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Madonna proves she is still the Queen!
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Josh Pinder
05-02-2012
LOL i didnt mean in terms of "era" which essentially it wasnt one....it is just interesting is all really.

Also Luvin has only been out for a little while and MDNA has been the main pull (as expected really) hence the massive global domination of the album and the more mediocre success of the single downloads at the moment too.

Nothing to get knickers in a twist over! Besides Super Bowl tonight will see a resurgence in song sales when the pre-order deal with itunes stops Monday so the single will benefit from that, plus more airplay circulation

Also why compare with those current singles? When the singles sold more than the respective albums . Not to mention 4 decades in....EPICness! Besides the main pull is always the album and tour with Madonna really But i would love some videos and singles for promo this era definitely.
Illeism
05-02-2012
I think Madonna is becoming one of those artists who release big albums and have big tours, like AC/DC or U2.

Pop Radio is notoriously ageist, and I can't see her surviving there that much longer.

The only reason she's getting so much Air-Play in the US is because of the deal she has with Clear Channel.

I can't see GMAYL doing spectacularly on the charts, and I certainly don't see it going to Number One.
TH14
05-02-2012
GMAYL can only be purchased at the moment when you pre order MDNA, it can't be purchased outright. Once the iTunes thing ends and the single can be brought in its own right then we will see it rise
Sanah
05-02-2012
ok lets lighten the mood on this topic...I know lets play a game...Who am I. Ya'all have to guess ok?

Here goes...

Britneys the princess of pop but Madonna's the queen of pop, but Kylie is princess of pop to and I love them all and theyre all good but Madonna is just the best because she is queen..and she's not the princess and I love the queen of pop because of the princess britney as shes sold alot but not more than Madonna.....

2004 was a good year because I like britney i do as her album was good but Kylie's album was more deep cuz she's not the queen of pop, and britneys album was good but not good..because shes not the princess of pop, but madonnas is way way way way way more better ..but I love Kylie really i love her.........

..My mum bought the britney and i bought the madonna then my mum bought the Kylie and I bought the Britney and mum bought the whole of tesco's bla bla bla bla bal BLAHH!!

Ok guys who am I??

This is all for jokes right..Please take this in good humour!!
Gigi4
05-02-2012
Originally Posted by Illeism:
“I think Madonna is becoming one of those artists who release big albums and have big tours, like AC/DC or U2.

Pop Radio is notoriously ageist, and I can't see her surviving there that much longer.

The only reason she's getting so much Air-Play in the US is because of the deal she has with Clear Channel.

I can't see GMAYL doing spectacularly on the charts, and I certainly don't see it going to Number One.”

I think there will always be a place for Madonna at pop radio as long as she does commercial radio friendly pop music. U2 and AC/DC do rock and there aren't that many rock oriented stations anymore so you can't compare them and Madonna.
Her deal is with Live Nation, not Clear Channel. Live Nation is a concert promoter. Clear Channel is a separate company that owns radio stations. So I don't think her deal with Live Nation has much to do whether she's played on the radio or not.
Anyway there are other ways of promoting music than just radio now. It used to be you had to build up radio airplay to get a hit but not with digital downloading you can get a hit by just your fans buying it if for example you do something like Madonna is doing by performing it on tv. Not as many people listen to commercial radio as they used to.
konebyvax
05-02-2012
Is my iTunes playing up or has Lana's Deluxe Edition just knocked MDNA off #1 spot?
jadebutterfly96
05-02-2012
Originally Posted by maninthequeue:
“You must be joking???

For starters MJ sucked badly as he had turned into a pathetic near complete mime artist by then.

The album performed very badly as well, it only sold massively in its first week due to the exploitation of MJ's fanatical fan base buying all 5 of the different coloured versions of the album cover, but it soon dropped away down the chart soon after. Selling very poorly compared to his last proper studio album "History (Continues)". It spent on it's initial chart run just 9 weeks in the UK's album chart going 1-5-18-32 in it's first 4 weeks. Whilst in the USA it spent just 1 week at #1; and dropped out of the US Top 10 albums after 3 weeks.

Whilst the lead single "You Rock My World" only topped the French chart; peaking at #2 in the UK & #10 in the USA.

If MDNA does as badly as "Invincible"; then it would strongly suggest she has lost her crown; just as Invincible's poor showing suggested that his crown (at the time) had been passed on to Usher (although shortly Justin Timberlake could lay claim to it).

However, looking across some global iTunes and seeing how Give Me All Your Luvin' is doing:

USA #11
UK #17
Argentina #2
Austria #32
Australia #42
Belgium #6
Brazil #1
Canada #9
Denmark #30
France #3
Germany #26
Greece #3
Ireland #23
Italy #2
Japan #17
Mexico #2
Netherlands #11
New Zealand #45
Norway #16
Poland #2
Portugal #3
Spain #2
Sweden #3
Switzerland #10


Not exactly (to put it politely) as dominate as when the likes of California Gurls; Born This Way or We Found Love were doing when first released, and none of them had the video ready from the get go either.

So (unwittingly) comparing Madonna now to MJ's Invincible era might turn out to be a good call, But not one I'd imagine Madonna nor Interscope would like.”

Before making such a long winded post, perhaps you should have checked that the single is not officially released and all the "free" downloads as a result of the MDNA pre-orders do not count for single sales. Until the single is available as a "standalone" sale, ie after the pre-sale period, there is little point trying to belittle the single success and compare it to California Gurls alike.
Illeism
05-02-2012
Sanah, I was going to post something alluding to drug use, but I think that would be unfair.

Please, stay on-topic, because you are making absolutely no sense.
Illeism
05-02-2012
Originally Posted by konebyvax:
“Is my iTunes playing up or has Lana's Deluxe Edition just knocked MDNA off #1 spot?”

I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. MDNA is only a pre-order, and the fans have probably got it by now. Plus it's a limited run, ending tomorrow. The people who were going to pre-order were probably aware of this and did it while they could.
gpk
05-02-2012
Originally Posted by maninthequeue:
“If MDNA does as badly as "Invincible"; then it would strongly suggest she has lost her crown; just as Invincible's poor showing suggested that his crown (at the time) had been passed on to Usher (although shortly Justin Timberlake could lay claim to it).”

that`s ridiculous. even if m.d.n.a. flopped she would still be one of the biggest selling females artists ever. similarly mj will always be considered one of the best selling male artists. usher doesn't even come close in terms of sales and jt is even further off the mark. you don't just land at the top of the tree with impressive sales periods.
Sanah
05-02-2012
Originally Posted by Illeism:
“Sanah, I was going to post something alluding to drug use, but I think that would be unfair.

Please, stay on-topic, because you are making absolutely no sense.”


You didnt get it? Read my post again. For a laugh I was trying to imitate somebody...and you guys had to guess who's posts Im trying to imitate..

Just for a laugh.
jadebutterfly96
05-02-2012
Originally Posted by Illeism:
“I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. MDNA is only a pre-order, and the fans have probably got it by now. Plus it's a limited run, ending tomorrow. The people who were going to pre-order were probably aware of this and did it while they could.”

Two days reign on the top during pre-order period is not bad.
Illeism
05-02-2012
Originally Posted by Gigi4:
“I think there will always be a place for Madonna at pop radio as long as she does commercial radio friendly pop music. U2 and AC/DC do rock and there aren't that many rock oriented stations anymore so you can't compare them and Madonna.”

But will she always do radio-friendly pop music? She's working with Orbit again - for all we know she could make an album of Shanti/Astangis next.

Quote:
“Her deal is with Live Nation, not Clear Channel. Live Nation is a concert promoter. Clear Channel is a separate company that owns radio stations. So I don't think her deal with Live Nation has much to do whether she's played on the radio or not.”

No, she also has a deal with Clear Channel in the US until the SB airs.
Sanah
05-02-2012
Im honestly suprised non of you got my post above..or who I was imitating...

I was just trying to have a giggle!
Josh Pinder
05-02-2012
I think it will be interesting with Madonna as she isnt a heavy Rock Act like U2, AC/DC, The Stones etc

I feel with Madonna being 30 years at the top of the Pop world with one massive album after the next, and one massive hit after the next she is in such a place where I truly feel that she will have a place in the Pop Chart for a while yet to be honest...who would have thought it though that Madonna at 53 would be able to cause such a storm on many different levels across radio....Kiss FM are setting 4,000 airplays a day of the song the past two days ahead of the Super Bowl.

But it will be so so interesting definitely....I feel as long as she releases a couple hits from every album she does she will always have airplay on Pop charts.
TH14
05-02-2012
Originally Posted by Sanah:
“Im honestly suprised non of you got my post above..or who I was imitating...

I was just trying to have a giggle!”

Not a clue who you are on about and I don't think anyone cares either
gpk
05-02-2012
Originally Posted by Sanah:
“Im honestly suprised non of you got my post above..or who I was imitating...

I was just trying to have a giggle!”

i tend to keep jokes about other fm`s to myself or post them to friends via private messages. however, i did get it.
Sanah
05-02-2012
Who's posts normally go along the lines of whats posted below!! (He posts like this every day)

Britneys the princess of pop but Madonna's the queen of pop, but Kylie is princess of pop to and I love them all and theyre all good but Madonna is just the best because she is queen..and she's not the princess and I love the queen of pop because of the princess britney as shes sold alot but not more than Madonna.....

2004 was a good year because I like britney i do as her album was good but Kylie's album was more deep cuz she's not the queen of pop, and britneys album was good but not good..because shes not the princess of pop, but madonnas is way way way way way more better ..but I love Kylie really i love her.........

..My mum bought the britney and i bought the madonna then my mum bought the Kylie and I bought the Britney and mum bought the whole of tesco's bla bla bla bla bal BLAHH!!

Ok guys who am I??
TH14
05-02-2012
Originally Posted by Sanah:
“Who's posts normally go along the lines of whats posted below!! (He posts like this every day)

Britneys the princess of pop but Madonna's the queen of pop, but Kylie is princess of pop to and I love them all and theyre all good but Madonna is just the best because she is queen..and she's not the princess and I love the queen of pop because of the princess britney as shes sold alot but not more than Madonna.....

2004 was a good year because I like britney i do as her album was good but Kylie's album was more deep cuz she's not the queen of pop, and britneys album was good but not good..because shes not the princess of pop, but madonnas is way way way way way more better ..but I love Kylie really i love her.........

..My mum bought the britney and i bought the madonna then my mum bought the Kylie and I bought the Britney and mum bought the whole of tesco's bla bla bla bla bal BLAHH!!

Ok guys who am I??”

I haven't got a clue
gpk
05-02-2012
Originally Posted by Sanah:
“Ok guys who am I??”

ffs, i said i got. it wasn't that amusing, so lets more the conversation forward please.
Sanah
05-02-2012
Originally Posted by gpk:
“i tend to keep jokes about other fm`s to myself or post them to friends via private messages. however, i did get it.”

I really mean no offence by it. They're just bloody hilarious to read..Which is a good thing.
AlexMalgua
05-02-2012
Originally Posted by Sanah:
“ok lets lighten the mood on this topic...I know lets play a game...Who am I. Ya'all have to guess ok?

Here goes...

Britneys the princess of pop but Madonna's the queen of pop, but Kylie is princess of pop to and I love them all and theyre all good but Madonna is just the best because she is queen..and she's not the princess and I love the queen of pop because of the princess britney as shes sold alot but not more than Madonna.....

2004 was a good year because I like britney i do as her album was good but Kylie's album was more deep cuz she's not the queen of pop, and britneys album was good but not good..because shes not the princess of pop, but madonnas is way way way way way more better ..but I love Kylie really i love her.........

..My mum bought the britney and i bought the madonna then my mum bought the Kylie and I bought the Britney and mum bought the whole of tesco's bla bla bla bla bal BLAHH!!

Ok guys who am I??

This is all for jokes right..Please take this in good humour!!”

Know who's that is but failing to see the funny side of it. If you're gonna make fun of this poster at least have the decency to do it directly to him/her or keep it to yourself because there's no need for it...:sleep:
Gigi4
05-02-2012
Originally Posted by Illeism:
“But will she always do radio-friendly pop music? She's working with Orbit again - for all we know she could make an album of Shanti/Astangis next.



No, she also has a deal with Clear Channel in the US until the SB airs.”

Madonna will ocasionally do an uncommerical album track like Shanti or Mer Girl, but when has she done a whole album of non-commercial music? William Orbit isn't totally uncommercial. He does pop based music too. He's even written hits for other artists besides Madonna. Madonna at her core is pop artist. She loves and appreciate catchy pop music so I can't see her ever completely abandoning pop music. She will throw in a few avant garde album tracks but I think her albums will always have pure pop stuff too.
I hadn't heard about the Clear Channel thing, but maybe you're right. I just know her recording and touring is with Live Nation.
AlexMalgua
05-02-2012
Originally Posted by Josh Pinder:
“LOL i didnt mean in terms of "era" which essentially it wasnt one....it is just interesting is all really.

Also Luvin has only been out for a little while and MDNA has been the main pull (as expected really) hence the massive global domination of the album and the more mediocre success of the single downloads at the moment too.

Nothing to get knickers in a twist over! Besides Super Bowl tonight will see a resurgence in song sales when the pre-order deal with itunes stops Monday so the single will benefit from that, plus more airplay circulation

Also why compare with those current singles? When the singles sold more than the respective albums . Not to mention 4 decades in....EPICness! Besides the main pull is always the album and tour with Madonna really But i would love some videos and singles for promo this era definitely.”

Fair enough, Josh. But I have to say, I nearly choked when I read the reference you made to 'Invicible' The album launch at the time was such an embarassment that I wouldn't wish anybody of MJ's status to experience what he experienced with it. Yes, the album topped the charts, sold a few millions and YRMW was a 'success' but the album was panned by the critics, loathed by the general public and his short time in the charts turned MJ himself into a joke...So, nope, I don't want to see MDNA doing an Invicible on us and considering the album sales are successful in a short pre-orders period, I'm glad it doesn't
As for the single's progression, it does make total sense to me now. I kinda suspected it wasn't officially released - well at least in the US - so can't wait to see how well it'll do from Monday
maninthequeue
05-02-2012
Originally Posted by gpk:
“that`s ridiculous. even if m.d.n.a. flopped she would still be one of the biggest selling females artists ever. similarly mj will always be considered one of the best selling male artists. usher doesn't even come close in terms of sales and jt is even further off the mark. you don't just land at the top of the tree with impressive sales periods.”

What on earth are talking about it????


I am talking about in contemporary music terms and not of all time, as her "reign" would be over. Unless it has escaped my attention that The Beatles are still going strong and releasing new material; Muhammad Ali is still World Heavyweight Boxing champion; Ayrton Senna is still Formula 1 World Champion; Winston Churchill is still British Prime Minister; etc.

Just as MJ reign ended with the poor selling Invincible after the poor performance of the singles and the album in comparison to Usher (who had 6 USA#1 hit singles and two massive selling albums 8701 (8 million) & Confessions (20 million) between 2001 & 2004); to be then arguably replaced by Justin Timberlake who had 4 US #1 hit singles and two circa 10 million selling albums.

So Madonna who's last US single Celebration made USA #71, has to compete with Rihanna (11 USA #1 hits since 2006, but has yet to have a US #1 album); Katy Perry (6 US#1 hit singles since 2008; but fails to translate into huge album sales); Lady Gaga (just 3 US #1 hits since 2008); but has far greater following translating into tour and album sales); Beyonce (4 out of 4 US #1 albums; & 5 US #1 chart toppers since leaving Destiny's Child); Britney Spears (6 US#1 albums; and 3 US#1 hits since 2008, but her popularity is not what it was a decade ago; ...
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