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Old 07-02-2012, 03:54
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i heard someone say yesterday that "Somewhere in the world Janet Jackson, Beyonce, Britney Spears, Celine Dion, Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey is sitting in a corner in their respective houses crying their eyes out and asking why they don't have Madonna's career!!!!"
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Old 07-02-2012, 04:28
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Old 07-02-2012, 04:36
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yeah well they're succcessful too. but nowhere near madge.

janet well she got lucky to be near madge's talent.

britney was lucky to have been so successful as a teen.

beyonce was lucky to have had success with destiny's child and a find away to have had a successful solo career too and have a look and career that diana ross had.

celine is making money in vegas and sold alot of records in the 90's as she's the 2nd most successful recording artist behind madonna.

whitney was outselling madge in the 80's but she messed up her career with drugs so madge outsold her still.
mariah was lucky to have the voice that compared her to whitney's back in the 90's.
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Old 07-02-2012, 05:05
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i heard someone say yesterday that "Somewhere in the world Janet Jackson, Beyonce, Britney Spears, Celine Dion, Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey is sitting in a corner in their respective houses crying their eyes out and asking why they don't have Madonna's career!!!!"
I'd highly doubt any female artist you mentioned would cry over Madonna when they all have had huge amounts of success in their ownright. Madonna has been going since the early 80s and has become the top female in the world, however look at Britney and Beyonce, they all started late 90s and have become 2 of the biggest female superstars since then.

Collectively Madonna is the biggest female superstar in music, and I'm not knocking her but in this day and age she is not top of the game. She's got a new album coming out and she'll need to show why she is who she is, because you have people like Beyonce, Rihanna, Lady Gaga and Adele who are dominating the industry at the moment.
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Old 07-02-2012, 05:10
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I'd highly doubt any female artist you mentioned would cry over Madonna when they all have had huge amounts of success in their ownright. Madonna has been going since the early 80s and has become the top female in the world, however look at Britney and Beyonce, they all started late 90s and have become 2 of the biggest female superstars since then.

Collectively Madonna is the biggest female superstar in music, and I'm not knocking her but in this day and age she is not top of the game. She's got a new album coming out and she'll need to show why she is who she is, because you have people like Beyonce, Rihanna, Lady Gaga and Adele who are dominating the industry at the moment.
its a joke. i thought it was funny. i do know they have their own success but nowhere near madge's.
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Old 07-02-2012, 05:17
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its a joke. i thought it was funny. i do know they have their own success but nowhere near madge's.
ofcourse not, Madonna has been going a good 10 years before Britney and Beyonce. She will need to keep going and going to maintain that. People like Rihanna and Gaga who have been around for only a short number of years are accumulating some serious figures. Especially Gaga (I'm not trying to turn this gaga v madonna I'm not a fan of either lol) but she really does gather sales like it's nobodys business.

I'd say in years to come people will look back on Madonna for being the #1 female but she won't always be #1 because female artists are seriously slaying right now
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Old 07-02-2012, 05:24
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artists today are selling big volumes of singles which are making their total units sold look more impressive than they really are. adele is `slaying` in terms of albums sold, which is always more impressive in anyone`s rational opinion.
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Old 07-02-2012, 05:37
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yeah well they're succcessful too. but nowhere near madge.

janet well she got lucky to be near madge's talent.

britney was lucky to have been so successful as a teen.

beyonce was lucky to have had success with destiny's child and a find away to have had a successful solo career too and have a look and career that diana ross had.

celine is making money in vegas and sold alot of records in the 90's as she's the 2nd most successful recording artist behind madonna.

whitney was outselling madge in the 80's but she messed up her career with drugs so madge outsold her still.
mariah was lucky to have the voice that compared her to whitney's back in the 90's.
It doesn't matter. I'm sure they're more than greatful for what they have achieved...
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Old 07-02-2012, 10:20
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'I'd say in years to come people will look back on Madonna for being the #1 female but she won't always be #1 because female artists are seriously slaying right now'

Madonna hasn't had an album out for 4 years, it will be interesting to see how much the album sells. If she gets lets say 5 million sales for this album after a 30 year career. ill be mighty impressed. The pop charts are a younger market mainly so newer acts are a given to get better sales anyway.
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Old 07-02-2012, 10:25
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The last time Madonna had an album that sold as many copies as '21' was the mid 80s. 26 years ago. In an era when albums sold in far vaster numbers than they do now. So that's probably one artist who won't be crying into her cornflakes this morning.
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Old 07-02-2012, 10:39
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The last time Madonna had an album that sold as many copies as '21' was the mid 80s. 26 years ago. In an era when albums sold in far vaster numbers than they do now. So that's probably one artist who won't be crying into her cornflakes this morning.
Ya but let's see her sell 250 million and break records touring.
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Old 07-02-2012, 10:46
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Ya but let's see her sell 250 million and break records touring.

Of course she won't because I'm assuming she wouldn't want to be still performing in 30 years' time! It takes a 'different' kind of person to actually want the attention for that long. Nice to see you aren't disagreeing with my fact, though. Have to admit I found it surprising when I looked it up.
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Old 07-02-2012, 11:00
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I'm sure they are probably more jealous of Nicki and MIA that they got chosen to be Madonna's own little cheerleading squad
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Old 07-02-2012, 11:06
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i heard someone say yesterday that "Somewhere in the world Janet Jackson, Beyonce, Britney Spears, Celine Dion, Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey is sitting in a corner in their respective houses crying their eyes out and asking why they don't have Madonna's career!!!!"
None of them-they have all been phenomenally successful in their own right-Whitney may be weeping but for the reasons that has nothing to do with Madonna.

Celine Dion is on contract (or was) in Las Vega for $$$$ millions-you can bet though if she announces a tour here it will set out.
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Old 07-02-2012, 11:07
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In this instance my feelings are they want to emulate rather than have it and the only ones that have are.

Kylie Minogue 60 million sales (without even being big in the US) and sell out and hyped up world tours and releases.

Britney has come quite close but stumbles and falls alot

it's not worth mentionig gaga we all have our opinions

But not really there is one madonna and thats that
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Old 07-02-2012, 11:12
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Well there is only one Madonna....if you want to be jealous, thats your own silly fault.

So many strong female artists achieve their own success. Madonna has the drive and dedication to her music and art to continue 30 years into her career! Many who have faces constant criticism, backlashes, attacks for their art, messages, performances, songs would have perhaps given up before they started....but Madonna always pushes that envelope and with that has millions and millions inspired and influenced by her...check out tweets by those so many celebs on twitter at her Super Bowl....i mean she was there when they were kids/teens and is there now still. It is admirable and inspiring.

And we have Britney, Kylie, gaga, Rihanna, Adele, Lana Del Rey, Flroence Welch, so so so many female artists that bring their own too and have had their own successes On a different level and scale.

It isnt just about music sales, records broken...its about the music, the performance, the entertainment, the spectacle and everything that goes with it...and if you can still really deliver....then by all means you are a success
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Old 07-02-2012, 12:09
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'I'd say in years to come people will look back on Madonna for being the #1 female but she won't always be #1 because female artists are seriously slaying right now'

Madonna hasn't had an album out for 4 years, it will be interesting to see how much the album sells. If she gets lets say 5 million sales for this album after a 30 year career. ill be mighty impressed. The pop charts are a younger market mainly so newer acts are a given to get better sales anyway.
Her new album achieved pre-sale orders of 2 and a half million.....in downloads alone. I think it is not OTT to suggest that MDNA album sales will be in excess of 10 million.
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Old 07-02-2012, 12:19
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Her new album achieved pre-sale orders of 2 and a half million.....in downloads alone. I think it is not OTT to suggest that MDNA album sales will be in excess of 10 million.
No matter how well it sells the music will be kick ass.

But yeah 2.4 million i think i read...official pre-sales will be announced later this week i would think. But damn that is great going considering that is just a fraction of her fanbase that has ordered it!

I and Wizzywick are more physical members of the fanbase the more grander scale.

But I agree, if MDNA sold around 5 million copies this time next year then by damn that would be amazing....But i also believe that more can be achieved too. We will see. But all i know is that the first month of release is gonna be a massive one!
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Old 07-02-2012, 12:32
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Speaking for Britney I don't think she ever wanted or expected the success she achieved, her family were hoping for a top 40 hit with baby one more time and it just blew up. Obviously as she got more success she strived for more success and carried on pushing herself, but I don't think she's ever been the type to go out "compete" with other singers. Even now while every other female out there is trying to out-GaGa GaGa but Britney is still doing her thing.

I don't think she needs to have a Madonna esque career because she's never been a Madonna esque artist. Beyoncé probably will want to top Madonna one day, you just know in 30 years she'll probably still be owning a stage somewhere.

My friend put it perfectly the other day Beyoncé is Elizabeth Taylor and Britney is Marilyn Monroe. Both have already secured their legacies now its about just adding to it.

I don't worry about Britney's success and legend. Plus, there is this overwhelming feeling that she'll be dead soon, which is too chic to handle right now.
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Old 07-02-2012, 12:40
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Madonna is a legend. But gosh, that performance at Superbowl just make me think that sometimes it's way better to rest on your laurels. Awful.
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Old 07-02-2012, 12:41
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Speaking for Britney I don't think she ever wanted or expected the success she achieved, her family were hoping for a top 40 hit with baby one more time and it just blew up. Obviously as she got more success she strived for more success and carried on pushing herself, but I don't think she's ever been the type to go out "compete" with other singers. Even now while every other female out there is trying to out-GaGa GaGa but Britney is still doing her thing.

I don't think she needs to have a Madonna esque career because she's never been a Madonna esque artist. Beyoncé probably will want to top Madonna one day, you just know in 30 years she'll probably still be owning a stage somewhere.

My friend put it perfectly the other day Beyoncé is Elizabeth Taylor and Britney is Marilyn Monroe. Both have already secured their legacies now its about just adding to it.

I don't worry about Britney's success and legend. Plus, there is this overwhelming feeling that she'll be dead soon, which is too chic to handle right now.
Wow! Coming from you this post is excellent. Not sure about everyone trying to outdo gaga as Lady Gaga has her own unique style that all the artists probably wouldn't want because it is different from their way of doing things.

Is Beyonce really as big outside the US that people claim?

I'm not convinced. I do recognise Gaga as a massive superstar, possibly the only pop star in the same calibre as Madonna, which is why there are so many Madonna vs. Gaga threads/posts. With Celine Dion, her peak has occurred. Whilst albums Falling Into You, Let's Talk About Love were huge, others since have not sparked the flame that these two did.

I think the only female star capable of beating Madonna's record is Lady Gaga. Why? Because all the other artists mainly stick to the same style of music. Music tastes change. Only Madonna and Gaga have the noticeable ability to adapt with it. But Gaga has a long way to go.
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Old 07-02-2012, 12:42
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Speaking for Britney I don't think she ever wanted or expected the success she achieved, her family were hoping for a top 40 hit with baby one more time and it just blew up. Obviously as she got more success she strived for more success and carried on pushing herself, but I don't think she's ever been the type to go out "compete" with other singers. Even now while every other female out there is trying to out-GaGa GaGa but Britney is still doing her thing.

I don't think she needs to have a Madonna esque career because she's never been a Madonna esque artist. Beyoncé probably will want to top Madonna one day, you just know in 30 years she'll probably still be owning a stage somewhere.

My friend put it perfectly the other day Beyoncé is Elizabeth Taylor and Britney is Marilyn Monroe. Both have already secured their legacies now its about just adding to it.

I don't worry about Britney's success and legend. Plus, there is this overwhelming feeling that she'll be dead soon, which is too chic to handle right now.


Why do you keep going on about Britney dying.

A few years ago, I could understand it but it now just seems strange considering she is back to her old self and is happy again/in full health. It's weird how you seem to be hoping for her to die young so that she has the "Marilyn Monroe tragic superstar" status!!!
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Old 07-02-2012, 13:03
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Why do you keep going on about Britney dying.

A few years ago, I could understand it but it now just seems strange considering she is back to her old self and is happy again/in full health. It's weird how you seem to be hoping for her to die young so that she has the "Marilyn Monroe tragic superstar" status!!!
How dare you? I do not want Britney to die, I'm just not convinced that she's as well as her team like to make out. If she's back to her best why is she still under a conservatorship?

As for that post go back and read it again...I assume you can read...I said there is an "overwhelming feeling", meaning a lot of people still think of her as a tragic figure in pop culture. Go to any article about her in a newspaper people still write inane comments like "she's still dead behind the eyes" etc. Most of my friends still think she's "crazy" not from her actions but because of inaction, they just haven't seen hair or hide from her since she was at the 2008 VMAs. She's in the highest tour of a metaphorical fortress, she's done nothing to show us that she is a sane woman in control of her facilties.

If she did a big, honest, deep interview that talked about everything from the start to her upcoming marriage, it would generate a lot of interest and people will know where she's at.

In that post I never suggested she would be dead in the next few years, but for the general public that's the feeling and there is always interest in tragic figures like that.

Please engage your brain next time!
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Old 07-02-2012, 13:05
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I wish a certain somebody would shut it! His deluded ramblings really spoil the thread.
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Old 07-02-2012, 13:14
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Is Beyonce really as big outside the US that people claim?
Pretty much for an r&b star. She is massive in Brazil and South Korea in particular, I mean all her singles have been top 3 in S.Korea, and I dont mean naff sales, I mean 100k whilst at the top spot. And album tracks were charting high on the main chart. She is a big star, and her music sells well. However, compared to her other contemporaries, she sells ok but doesnt do as much global promo, mainly US stuff, and the odd european trip. Keeps costs down.

Its odd, like adele is massive globally, but has literally no fanbase in Japan (21 only reached #53 in the album charts...no idea why). Funny how the wikipedia editor took Japan out of the charts to make it look perfect lol...everywhere is a top 5 album bar 1 or 2 countries and then there is Japan at 53 spoiling things...but thats by the by.

Check Beyonce's wiki page under discography as proof. She sold about 4m of her debut in the US and 1.4m here, and sold about 6m WW. To say most places except Brazil only sell around 500k, thats pretty good for albums. I think it was mostly Crazy In Love that did the work, it was a massive hit worldwide.
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