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Homeland on Ch4 (UK Pace) - No Spoilers!
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MoreTears
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by Jimmy_McNulty:
“I don't really understand C4s 'hero or villain' twitter ploy. Unless the flashbacks are completely false, it's pretty obvious he's a villain isn't it? ”

And yet, plenty of people are voting "hero," or "friend" rather than "foe." Not the majority, mind.
Stansfield
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by MrSuper:
“Has anyone seen that show Life Damian Lewis was in years ago? I believe it only lasted 2 seasons and was axed but heard Damian Lewis was pretty good in that also. Was the show any good?”

Highly recommend....and not just for Damian... Sarah Shahi is very good.
cooperone
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by MoreTears:
“I disagree, and I think you are the first person to say that (that I have seen anyway). Damian Lewis keeps getting roles playing Americans (this is his third one now) because his American accent is perfect. And that is three jobs in AMERICAN productions, intended for American audiences, so it is not like he is being hired by Brits who can't detect a bad American accent when they hear it.”

Sorry should have added IMO
blue34
27-02-2012
I'm really enjoying this so far, I hope it doesn't go downhill!
catsitter
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by MoreTears:
“Ah, I see. The source of my confusion is that in your earlier post the ONLY thing you quoted from that other person was a bit saying he/she wished the "main character" was Jack Bauer, without specifying Brody or Carrie. Honestly, it never occurred to me that anybody would think Brody is the main character. I have always seen the main character as Carrie. At most, I will grant that the two characters are equally important.”

That was because the first time, I just quoted their most recent post rather than trawl back through the thread looking for their previous one, sorry. I would say they are both main characters.

Originally Posted by Stansfield:
“Highly recommend....and not just for Damian... Sarah Shahi is very good.”

I would definitely recommend "Life" too, but probably not a good idea to start watching it in between episodes of Homeland!
Ads
27-02-2012
I am getting a little bored of people who have seen the whole season posting how things get more ridiculous, more exciting etc as the series goes on. If you have seen the whole season by all means come and discuss the latest episode shown on channel 4, but stop mentioning future episodes.
CJClarke
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by Ads:
“I am getting a little bored of people who have seen the whole season posting how things get more ridiculous, more exciting etc as the series goes on. If you have seen the whole season by all means come and discuss the latest episode shown on channel 4, but stop mentioning future episodes.”

Ignore them. It's consistently entertaining and gripping, and that's all that matters in my opinion (people seem to be making out that it goes all OTT like 24, and it really, really doesn't...).
penelopesimpson
27-02-2012
I'm loving it but then I adore Damien Lewis and think his performance is so much more multi-layered than Claire Danes who is just permanently on the verge of hysteria. I do wish they had nailed some of the silly bits, though. Any soldier coming home from such an experience would be in counselling and de-briefing for months, not just left to get on with things. And when he came home, they were able to bug his house because apparently there wasn't a single televison camera there - ridiculous. But still about the best thing on at the moment
JeffG1
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by MoreTears:
“I disagree, and I think you are the first person to say that (that I have seen anyway). Damian Lewis keeps getting roles playing Americans (this is his third one now) because his American accent is perfect. And that is three jobs in AMERICAN productions, intended for American audiences, so it is not like he is being hired by Brits who can't detect a bad American accent when they hear it.”

Huh? What do you define as an American accent? Come to that, what do you define as a British accent? Someone who talks like they come from Devon or Newcastle-on-Tyne?
MoreTears
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by penelopesimpson:
“Any soldier coming home from such an experience would be in counselling and de-briefing for months, not just left to get on with things.”

I see a lot of Brits making this comment, or something similar. And you know what else I see other Brits saying? That the show is DRAGGING as it is. So what do people want? Sure, we could have spent six episodes with Brody being counselled and closely monitored in a controlled environment, but that is not a show anybody wants to see, even the people making the complaint you make, I suspect. A dramatist is perfectly entitled to play around with time or abridge real-world procedures for the sake of getting on with the story he wants to tell and that he presumes the audience has signed on to watch.

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“ And when he came home, they were able to bug his house because apparently there wasn't a single televison camera there - ridiculous.”

I don't even understand this comment. I am left scratching my head.
Residents Fan
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by penelopesimpson:
“I'm loving it but then I adore Damien Lewis and think his performance is so much more multi-layered than Claire Danes who is just permanently on the verge of hysteria. I do wish they had nailed some of the silly bits, though. Any soldier coming home from such an experience would be in counselling and de-briefing for months, not just left to get on with things. And when he came home, they were able to bug his house because apparently there wasn't a single televison camera there - ridiculous. But still about the best thing on at the moment”

I hadn't thought about that aspect- if they don't show
Brody having any counselling in future episodes it
will look implausible, especailly since his wife knows he's
not in the best of mental health.
MoreTears
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by JeffG1:
“Huh? What do you define as an American accent? Come to that, what do you define as a British accent? Someone who talks like they come from Devon or Newcastle-on-Tyne?”

I take your point that neither America nor the UK has a single national accent. But within the parameters of the current discussion, let's say that it is possible for an actor to ATTEMPT to do an accent that is foreign to him and he ends up sounding like no person he is trying to emulate actually sounds. Lewis DOES sound American. Not like every American, as some Americans have regional accents, but like the Americans one sees on US TV with "generic American" accents.
MrSuper
27-02-2012
I wish people would enjoy the programme instead of just moaning all the time. Thank god there's something decent to watch on tv is all i can say because if it wasn't for Homeland and True Blood my Sunday night would be extremely boring!
Steve35
27-02-2012
I don't think it's THAT good and it's boring to be honest.
agneepath
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by G926:
“I am loving Mandy Patinkin in this. Chicago Hope is one of my all time favourites and he was awesome in that.”

snap- ready for chicago hope season 1 dvd next week!
Moll Flanders
27-02-2012
I liked Chicago Hope, too, and Mandy Patinkin, but please, for the love of God, don't let him start singing in this one. Anyone who's heard him singing will know what I mean. (Although he actually does concerts; it defies all explanation.)
tv-ooh
27-02-2012
I'm enjoying this so far - it feels quite tense and I like Brody for some reason - must be that vicious neck prod move perhaps! I want him to find out about his wife and Mike too... Not sure what that says about me! But I'm looking forward to next week's episode - I think that 'asset' Lynne is doomed though, loved her first scene with the 'job interviews' but I don't think she'll last too long now .http://www.tv-ooh.com/2012/02/homela...trust-and.html
agneepath
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by Moll Flanders:
“I liked Chicago Hope, too, and Mandy Patinkin, but please, for the love of God, don't let him start singing in this one. Anyone who's heard him singing will know what I mean. (Although he actually does concerts; it defies all explanation.)”

i loved his singing on CH!
penelopesimpson
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by MoreTears:
“I see a lot of Brits making this comment, or something similar. And you know what else I see other Brits saying? That the show is DRAGGING as it is. So what do people want? Sure, we could have spent six episodes with Brody being counselled and closely monitored in a controlled environment, but that is not a show anybody wants to see, even the people making the complaint you make, I suspect. A dramatist is perfectly entitled to play around with time or abridge real-world procedures for the sake of getting on with the story he wants to tell and that he presumes the audience has signed on to watch.



I don't even understand this comment. I am left scratching my head.”

I can't have you scratching your head, so let me explain. Media hype in anticipation would be enormous and his house would have been staked out for days, not just the minute he arrived home. There is no way the electronics people could have got in undetected and then melted away thirty seconds before he arrived.
penelopesimpson
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by Residents Fan:
“I hadn't thought about that aspect- if they don't show
Brody having any counselling in future episodes it
will look implausible, especailly since his wife knows he's
not in the best of mental health.”

They would be monitoring him daily at first, and not just to get information from him, although that would be vital. Understandably, they would be concerned about his mental health. There's one bit where Clare Danes boss even outlines the behaviour they would expect from him and yet, according to the script, they give him no help at all. Weird
penelopesimpson
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by MoreTears:
“I see a lot of Brits making this comment, or something similar. And you know what else I see other Brits saying? That the show is DRAGGING as it is. So what do people want? Sure, we could have spent six episodes with Brody being counselled and closely monitored in a controlled environment, but that is not a show anybody wants to see, even the people making the complaint you make, I suspect. A dramatist is perfectly entitled to play around with time or abridge real-world procedures for the sake of getting on with the story he wants to tell and that he presumes the audience has signed on to watch.



I don't even understand this comment. I am left scratching my head.”

The reason lots of 'brits' as you put it are commenting is because its just being shown over here. And I made a point of saying how much I'm enjoying it, just making a little comment on accuracy which I would like to see improved. Okay with you - what is the colloquial word for Canadian?
EastEnder39
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by Steve35:
“I don't think it's THAT good and it's boring to be honest.”

Boring, as you serious? Each to their own I guess.

I absolutely love it.

This show is produced by the same guy that produced 24...Am I right? I swear I read that somewhere.

24 was this high-octaine, fast paced drama series. With Homeland, whilst it will also have similarities of becoming very intense & fast paced at times, it allows you to understand the psychological aspects of each individual character. It will also allow the viewer to be drawn into the behavioural emotions & the political aspects . The show is already very thought-provoking & as the story develops, it will be really interesting to understand why Brody has chosen the path he has. The ending of episode 2 was very poignant to me. Very interested to see how it unfolds. Great drama.
Matt D
27-02-2012
Howard Gordon and Alex Gansa. They both worked on 24, with Gordon later becoming the showrunner. Their big break probably came as a writing team on The X Files.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0330258/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0304536/
MoreTears
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by penelopesimpson:
“The reason lots of 'brits' as you put it are commenting is because its just being shown over here.”

Yes, I know the show just started in the UK on February 19. I have been very interested in reading British reaction to the show. But I thought I would note that there is an inconsistency in complaining about "dragging" and wanting the show to go through a stage that I think would have bogged the narrative down to the point of boring most of the audience (not that I am saying that it is the same people making both complaints).

And what it wrong with the word "Brits?" That seemed to rub you the wrong way. It isn't pejorative. It is just short for "Briton," and I have noted that even Brits use "Brits" most of the time, instead of using "Briton," possibly because when spoken it is easily confused with the place name "Britain." I have always thought the pejorative nick-name for a Brit -- or at least an Englishman -- is "Limey."

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“... what is the colloquial word for Canadian?”

"Canuck"
MoreTears
27-02-2012
Originally Posted by penelopesimpson:
“Media hype in anticipation would be enormous and his house would have been staked out for days, not just the minute he arrived home. There is no way the electronics people could have got in undetected and then melted away thirty seconds before he arrived.”

Thanks for clarifying that. I thought there were no media people around the house when they put in the equipment because there was a delay between the the US authorities -- and of course Carrie -- learning about Brody's rescue and the disclosure of that information to the public. It has been long enough since I saw the episode that my memory may not be accurate on that, but that is what I thought anyway.
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