With pizza? They're not 10. I wouldn't even suggest that to my kids. I blame the writers.
Jess lives a blinkered, sheltered life and Dana is more sympathetic towards her dad then her mother is.

Sorry, noiseboy. I just don't like Jesse.

Neither do I! Only interested in being a socialate... and sex , not neccesarily in that order .

I'm wondering where they're going with the daughter and senator's son storyline. Must be significant as we hardly see Brody's son.

[spoiler type prediction ahead]

When they were sat at the traffic lights it was just the sort of mundane scenario where something big happens in these types of show.I thought then that a hit against the Senator's son would be a likely retribution after what happened to the terrorist guy's son, and makes ironic sense if Brody's daughter gets caught up in it. That would really screw with Brody if he helped it happen.

But... that's just... I... *sigh* nevermind

Was he turned easily? Has he been turned at all? Sticking to his I didn't wear a vest story would get him nowhere with that video against him. Turned or not, taking the CIA way out was a no brainer.



Yep, brilliant scene to watch, and great to see a drama have the confidence in its two leads to play it out as they did.


I agree and the ambiguity around Brody that made series 1 is now back. Which way will Brody go? He's not safe either from retribution from Abu Nazir or his own Country's vengeance against a traitor. Caught between a rock and a hard place if ever there was one.

We're thankfully being drawn away from a (imo) dubious Brody as terrorist VP plot line and deliciously back to the world of Abu Nazir's terrorist network, CIA moles & Roya.

Who knows what sympathies we'll find yet for her? This series has been great at leading us into thinking one way about a character one ep before flipping our take on them the next. And it's great to know Aileen's story has to be revisited.

and the can of worms that is Prince Farid & his major domo, Latif Bin Walid surely also has to be re-opened?

The phone call warning Aileen to roll out the US flag was the biggee. And the warning they got to run....

And the timing of Lynne's murder, coincidence it happened just after she'd been acknowledged and identified as an asset in a CIA meeting??

In that meeting they were told of Lynne's intention to download the Prince's details. And when downloaded those details were clean and shortly after Lynne was a gonner.

She'll also have diplomatic immunity wouldn't she?


Very telling I hope, yes.


I think Carrie was definitely trying to play him. But Brody's not stupid and could have worked out the options himself - ie prison/death sentence/gitmo or CIA double agent and rat on Abu Nazir's terror cell. Brody's played her just as easily in the past.


I'm not, no. Him being turned was as easy a choice for Brody to make as they come in those circumstances. The difficult bit for him is going to be performing the balancing act to keep Abu Nazir and the CIA both happy. If he can't, either way it goes, his kids will pay the price for his mistakes.

I'm guessing Brody will find out all about it from Dana soon - poor girl will be traumatised - and it could be a handy bit of blackmail material for someone to use on Walden....


I thought the idea was to keep those in the know as a tight group but I've got my suspicions who the mole is now.


I've never been convinced she's fallen for him but I can understand the empathy she feels towards him and how she's vulnerable emotionally. She's definitely got a weird mix of hate and affection going on for Brody.

The scenes with them both in have always been electric, whatever their relationship. They do feed brilliantly off each other as actors.

Estes and Saul have ruled themselves out of being moley now for me - Estes was in the bunker himself and Saul's been upfront with the suicide vid.

I've got a growing feeling Virgil is the mole... He's off grid but is so close to Carrie and her big gob.

He's always Carrie's first choice go to surveillance man. He could have deliberately not bugged Brody's garage and not just run out of time/equipment to do it.

He was around spilling tea or whatever over Lynne which allowed Carrie to pass her the compact. But when she was passing that on, Virgil could have explained all about the plan to Farid's major domo, Latif Bin Walid.

So the CIA get no useful info from the Prince's phone while knowing Lynne has no back up, she gets dead.

Carrie asked him to get onto Raquim's trail quick smart before he and Aileen slipped away, he could have got word to them then, as well as with the flag phone call earlier...hmmm.

The only thing I'm struggling with the razor blade but that probably was Brody after all.

I wondered about Virgil too (or perhaps his brother Max) - but surely he would have informed Brody that he was under surveillence. When Brody eventually found out (from Carrie at the cabin) he seemed genuinely shocked.

Perhaps there isn't a mole in the CIA but rather someone linked to Nazir's organization is able to bug/monitor their communications. The CIA does seem to be rather relaxed regarding security.

I still don't trust Danny Galvez. He's the type of character you think isn't important enough to turn, but then you remember who created this show. I expect every episode to end back at the CIA, with Galvez in the shadows, on the phone to Nazir - or something

That said, however, he was in the car with Carrie when Aileen got the warning


Seems legit.

She's (Roya) a journalist; I don't see why that would give her diplomatic immunity?

That could be part of a plan to divert attention from something else going on or from someone else if they are using Brody as a screen.

I thought she explained her fondness for Brodie pretty well when she said something along the line of "it felt right". You've got to remember that Carrie is very troubled, her mental illness, her tendacy to go to bars for just sex etc. She's probably never felt personal connection with someone in that way, ever or for a long long time.

Now Brody has the CIA's 'trust', he's potentially in a better position if he's still going to be working for Nasir.

Not sure how he going to explain the knifewound though!?

Brody's never been the sharpest knife in the box has he ?He seems to bumble his way along from one crisis to the next..... how he's going to play this dual role out ....?

oh is she I thought she was tied to some Embassy or other - why did I think that?

As you were.

Perhaps he is best suited to stay in politics after all.

I always thought that it was Brody who passed on the razor blade

I would have thought that the CIA would have sent in a covert search squad under the guise of something else to do a search of Brody's house and look for the suicide vest, the moment he was arrested.

Brody left the vest in the toilette, they wont find it till next major emergency

I couldn't remember what happened to it- I thought he packed it away in the wardrobe at home

There would still be his prayer mat and Qur'an to find (bearing in mind he was denying his conversion to Islam)

I'm quite surprised to read how disliked Jess seems to be. She does have her selfish moments but she did have Brodie back as her husband at a time when she could easily have said 'You've been gone years, and i've moved on.' I get the impression she is really trying to understand him and make their marriage work. i find her quite a sympathetic character as I couldn't put up with Brodie's (from her POV) odd behaviour myself! The actress playing her has also been consistently good but consistently overlooked. She was fantastic in the scene with The Qu'ran the other week.

It was a great scene, no complaints about the actress there. It didn't put the character in such a good light though...but I explained the reasons for my feelings about Jess a page or two ago, mustn't go on

It is quite ironic that the damaged characters who aren't so perfect and sometimes downright dangerous are the ones who get our empathy. But that's the crux of the show isn't it? If you can't find sympathy for Brody and/or Carrie it just wouldn't work; he'd be a regular bad guy and she'd be a total fruitcase. Not liking Jess the character doesn't really hurt in the greater scheme of things.

@Denby. Gosh, you have great memory - I'm in awe.

I have empathised with all the characters and their positions at some point, even Estes! It's what makes the show work, I agree. That said, my sympathy for Brodie and his plight has ebbed away a little since he snapped that bloke's neck!

Ha, I hated that episode so much I have erased it from my mind, which is probably why I relate it less to Brody and more to "who the hell decided that would be a good idea??". It was venturing into Desperate Housewives territory in its silliness. So much so I still can't believe they allowed the simultaneous neck twist, chat to wife on phone to be aired. It certainly took multi-tasking to the next level