would be appreciated.

03-02-2012, 16:07	#6
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin Who knows - but the existing system means you can't series link programmes like Midsomer Murders, as series linking the new episodes measn the PVR records all the old repeats during the week as well. That's a big gripe of mine, especially since new Midsomer Murders are so spread out it's easy to miss them. I have made other arrangements but it would be nice for the PVR to do it.

03-02-2012, 10:21	#2
grahamlthompson Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Redditch Worcs Posts: 17,293	All freeview and freesat pvrs work the same. There is no last episode flag in the Freeview/Freesat + system. There is an agreement that the codes won't be re-used for unrelated content within 13 weeks of the last transmission. If you don't manually delete them they will auto delete 13 weeks after thay have not been re-activated. Same applies to your friends Freeview pvr. There's nothing wrong with your box all Foxsat-hdrs leave them at the top of the list. If you are sure you have recorded the last episode just delete them there's little chance of them ever being re-activated unless there's a break of a week or two in a series. Even then the broadcasters sometimes use new codes anyway.

03-02-2012, 11:04	#3
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by grahamlthompson There is an agreement that the codes won't be re-used for unrelated content within 13 weeks of the last transmission. Why do they ever reuse codes? It would seem to be extremely short sighted if they had used code sizes so small that you couldn't always use a new one rather than reuse one. (I know nothing about the codes used so I'm asking the question but it does seem strange - a 64 bit (8 byte) number for example would allow every broadcaster to have a different range and would last massively longer than broadcast television will).

03-02-2012, 11:31	#4
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by bobcar Why do they ever reuse codes? It would seem to be extremely short sighted if they had used code sizes so small that you couldn't always use a new one rather than reuse one. (I know nothing about the codes used so I'm asking the question but it does seem strange - a 64 bit (8 byte) number for example would allow every broadcaster to have a different range and would last massively longer than broadcast television will). Who knows - but the existing system means you can't series link programmes like Midsomer Murders, as series linking the new episodes measn the PVR records all the old repeats during the week as well.

03-02-2012, 11:39	#5
grahamlthompson Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Redditch Worcs Posts: 17,293	Quote: Originally Posted by bobcar Why do they ever reuse codes? It would seem to be extremely short sighted if they had used code sizes so small that you couldn't always use a new one rather than reuse one. (I know nothing about the codes used so I'm asking the question but it does seem strange - a 64 bit (8 byte) number for example would allow every broadcaster to have a different range and would last massively longer than broadcast television will). You would have to ask whoever designed the system. The codes aren't numbers but are in fact Ascii character strings. You can tell a Foxsat-HDR to show them in programme info. Basically two alphanumeric strings Series CRID (Content Reference Identifier) the same for each episode of the series Programme CRID - the same for each individual episode so repeats aren't picked up as part of the series. Example Todays BBC HD Great British Railway Journeys PROG CRID fp.bbc.co.uk /241D1 SERIES CRID fp.bbc.co.uk /KY9K5W

03-02-2012, 16:10	#7
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by grahamlthompson You would have to ask whoever designed the system. The codes aren't numbers but are in fact Ascii character strings. You can tell a Foxsat-HDR to show them in programme info. Basically two alphanumeric strings Series CRID (Content Reference Identifier) the same for each episode of the series Programme CRID - the same for each individual episode so repeats aren't picked up as part of the series. Example Todays BBC HD Great British Railway Journeys PROG CRID fp.bbc.co.uk /241D1 SERIES CRID fp.bbc.co.uk /KY9K5W Thanks for that, you don't give a string size but that should be enough to avoid clashes and reuse.

03-02-2012, 17:12	#8
grahamlthompson Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Redditch Worcs Posts: 17,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin Who knows - but the existing system means you can't series link programmes like Midsomer Murders, as series linking the new episodes measn the PVR records all the old repeats during the week as well. Not if the new series has a different series crid as it should. This a favourite channel 5 screw up. They give the same series crid to channel 5 and 5* transmissions. As a result you can't choose which time slot to record. Setting a lunchtime recording for Home & Away picks up the next episode on 5*+1 on the same day instead of the next day lunchtime recording on 5.

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