Your Vision of the future?

MostynDS · 07-02-2012, 20:30

It would appear from what we've learnt in recent threads that there will be no free upgrade to YouView (if it happens) for Vision customers.

Everything seemed to indicate that BT were going to let Vision die and forget about it.

Many people expected BT to run down Vision as they had no content of their own to attract people with.

But last week. They signed a big deal with Mirrormax. Why? OK. Mirrormax is a small player, but WhyTF did BT do it?

Is there hope for Vision yet?

ThriceShy · 07-02-2012, 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by MostynDS

It would appear from what we've learnt in recent threads that there will be no free upgrade to YouView (if it happens) for Vision customers.

Everything seemed to indicate that BT were going to let Vision die and forget about it.

Many people expected BT to run down Vision as they had no content of their own to attract people with.

But last week. They signed a big deal with Mirrormax. Why? OK. Mirrormax is a small player, but WhyTF did BT do it?

Is there hope for Vision yet?

What exactly indicated that they would let vision die?

Everything in the last few years has indicated the opposite. Like adding sky sports for example.

wwwebber · 07-02-2012, 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

What exactly indicated that they would let vision die?

Everything in the last few years has indicated the opposite. Like adding sky sports for example.

Its just his opinion and nothing else. He was wrong about sky sports not coming btv and he'll be wrong to doubt the arrival of youview too.

stewM · 07-02-2012, 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by MostynDS

Everything seemed to indicate that BT were going to let Vision die and forget about it.

Many people expected BT to run down Vision as they had no content of their own to attract people with.

You serious? Nah ya foolin'

Arthur's Finest · 07-02-2012, 22:59

I think the future for vision is the same as it always has been.

Bleak...

Btw this thread has got train wreck all over it!

scotty2808 · 08-02-2012, 09:40

Vision is going no where.

The latest info on developments show this. The switch away from Microsoft Media room is the first part of the overhaul. In a short space of time this conversation will move from "what do you want" to "what do you think of"

DeanDS · 08-02-2012, 10:06

Where does it say there will be no free upgrades? Although I find it strange that they are upgrading the boxes prior to the launch of YouView which the boxes will not support. Is this what is leading people to think there will be no free upgrades?
I've not seen anything to indicate people thought BTVision would run down though.

infinidim · 08-02-2012, 16:31

Has anybody thought why BT is moving away from the Microsoft platform to a Linux based platform.....other than costs

How about this for a thought - YouView is based on Linux so how about releasing BT Vision and YouView on the same hardware platform - you then get the best of both worlds.

It's just a thought....

Infinidim

Megadodo Publications
Ursa Minor Beta

DeanDS · 08-02-2012, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by infinidim

Has anybody thought why BT is moving away from the Microsoft platform to a Linux based platform.....other than costs

How about this for a thought - YouView is based on Linux so how about releasing BT Vision and YouView on the same hardware platform - you then get the best of both worlds.

It's just a thought....

Infinidim

Megadodo Publications
Ursa Minor Beta

But, as far as I am aware, the current boxes are not Freeview HD compatible, so Freeview HD requires a new box. It could be though that they are using current boxes to "test" the software. Although as someone has pointed out it is pretty ballsy to change the OS on all the boxes.

MostynDS · 08-02-2012, 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by stewM

You serious? Nah ya foolin'

Heh. Well I must admit that I'm playing devil's advocate to try to stimulate a bit of debate in a forum that's been ravaged in recent years.

MostynDS · 08-02-2012, 21:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthur's Finest

I think the future for vision is the same as it always has been.

Bleak...

Btw this thread has got train wreck all over it!

Agreed, but not if we don't react to him.

MostynDS · 08-02-2012, 21:17

I only throw these things up for discussion. But, it would appear that the current BTV STBs are not YouView compatible on a hardware basis. So cannot be upgraded via a firmware upgrade.

It also seems that BT is intent on providing a firmware upgrade to existing BTV boxes.

So. Are you with me here?

BT are indicating (to me) that they are intent on developing BTV for existing customers (+ any new ones they can get) for as long as they can on the existing hardware.

Meantime they can sit back and benefit from the revenue they will get from the content providers who choose to trade via YouView and traverse their network.

So no, not much sign of a free YouView box for BTV customers in my opinion.

But hey, it's only my opinion. It means nothing in the whole scheme of things. I've been wrong before. Perhaps I'm wrong now...

stewM · 08-02-2012, 22:04

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Originally Posted by MostynDS

So no, not much sign of a free YouView box for BTV customers in my opinion.

Hmmm.........this latest update (replacing windows platform), seems to indicate that they are updating the existing boxes with what is the Youview platform. The Vision Box though doesn't comply with the Youview spec. as it won't have HD tuners. Unless of course they may start transmitting HD channels over the internet - then it would comply?

Perhaps new boxes with HD tuners would be available to new customers or existing with a fee, like upgrading Hubs for a fee?

Whatever is going to happen, it just seems to be dragging on!

MostynDS · 08-02-2012, 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by stewM

Hmmm.........this latest update (replacing windows platform), seems to indicate that they are updating the existing boxes with what is the Youview platform. The Vision Box though doesn't comply with the Youview spec. as it won't have HD tuners. Unless of course they may start transmitting HD channels over the internet - then it would comply?

I think we both know it wouldn't...

Quote:

Originally Posted by stewM

Perhaps new boxes with HD tuners would be available to new customers or existing with a fee, like upgrading Hubs for a fee?

More likely. Free up(?)grades seem very unlikely now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by stewM

Whatever is going to happen, it just seems to be dragging on!

Agreed. not helping BT at all...

Arthur's Finest · 08-02-2012, 23:33

Isn't there general antipathy towards the TV market?

outside of Sky and Virgin of course.

What is the point of YouView?

None..?

With Netflix, Apple, MS, Love Fillm etc all doing VOD (and all better than BT) what is BT's win here??

Bearing in mind the almost complete failure of BTV and the number of years we are down the track??

Surely they should concentrate on charging for content delivery with their shiny new fibre lines?

Why get involved with the actual content when they have none worth watching....?

Madness..

swedish cook · 09-02-2012, 07:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthur's Finest

...
What is the point of YouView?

None..?

With Netflix, Apple, MS, Love Fillm etc all doing VOD (and all better than BT) what is BT's win here??

....

You missed what youview is and the brewing problem.

As a consumer you're now bombarded with "Smart" devices, some do LoveFilm some Netflix, the majority of them will not cope with new services or changes . The number of different devices drives up the cost of service and far from adding to consumer choice it gives them a compatability problem.

YouView is a STANDARD, once it becomes embedded in the market the choice for the consumer becomes simple - you want a Freeview PVR with access to all VOD services, buy a machine that implements the Youview standard.

You wouldn't buy HD DVD now would you - Bluray is the standard, doesn't matter if it is better/worse, its the agreed standard. Same will apply to Youview.

DeanDS · 09-02-2012, 09:18

Youview does seem at least in theory a nice idea, for instance I'd love it if NFL Gamepass was available via it. It does however, rely on getting a lot of people (i.e. content) on board, if they can do that, then they are in a good position to attract customers. It may be that BT will supply free boxes to certain levels of subscriptions/commitment, it does seem that given Youview is due to launch prior to the Olympics, that upgrading current boxes only to replace them very soon would be a waste.

ThriceShy · 09-02-2012, 09:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

What exactly indicated that they would let vision die?

Everything in the last few years has indicated the opposite. Like adding sky sports for example.

Also MostynDS, what do you think of this?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...y-tv-customers

intercept · 10-02-2012, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Also MostynDS, what do you think of this?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...y-tv-customers

That was before Christmas, the latest quarter has been similar:

And BT Vision, another roughly 40,000 net adds on top of the 40,000 the quarter before, so again, doing well.

Click here for source

intercept · 10-02-2012, 12:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by stewM

The Vision Box though doesn't comply with the Youview spec. as it won't have HD tuners. Unless of course they may start transmitting HD channels over the internet - then it would comply?

It wouldn't make the Vision box comply to the Youview hardware spec but it would deliver the Freeview HD channels (and more) to customers with fast enough broadband to get streamed HD.

Quote:

Originally Posted by stewM

Perhaps new boxes with HD tuners would be available to new customers or existing with a fee, like upgrading Hubs for a fee?

That seems a possible scenario.

wwwebber · 10-02-2012, 14:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by intercept

It wouldn't make the Vision box comply to the Youview hardware spec but it would deliver the Freeview HD channels (and more) to customers with fast enough broadband to get streamed HD.

That seems a possible scenario.

Potentially - there's alot that's not known right now. What I would suggest though is that Freeview HD will not be streamed - there's no point but I do agree regarding other HD content such as films, sport & new channels etc.

Also, I've just dumped Netflix, it was a pile of pants after I'd watched the few films that appealed and hadnt already seen. This contradicts Pure Genius's (yes , sussed you out ages ago) argument. I went ahead and watched a couple of HD films on BTV instead. Not cheap but very fast & convenient.

sonofdavid · 11-02-2012, 01:00

The op is a Troll, please do not feed it.

stewM · 11-02-2012, 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofdavid

The op is a Troll, please do not feed it.

...because his opinions differ from yours?

sonofdavid · 11-02-2012, 11:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by stewM

...because his opinions differ from yours?

Perhaps my use the term 'Troll' was a bit strong and I apologise in advance to MostynDS for labelling you as such - you are not a Troll..
That said, some of the posts by MostynDS seem designed to provoke a reaction on this sub-forum. I do agree with some of the points made but feel that at times he (or she) is being a wee bit mischievous.

wwwebber · 11-02-2012, 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofdavid

Perhaps my use the term 'Troll' was a bit strong and I apologise in advance to MostynDS for labelling you as such - you are not a Troll..
That said, some of the posts by MostynDS seem designed to provoke a reaction on this sub-forum. I do agree with some of the points made but feel that at times he (or she) is being a wee bit mischievous.

Agreed. I find the fixation of constantly putting btv down by certain posters a little bit weird. As if trying to score points against a service is gonna get you anywhere lol. But hey, if they've got the time then so be it, got better things to do myself.

07-02-2012, 20:30	#1
MostynDS Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 773	Your Vision of the future? It would appear from what we've learnt in recent threads that there will be no free upgrade to YouView (if it happens) for Vision customers. Everything seemed to indicate that BT were going to let Vision die and forget about it. Many people expected BT to run down Vision as they had no content of their own to attract people with. But last week. They signed a big deal with Mirrormax. Why? OK. Mirrormax is a small player, but WhyTF did BT do it? Is there hope for Vision yet?

07-02-2012, 20:46	#2
ThriceShy Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,471	Quote: Originally Posted by MostynDS It would appear from what we've learnt in recent threads that there will be no free upgrade to YouView (if it happens) for Vision customers. Everything seemed to indicate that BT were going to let Vision die and forget about it. Many people expected BT to run down Vision as they had no content of their own to attract people with. But last week. They signed a big deal with Mirrormax. Why? OK. Mirrormax is a small player, but WhyTF did BT do it? Is there hope for Vision yet? What exactly indicated that they would let vision die? Everything in the last few years has indicated the opposite. Like adding sky sports for example.

07-02-2012, 21:45	#3
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by ThriceShy What exactly indicated that they would let vision die? Everything in the last few years has indicated the opposite. Like adding sky sports for example. Its just his opinion and nothing else. He was wrong about sky sports not coming btv and he'll be wrong to doubt the arrival of youview too.

07-02-2012, 21:50	#4
stewM Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Saddleworth Posts: 288	Quote: Originally Posted by MostynDS Everything seemed to indicate that BT were going to let Vision die and forget about it. Many people expected BT to run down Vision as they had no content of their own to attract people with. You serious? Nah ya foolin'

07-02-2012, 22:59	#5
Arthur's Finest Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 30	I think the future for vision is the same as it always has been. Bleak... Btw this thread has got train wreck all over it!

08-02-2012, 09:40	#6
scotty2808 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 435	Vision is going no where. The latest info on developments show this. The switch away from Microsoft Media room is the first part of the overhaul. In a short space of time this conversation will move from "what do you want" to "what do you think of"

08-02-2012, 10:06	#7
DeanDS Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oxford Posts: 1,564	Where does it say there will be no free upgrades? Although I find it strange that they are upgrading the boxes prior to the launch of YouView which the boxes will not support. Is this what is leading people to think there will be no free upgrades? I've not seen anything to indicate people thought BTVision would run down though.

08-02-2012, 16:31	#8
infinidim Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: FAREHAM, UK Posts: 341	Has anybody thought why BT is moving away from the Microsoft platform to a Linux based platform.....other than costs How about this for a thought - YouView is based on Linux so how about releasing BT Vision and YouView on the same hardware platform - you then get the best of both worlds. It's just a thought.... Infinidim Megadodo Publications Ursa Minor Beta

08-02-2012, 17:06	#9
DeanDS Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oxford Posts: 1,564	Quote: Originally Posted by infinidim Has anybody thought why BT is moving away from the Microsoft platform to a Linux based platform.....other than costs How about this for a thought - YouView is based on Linux so how about releasing BT Vision and YouView on the same hardware platform - you then get the best of both worlds. It's just a thought.... Infinidim Megadodo Publications Ursa Minor Beta But, as far as I am aware, the current boxes are not Freeview HD compatible, so Freeview HD requires a new box. It could be though that they are using current boxes to "test" the software. Although as someone has pointed out it is pretty ballsy to change the OS on all the boxes.

08-02-2012, 20:58	#10
MostynDS Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 773	Quote: Originally Posted by stewM You serious? Nah ya foolin' Heh. Well I must admit that I'm playing devil's advocate to try to stimulate a bit of debate in a forum that's been ravaged in recent years.

08-02-2012, 21:01	#11
MostynDS Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 773	Quote: Originally Posted by Arthur's Finest I think the future for vision is the same as it always has been. Bleak... Btw this thread has got train wreck all over it! Agreed, but not if we don't react to him.

08-02-2012, 21:17	#12
MostynDS Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 773	I only throw these things up for discussion. But, it would appear that the current BTV STBs are not YouView compatible on a hardware basis. So cannot be upgraded via a firmware upgrade. It also seems that BT is intent on providing a firmware upgrade to existing BTV boxes. So. Are you with me here? BT are indicating (to me) that they are intent on developing BTV for existing customers (+ any new ones they can get) for as long as they can on the existing hardware. Meantime they can sit back and benefit from the revenue they will get from the content providers who choose to trade via YouView and traverse their network. So no, not much sign of a free YouView box for BTV customers in my opinion. But hey, it's only my opinion. It means nothing in the whole scheme of things. I've been wrong before. Perhaps I'm wrong now...

08-02-2012, 22:04	#13
stewM Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Saddleworth Posts: 288	Quote: Originally Posted by MostynDS So no, not much sign of a free YouView box for BTV customers in my opinion. Hmmm.........this latest update (replacing windows platform), seems to indicate that they are updating the existing boxes with what is the Youview platform. The Vision Box though doesn't comply with the Youview spec. as it won't have HD tuners. Unless of course they may start transmitting HD channels over the internet - then it would comply? Perhaps new boxes with HD tuners would be available to new customers or existing with a fee, like upgrading Hubs for a fee? Whatever is going to happen, it just seems to be dragging on!

08-02-2012, 22:32	#14
MostynDS Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 773	Quote: Originally Posted by stewM Hmmm.........this latest update (replacing windows platform), seems to indicate that they are updating the existing boxes with what is the Youview platform. The Vision Box though doesn't comply with the Youview spec. as it won't have HD tuners. Unless of course they may start transmitting HD channels over the internet - then it would comply? I think we both know it wouldn't... Quote: Originally Posted by stewM Perhaps new boxes with HD tuners would be available to new customers or existing with a fee, like upgrading Hubs for a fee? More likely. Free up(?)grades seem very unlikely now. Quote: Originally Posted by stewM Whatever is going to happen, it just seems to be dragging on! Agreed. not helping BT at all...

08-02-2012, 23:33	#15
Arthur's Finest Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 30	Isn't there general antipathy towards the TV market? outside of Sky and Virgin of course. What is the point of YouView? None..? With Netflix, Apple, MS, Love Fillm etc all doing VOD (and all better than BT) what is BT's win here?? Bearing in mind the almost complete failure of BTV and the number of years we are down the track?? Surely they should concentrate on charging for content delivery with their shiny new fibre lines? Why get involved with the actual content when they have none worth watching....? Madness..

09-02-2012, 07:55	#16
swedish cook Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 821	Quote: Originally Posted by Arthur's Finest ... What is the point of YouView? None..? With Netflix, Apple, MS, Love Fillm etc all doing VOD (and all better than BT) what is BT's win here?? .... You missed what youview is and the brewing problem. As a consumer you're now bombarded with "Smart" devices, some do LoveFilm some Netflix, the majority of them will not cope with new services or changes . The number of different devices drives up the cost of service and far from adding to consumer choice it gives them a compatability problem. YouView is a STANDARD, once it becomes embedded in the market the choice for the consumer becomes simple - you want a Freeview PVR with access to all VOD services, buy a machine that implements the Youview standard. You wouldn't buy HD DVD now would you - Bluray is the standard, doesn't matter if it is better/worse, its the agreed standard. Same will apply to Youview.

09-02-2012, 09:18	#17
DeanDS Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oxford Posts: 1,564	Youview does seem at least in theory a nice idea, for instance I'd love it if NFL Gamepass was available via it. It does however, rely on getting a lot of people (i.e. content) on board, if they can do that, then they are in a good position to attract customers. It may be that BT will supply free boxes to certain levels of subscriptions/commitment, it does seem that given Youview is due to launch prior to the Olympics, that upgrading current boxes only to replace them very soon would be a waste.

09-02-2012, 09:27	#18
ThriceShy Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,471	Quote: Originally Posted by ThriceShy What exactly indicated that they would let vision die? Everything in the last few years has indicated the opposite. Like adding sky sports for example. Also MostynDS, what do you think of this? http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...y-tv-customers

10-02-2012, 12:49	#19
intercept Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 311	Quote: Originally Posted by ThriceShy Also MostynDS, what do you think of this? http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...y-tv-customers That was before Christmas, the latest quarter has been similar: And BT Vision, another roughly 40,000 net adds on top of the 40,000 the quarter before, so again, doing well. Click here for source

10-02-2012, 12:57	#20
intercept Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 311	Quote: Originally Posted by stewM The Vision Box though doesn't comply with the Youview spec. as it won't have HD tuners. Unless of course they may start transmitting HD channels over the internet - then it would comply? It wouldn't make the Vision box comply to the Youview hardware spec but it would deliver the Freeview HD channels (and more) to customers with fast enough broadband to get streamed HD. Quote: Originally Posted by stewM Perhaps new boxes with HD tuners would be available to new customers or existing with a fee, like upgrading Hubs for a fee? That seems a possible scenario.

10-02-2012, 14:10	#21
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by intercept It wouldn't make the Vision box comply to the Youview hardware spec but it would deliver the Freeview HD channels (and more) to customers with fast enough broadband to get streamed HD. That seems a possible scenario. Potentially - there's alot that's not known right now. What I would suggest though is that Freeview HD will not be streamed - there's no point but I do agree regarding other HD content such as films, sport & new channels etc. Also, I've just dumped Netflix, it was a pile of pants after I'd watched the few films that appealed and hadnt already seen. This contradicts Pure Genius's (yes , sussed you out ages ago) argument. I went ahead and watched a couple of HD films on BTV instead. Not cheap but very fast & convenient.

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11-02-2012, 01:00	#22
sonofdavid Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Ayrshire Posts: 420	The op is a Troll, please do not feed it.

11-02-2012, 09:28	#23
stewM Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Saddleworth Posts: 288	Quote: Originally Posted by sonofdavid The op is a Troll, please do not feed it. ...because his opinions differ from yours?

11-02-2012, 11:11	#24
sonofdavid Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Ayrshire Posts: 420	Quote: Originally Posted by stewM ...because his opinions differ from yours? Perhaps my use the term 'Troll' was a bit strong and I apologise in advance to MostynDS for labelling you as such - you are not a Troll.. That said, some of the posts by MostynDS seem designed to provoke a reaction on this sub-forum. I do agree with some of the points made but feel that at times he (or she) is being a wee bit mischievous.

11-02-2012, 11:25	#25
wwwebber Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 3,536	Quote: Originally Posted by sonofdavid Perhaps my use the term 'Troll' was a bit strong and I apologise in advance to MostynDS for labelling you as such - you are not a Troll.. That said, some of the posts by MostynDS seem designed to provoke a reaction on this sub-forum. I do agree with some of the points made but feel that at times he (or she) is being a wee bit mischievous. Agreed. I find the fixation of constantly putting btv down by certain posters a little bit weird. As if trying to score points against a service is gonna get you anywhere lol. But hey, if they've got the time then so be it, got better things to do myself.