[JasonWatkins]

Originally Posted by Woodentop

Thank you again. Since the trial and England job, we are in relegation form. He has upset the already fragile numpties.

Today's result means 1 defeat in 6 games. Hardly relegation form IMO ..

Sure, we could do with turning some draws into wins but to say we're in relegation form is a bit of an over exaggeration.

And i'm one of the first people to moan if we've lost ...

[BigBmad]

Originally Posted by JasonWatkins

Today's result means 1 defeat in 6 games. Hardly relegation form IMO ..

Sure, we could do with turning some draws into wins but to say we're in relegation form is a bit of an over exaggeration.

And i'm one of the first people to moan if we've lost ...

Well yous are bottom 3 in the form table

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/m...orm-guide.html

[Pee]

Originally Posted by Deep Purple

Okay, but before I go, did Norwich play as well as SSN are saying?

I wasn't watching SSN, but they played well

[Pee]

It's 1 win (and 5 points?) in 8. That can't be that much better than Liverpool's current form, and everyone (except the ex-Liverpool media) has been quick to criticise.

edit: actually I've just heard it's 3 wins in 13.

[Woodentop]

Originally Posted by Knarf44

What this result shows up again is the lack of mental toughness that still exists throughout our squad. As I have said previously on here when some were predicting us solidifying our third place because we had the "easier" run in, all of those so called weaker teams than us will all fancy their chances at beating us.

Norwich proved the point again today that if you get at us, nick an early goal and keep pummelling our back 4 we will crack.

Unfortunately, mental toughness is not something that can be instilled into a player, they either have it or they don't. This current squad has promised a lot this season but are now starting to prove that they don't have the mental ability to fight for the right to become a top team. When you have players who are frightened to compete, dig in and achieve results through sheer determination, you'll never achieve anything.

As you can tell I'm very disappointed by today's result.

Well spoken. You are like minded in your assessment. The mindset was disturbed by the selfishness of the Manager and wish for acclaim. Sadly this performance since may result in him not achieving his aim and if we retain his services, significant adjustment to the psyche must be implented, along with strengthening on the park in many areas.

[Woodentop]

Originally Posted by BigBmad

Well yous are bottom 3 in the form table

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/m...orm-guide.html

It's what I had been trying to draw attention to, so thanks for demonstrating it.

[Deep Purple]

Originally Posted by Pee

I wasn't watching SSN, but they played well

Originally Posted by Pee

It's 1 win (and 5 points?) in 8. That can't be that much better than Liverpool's current form, and everyone (except the ex-Liverpool media) has been quick to criticise.

edit: actually I've just heard it's 3 wins in 13.

Thank you for the confirmation that Norwich played well. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up, and accept the other team were better.

We are not as good as we were earlier in the season, but we are not that much worse, certainly not at the Liverpool level.

What we have done is go back to last seasons problems, whereby we are not scoring enough.

We were playing this system earlier in the season, and doing well. Parker made a huge impact in that. He wasn't there today, and sadly Ledley is not as effective as he was, but we are struggling in that Dept too.

Losing a couple of our best players has an effect.

[Steve AWOL]

Just back home from the game, absolutely gutted to witness such an abject performance by us. No heart, no passion, got what we deserved which was nothing.

Very sad to see Ledley play so badly, ever since the City game he has looked like a pale shadow of his former self and maybe it's time for him to quite playing.

Saha was totally anonymous again, what happened to the player who helped tear Newcastle apart?

Really missed Parker and Gallas' leadership qualities today.

[Pee]

I'm sorry...better team won??? We weren't playing Real Madrid at the Bernabeu, it was bloody Norwich at home. they're a promoted team with 4 away wins all season. they are not anywhere NEAR as good as us, why were they allowed to be the better team? THAT'S what we need to be asking. we've won 1 in 8, and every single time you have an explanation. we're not as good as Team A, we were unlucky against Team B, Team C beat Team A before, Team D were better on the day...and on and on...

we're really gonna use the injuries excuse now? REALLY? we had Lennon, Bale, Modric, Van der Vaart, Defoe, and Adebayor all on the pitch at once at one point, and we're gonna cite injuries? at home against Norwich?

Spurs manager Harry Redknapp after his side's defeat to Norwich:

"Credit to them as I think they deserved it. We were disappointing. I changed the system to 4-4-2 and we were too open. I thought they bullied us a little bit. It was a difficult day for the boys at the back. It was a bad day but we have to pick ourselves up."

pretty much sums up today for me. and yet he did nothing to change it.

[Woodentop]

Redknapp is getting good at stating the bleeding obvious and is sounding not much like a manager, but someone who knows not what to do.

It's a shambles and to think we'll beat Chelsea and win the cup! April fools has past, but every Saturday, it's groundhog day.

[soulboy77]

Well I'm in shock at how awful we were today, words fail me.

Just hoping that Jol's Fulham can get a result against Chelsea which would mean that this Bank Holiday weekend isn't a total write off for us.

[Deep Purple]

Originally Posted by Pee

I'm sorry...better team won??? We weren't playing Real Madrid at the Bernabeu, it was bloody Norwich at home. they're a promoted team with 4 away wins all season. they are not anywhere NEAR as good as us, why were they allowed to be the better team? THAT'S what we need to be asking. we've won 1 in 8, and every single time you have an explanation. we're not as good as Team A, we were unlucky against Team B, Team C beat Team A before, Team D were better on the day...and on and on...

we're really gonna use the injuries excuse now? REALLY? we had Lennon, Bale, Modric, Van der Vaart, Defoe, and Adebayor all on the pitch at once at one point, and we're gonna cite injuries? at home against Norwich?

pretty much sums up today for me. and yet he did nothing to change it.

I didn't realise the best team on paper always wins. I must remember that.

Of course we should have won today, and the players on the pitch are the ones who should have done it.

Anyone who has ever played football knows that all manner of factors affect an outcome though.

Maybe I dont get as emotional as I used to about it, but helps avoid the feeling that you're world beaters one month, and rubbish a month later.

You were talking up Man City 3 weeks ago. Look at them now.

It's football.

[Pee]

I'm gonna ignore anything else you have to say on this topic until you've at least watched the game. we were rubbish, and allowed a Norwich team with nothing to play for to be better than us at a time when we're supposed to be fighting for a Champions League spot. there is absolutely no excuse, no matter how many you attempt to trot out.

far from talking up Man City, I said they were the only ones with a better squad than us, but I thought our first XI was on a par with theirs. they've also got a crap manager, hence why they can throw away an 8 point lead with one of the most expensively assembled squads in football history to now be trailing possibly the most average Man U side of modern times by 8 points.

you've so far talked up every single team we've not been able to get a result against.

[Deep Purple]

Chelsea only managed a draw, and the officials won them the game on Saturday, so they're not so great either.

Newcastle and Arsenal are winning at the moment, and the experts always tell us that a winning run breeds confidence, and gives a team that little extra.

We had that earlier, and that element has gone now.

Despite some saying we have a hopeless manager, and that we're crap, we're still 4th.

That aint bad at this stahe of the season. I support Spurs, and will give them support when I can. I dont go in for all this crap when we dont win.

I can moan, but I wont join in with doom and gloom when we're 4th in the table.

I dread to think what some members were like 10 years ago.

[Pee]

cool. so you're the Ultimate Fan. it still doesn't give you the right to lecture others on what they can and can't say after a game. there isn't one single way of supporting a club, and being critical doesn't mean you're any less a supporter than someone who insists on seeing only the positives in everything. this holier-than-thou schtick is annoying.

I don't mind that we both have a different point of view, and I certainly don't mind debating those points of view with you, but what I'm not going to respond to any longer is constantly being challenged for having a view you don't agree with.

[Steve AWOL]

Originally Posted by soulboy77

Well I'm in shock at how awful we were today, words fail me.

Just hoping that Jol's Fulham can get a result against Chelsea which would mean that this Bank Holiday weekend isn't a total write off for us.

Having spent 2 hours travelling to White Hart Lane and getting soaked in the process I was looking forward to seeing some good football but that performance today was an embarrassment and I'm not surprised that there was a chorus of boos as the players left the pitch.

At least Lennon had the decency to admit that the players didn't do a good enough job today and I can only hope that they have a frank talk with the coaching staff this week to turn things around before our season falls apart, as if this run of bad form continues we could end up without any European football next season.

Twitter / @AaronLennonpsl: No excuses we wasn't good enough today, and where all gutted but we all got to stick together now and get back to winning ways

[Deep Purple]

Originally Posted by Pee

cool. so you're the Ultimate Fan. it still doesn't give you the right to lecture others on what they can and can't say after a game. there isn't one single way of supporting a club, and being critical doesn't mean you're any less a supporter than someone who insists on seeing only the positives in everything. this holier-than-thou schtick is annoying.

I don't mind that we both have a different point of view, and I certainly don't mind debating those points of view with you, but what I'm not going to respond to any longer is constantly being challenged for having a view you don't agree with.

I'm sick of you continually saying you are no longer going to respond to me too, and then having another pop.

We do have a different view, and as you continually challenge me, I am allowed to challenge you. This is a forum!

I do get cheesed off when we play badly, and clearly we do at times, but I dont believe in slagging everyone off when that happens.

I suppose it is the modern way though for some, and some club fans react the way England fans do all the time. If we win, we're brilliant, if we lose, we're rubbish. Sack the manager.

There is no interest in finding the balance, and looking at the overall picture.

[soulboy77]

On the bright side with Chelsea only drawing (despite the match officials once again helping them) we are still in fourth. We simply need a massive reaction from the players to that poor performance in the next PL game, that we can then carry on for the rest of the season.

[shelleyj89]

I had a really bad dream that we lost at home to Norwich? Someone tell me it was just a dream?!

I still maintain it's all about the afro.

[Pee]

Originally Posted by Deep Purple

I'm sick of you continually saying you are no longer going to respond to me too, and then having another pop.

We do have a different view, and as you continually challenge me, I am allowed to challenge you. This is a forum!

I do get cheesed off when we play badly, and clearly we do at times, but I dont believe in slagging everyone off when that happens.

I suppose it is the modern way though for some, and some club fans react the way England fans do all the time. If we win, we're brilliant, if we lose, we're rubbish. Sack the manager.

There is no interest in finding the balance, and looking at the overall picture.

I may debate your point of view with you (you're right, it is a forum), but I don't try to tell you what you should and shouldn't be saying. there's a difference. your response my comment on the match yesterday was just unnecessary, especially as you hadn't even seen it.

I don't slag everyone off when we lose, but I do make criticisms when I feel we make the same old avoidable mistakes. it's not like I'm being wise after the event a lot of the time either. yesterday for instance, I said it was going to come down to desire, and it did. I also had my doubts when I saw we'd switched back to 4-4-2, and those were proven correct also. this is not to prove I know better than anyone else, but it just seemed glaringly obvious at the time.

and there you go again with your morally superior "I'm a better fan" rhetoric.

[JasonWatkins]

Originally Posted by soulboy77

On the bright side with Chelsea only drawing (despite the match officials once again helping them) we are still in fourth. We simply need a massive reaction from the players to that poor performance in the next PL game, that we can then carry on for the rest of the season.

Indeed. If we get a bit of luck on Sunday or turn in a performance that gets us to the final, that might be the kick up the arse we need.

[shelleyj89]

Originally Posted by JasonWatkins

Indeed. If we get a bit of luck on Sunday or turn in a performance that gets us to the final, that might be the kick up the arse we need.

Yep. It's actually the best thing for us I reckon. It's not a league game, so if we lose, it's not the worst thing in the world. It's at Wembley, and hopefully we can use it to just have a real go and put yesterday behind us.

[Deep Purple]

Real Madrid have let a big lead in La Liga slip the last few weeks. Maybe Mourinho is rubbish, and should be sacked!

[Deep Purple]

Originally Posted by shelleyj89

Yep. It's actually the best thing for us I reckon. It's not a league game, so if we lose, it's not the worst thing in the world. It's at Wembley, and hopefully we can use it to just have a real go and put yesterday behind us.

I dont think Chelsea are playing much better than they were. The old guard have been brought back in, and they have had some serious luck.

I'm quite confident about the Semis, if we can have as near our first choice team as possible available.

[shelleyj89]

Originally Posted by Deep Purple

I dont think Chelsea are playing much better than they were. The old guard have been brought back in, and they have had some serious luck.

I'm quite confident about the Semis, if we can have as near our first choice team as possible available.

I agree. They were poor yesterday. Had they not got that penalty (still completely baffled by Clattenburg's theory on that!) I think Fulham may have gone on to win quite comfortably. In reality they shouldn't have got anything from the two Easter games.