Lol i mean more name alone style hype really...not exactly like Invincible etc.....but MDNA is obviously a very very different era and period of time and type of artist too lol.

Dont worry i didnt mean it in the sense of comparing era with era...just the last time a name alone artist was to sell name alone was in fact MJ...with its messy promo....but with an exact promo schedule, en mass hype, massive eprformances etc....MDNA is set to be another big album WOOO!

To say she is dominating every other artist out there is a massive over estimate. Just like lady gaga they have a massive fan base/following. Madonnas even bigger one in every country around the world is obviously going to put her #1, but judging by gimme all your luv, it may be all front loaded. She's already slipping now in nearly all the charts,
If she comes back and sells 15million this year like ADELE last year, I'll hold my hands up and admit I'm wrong, but I can't see her selling much after the initial burst of a few million in first month.
So saying she is slaying every female artist is a hopeful estimate, not a fact.

too bad her single is flopping here

I have no idea of you mean, but then again, I think I may do
so now I have got one for you:

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It has to be a child on both sides. If it is an adult, it is not considered ******** and is called ******-harassment or ******stalking and is a very serious crime. ******** is very serious also, but it doesn't always break the law. Sometimes it does break the law , and even when it doesn't, it is definitely wrong and children do usually get in trouble with parents or school.

What am I?

Madonna is such a yawn these days! :yawn:

Have you not bothered to read anything about GMAYL and the fact that it's only available as part of the pre order and isnt actually officially released yet?

why do i suspect this is not genuine concern?

No, you can buy it alone without a pre-order

yes, but why would her fans buy the single, when its free with the pre-order?

a successful single gets to the top regardless. This just shows it hasn't been a success with the non Madonna fans

That's being too easily OTT - And I'm not sure I get the point you're trying to make about Madonna or MJ now.
Yes, Invincible killed MJ music career but considering that what Usher was doing at the times was recycling Mj's moves and influences into a very sweet blend of mainstream R&B which sold amazingly well but not to the extent of any MJ's records, I don't see how he took his crown. In Timberlake's case, has he carried on making music after his second album, he could have been a potential contender but at that stage, and even though he made a more significant impact than Usher, he didn't steal MJ's thunder either. Charts and sales are not (only) what defined MJ's reign and in this sense, Invincible only confirmed his reign years ago with child's abuse accusations he's faced since the Dangerous era.
As for Madonna, if we're focusing on the US charts, as you seem to do, then the pop tarts's current rise are totally irrelevant considering Madonna's lack of success with her singles has started with AL's backlash. Arguably, you can see this backlash as another reason of the decline of her album sales since AL since COADF for instance was a massive success in Europe with equally solid hits but yet it sold poorly in the US in comparison...

it was only released friday without any airplay or promotion, so its a bit early to write it off just yet.

Quite simply, as you seem to fail to grasp.....

In historic all time terms, Madonna is The Queen of Pop by a very large margin, which the current crop of female popstars will need another two decades of relatively similar success before they can lay claim to have overhauled her all time achievements.

But you can't possibly say she is the current Queen of Pop as she has not released an album in the last few years, no more than you can say the Rolling Stones are the biggest band in the world.

Indeed last year Rolling Stone magazine did a review to work out out who was the current Queen of Pop http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...f-pop-20110629 (1st Gaga; 2nd Taylor Swift; 3rd Rihanna; 4th Britney; 5th Beyonce, ...); Madonna was unplaced because she had not released anything over the previous three years.

Hence, she has her work cut out to reclaim the current Queen Of Pop title which she owned for large periods in the 1980s & 1990s through to her Music album/era, from her young pretenders.

Madonna's massive tour successes, her legacy, her record sales and the fact that she is still a massive draw, IMO, makes her the queen of pop still. I know some people wont agree but it's all subjective and she's is the queen of pop in my eyes

I didn't realise the Queen of Pop title is an annual contest.

Well, Elvis Presley hasn't made a record in 35 years yet he is still king of Rock,n,Roll! by your logic it would appear that the Queen of Pop title should be decided by a "Miss World" style contest.

Someone who is at the top like Madonna, and successfully repeatedly regained the top over the thirty year period is as relevant today as Queen of Pop as she was back in 1987.

People keep saying "she hasn't made a record in years". Well 2009 was the last time she released a single and album. 2 and a half years ago. It's hardly many years!

Is it?

Well, first of all she did it with ROL so why couldn't she do it again? But most importantly - and I'm not trying to bash her but actually applying your own logic to Adele's case - it's not like Adele churns out albums which keep selling over 10m every time...21 was a surprise monster hit that nobody saw coming, and not even her!? So to say Adele dominates every female artist on the basis of just one album is overdoing it.
But the thing is MDNA's performance so far promises the comeback to be huge considering the lukewarm reception of Hard Candy, and this despite Madonna having a huge fanbase. Anyway, MDNA ain't out before a month so it's all bit speculative...

I failed to grasp your point simply because you go on a tangent about how she's not the current Queen of Pop, which is totally irrelevant to my post but still miss making a proper point about what sort of GMAYL/MDNA's impact is in response to the previous posts you questioned...

15 Million back in 1998 for ROL wasn't outselling everyone, there were still people doing better than her at the time.
The point i'm saying is, everyones acting like shes the biggest star of right now, obviously shes bigger than Katy Perry/Lady GaGa/Rihanna, they've been round for like an 8th of how long Madonna has been around, but as of right now. Adele IS the biggest thing at the moment, 32 Weeks she's been #1 on global chart so far,
Her 2003 and 2008 album sold 5 million and 3.8 million respectively. Sales less than that of Rihanna/Lady GaGa's past albums, so they're hardly "incredible"
Confession on a dance floor sold 12 million albums around 2005/2006 which was incredible, but even now when Album sales are at their lowest point it doesn't come anywhere near the 18 million so far, of adele.

Oh, so I guess you do think right now: the current Boxing Heavyweight Champion of the World is Muhammad Ali; the UK's Prime Minister is Winston Churchill; Donald Bradman is the best cricket batsman in the world; Jack Nickolas is the best golfer in the world; Pele is the World's Best footballer; etc.


At the end of 1987, Madonna had 12 successive US Top 5 hit singles in just over 3 years containing 6 US #1 singles; and 15 consecutive UK Top 5 hit singles containing 5 UK #1 hit singles; her debut album was a 10 million seller; her follow up (Like A Virgin) sold 21 million; and her 3rd album (True Blue) sold 25 million.

In comparison between 2009 & today she has just released a 2CD retrospective (Celebration) which has only sold 2 million copies; released two singles: Celebration USA #71 & UK #3 & Revolver USA DNC (failed to make the top 20 breakers under the Top 100) & UK #130; and had her largest grossing tour record for a female artist broken by Lady Gaga. All whilst following up her worst critically & publicly received album to date 2008's Hard Candy.

So not exactly the same like for like is it.



And as mentioned above, whilst it is not many years, the poor performance of those releases in stark comparison to her commercial & creative peaks, suggests she has a massive effort to stay relevant in commercial terms, and to avoid becoming little more than a big(-ish) album sales for a months act whom you'd only pay to see live in concert like U2, The Rolling Stones; Paul McCartney; Elton John; etc have become.

Hence, the current (albeit early stages) performance of her lead single, despite the massive global hype, suggests she is on the verge of becoming a "veteran" act; just like U2 became via their "Get On Your Boots"/"No Line On The Horizon" single/album.

You have to consider that Adele's sales are unusual. Of course no one can deny the phenomena of the success of "21". But you also have to put things in context. The average album by an average artist nowadays gets around 2 million sales. Larger artists get around 3 - 6 million sales per album. I doubt Adele's next album will outsell the current one. This is a one off. You also have to consider that Madonna's lowest selling albums get around 5 million copies. For an artist who can get 5 million copies for her "flop" albums, that is phenomenal in itself. We could spend argument over argument comparing artist with artist, but firstly, Adele isn't really "pop" music. So to compare her to Madonna is a little unrealistic.

I reckon MDNA will sell 12-16 million copies overall. Maybe not in as quick a timeframe as Adele, but to dismiss the success of Madonna's download achievement is slightly naive. This in itself makes her the Queen of Pop. The crown has never slipped off her head.

I thought it was funny.

But "Celebration" was a project Madonna couldn't give a flying fig for. It was a contractual Warner release to "break" her from her record contract. It largely contained songs already contained on the three previous Greatest Hits albums. There was no initiative to buy this album. As for the tour by Lady Gaga beating Madonna, show me the proof. To date, Madonna sets the record for most successful tour of a female artist..........ever.

No its not. My iTunes is allowing me to buy it outright