I find her really hard to watch to be honest, I know its her character and not her acting ability as such but she is spoiling this show for me somewhat, I just find her character too much sometimes and wish they hadn't made her with an illness.

I just had to type it into youtube and realised that it was released as a teaser by Showtime before this season started on TV and we know that Brody is a congressman.

I first thought it might be a leaked clip as for an hour or 2 we are up to speed with the US.

That was unexpected, I didn't expect Brody to be revealed as a traitor until at least the end of the series or even the series after that, did the original Israeli series do this?

I don't know how faithfully they're following the original.

Saul persuaded Estes to let Brody continue on mission. Instead of pulling him in straight away. Saul found the video so he can't be involved with Abu Nazir. Can he? I'm still suspecting everyone on here. Excepting Carrie that is.

Dana sounded like she had a cold in some scenes. She really stuck it to the Veep. Gentleman's Cs don't cut it any more. Ouch!!!

Great to see Virgil and Max are back. Max believed Carrie all along. Nobody asked him though

Lauder worked Brody and Walker out. But Brody's cover has been blown anyway. So how will that work out now? Lauder and Mike go after Walker's killer?

I wonder if all the Dana/Veep's son romance has a central role to the story. I find Dana interesting in her own right. But I can see where she may become central to the CIA turning Brody. He doesn't like innocents being deliberately targeted - Isa was it?

Loved the Motel scenes with B&C. Brody must be under immense pressure be plays it pretty cool. He knew how to get under Carrie's skin and drop her guard - ECT treatment. And she blew it.

She really did love Brody and he broke her heart. Does he go into police custody now?. He was arrested by police. Or as a terrorist can they use extraordinary measures on him. I definitely didn't expect Brody being bagged and tagged this quickly and this early in the season.

Hatufim has a different plot. Homeland is not a remake. It's loosely based on the Israeli show. Haven't seen any of Season 2 of Hatufim though. It's showing on Israeli TV at the moment.

That's what I fear. I think one or both of them may have a pivotal role in the storyline (unfortunately). I hope it's not going to be a kidnap storyline.

I wasn't sure what happened at the end. Once Saul and the other guy told Carrie to get out, did they really mean it? When she went up to Brody's room at the end was she basically ad-libbing and doing what she thought was right rather than what was part of the CIA plan? That's what I had thought but then when the agents burst in and arrested Brody I was confused...was the plan to arrest him all along or had Carrie forced their hands?

I don't think they'd be going down the Dana love-scenario without it being important to the plot. It seems like such a weak story to be just a filler. I may be eating my words!

They haven't followed the original Israeli series at all!
That is very much slower and more subtle. I was intrigued with it at first but it never seemed to go anywhere so gave up on it.
I think as Brody has been outed so early on in s2, there must be many more clever twists and turns!

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but last night it clicked for me where I'd seen Nazir's lady 'go-between' before - she was in Lost.

Carrie forced their hands, she thought she'd been caught, they [Saul & Peter] told her she hadn't. She didn't believe them, so she went up to confront him, at which point he goes morbid and the CIA arrest him.

Loved the bit when they put the black bag on his head.

And you can just imagine it going almost completely un-noticed when he's marched through the hotel lobby.

"Oh look, they've arrested another terrorist. Let's go for dinner."

Obviously the black bag was to avoid it becoming public that this national hero had been just been arrested by people who quite clearly are higher than police.

But, and it's a fairly big "but", even though the CIA were watching the CCTV, surely the hotel itself would still be monitoring the feeds? And even if no-one was watching and the tapes disappear, won't the broken door and his disappearance without paying raise suspicions?

I watched through season 1 over the last couple of weeks and am now up to date! I'm guessing this has been discussed but how the heck did a copy (I can't the original?!) of Brody's suicide note get to Beirut? When it happened I was thinking "the show has jumped the shark"...and although still great that is at back of my mind...

I was actually a bit confused by the end.

Carrie said to Saul (after the bar conversation) that Brody had guessed she/the CIA were on to him and he would therefore warn his contacts.

But wasn't that the intention of the whole set-up anyway? The CIA had Carrie "accidently" bump into to him at Langley precisely to make him suspicious, in the hope that he would warn his contacts.

So I don't understand why (after the bar conversion) Carrie wanted the CIA to take immediate action instead of continuing to monitor him.

Also, why did Carrie think, from the ECT conversation, that Brody had guessed?

@solare: They wanted Brody to suspect rather than know that she and the CIA are onto him i.e. to make him jittery rather than go completely defensive and stop communicating with his contact.

Oh, I see. Thanks varsas.

He left the suicide tape at the park for a contact to pick up. He later went back to retrieve it, but it was already gone (and presumably on its way to Beirut).



They wanted to raise his suspicions so he would lead them to his contacts. But Carrie thought he had 'made her' and so instead of leading them to his contacts he would warn them to stay away "he'll leave a glass in the window or something".

As for why Carrie thought she had blown her cover, I am not entirely sure either but I don't mind that we don't get inside their minds too much to know everything. Saying that, I think she felt that letting her anger show revealed to Brody that all the "Oh, it's OK, you did the right thing, I was crazy" talk, was nothing but a ruse to get close to him again.

And I think she was right about Brody 'making' her. That or he thought she was still too dangerously crazy to get close to again

Yeah I know about the first part but I'm querying the logic of the coincidence of it appearing again in a Hamas leader's bag in Beirut?! Why would he have it? Why not an agent of Nazir? I'm relatively okay with the luck of finding some evidence in the bag but Brody's actual memory card?

Of course...I'd forgotten about that in the last series.

The only thing that stuck in my mind was Carrie realising that Brody knew Nazir's son, just before she was given the first batch of ECT.

Because the Hamas leader was in cahoots with Nazir. I don't think there is anything odd about him having a copy* of the tape.

*Or indeed the original memorycard, if that is what it was. Generally, the viewers have not been let in on the machinations of Nazir's operations or network, so I wouldn't assume anything is a 'coincidence', just because we see little of that side of things.

There might be something in this. I'm starting to think that Brodie was set up by Nazir.

Walker shoots Gaines, making everyone think that Walden was the target, or at least that driving everyone into the bunker to be blown up was the point. Brodie's vest was set up to not blow up, with the expectation that he'd be caught. (Him potentially fixing it either being overlooked or seen as a nice "second prize"). Thus leaving Walden or whomever (Estes?) with a free reign to manage stuff for Nazir, as they could always point to having been targeted by a captured terrorist. Brody was not meant to survive free either way, hence Walden now keeping a close eye on him.

This would also explain why they would risk exposing Brody by having him move the tailor.

It's my theory as to why they can have Brody arrested now. The 'real' bad guy is still out there.

Walker and Lauder have a part to play in showing Brody's "innocence"....

or maybe they're just making it up as they go, a la Lost

How long can they keep up this breakneck pace....loving it!

I was very annoyed in S1 that the story seemed to go from one thing in the first half, to being something altogether different in the second half of the series. I suspect changes were made based on having a second series commissioned/actors being available to commit or not etc. It all seemed pretty ham-fisted and I almost gave up on Homeland because of it.

I'm sure changes will still happen in future (I imagine some are pretty unavoidable), but so far it hasn't seemed markedly obviously this season, which I would hope is pretty much all sketched out as far as the main storyline goes.

I don't dismiss EE39's theory of Walden working with Nazir either (it's very interesting, in an 'obvious baddie as a double bluff' way), but it is hard to forget he was the man responsible for Issa's death. That would probably mean Nazir played a part in the planning of the school-children's deaths and was prepared to sacrifice his own son in order to turn Brody/gain sympathy for his cause. Not entirely implausible, but stretching it a bit?

Yes, that's what I meant.

thank you for clearing that out. It got me really confused because it was the first time I came across and could not tell whene it was aired